why no PSIJIC skill scrolls for hearts week ???

heimdall14_9 · February 13

we get scrolls for every other guild but this one why is that????? and is it good , PSIJIC comes from summerset DLC that is old enough to give out scrolls for them doing it on their 6th or 9th character

mattaeus01b16_ESO · February 13

Mmmm, because they are quest driven? I guess.

heimdall14_9 · February 13

mattaeus01b16_ESO wrote: »

Mmmm, because they are quest driven? I guess.

quest players has asked for change to for years due to how drawn-out and unfun they are to do

DenverRalphy · February 13

The Psijic skill line isn't Reputation based like fighters, mages, thieves guilds. There's no mechanic to advance the skill line. It just unlocks in stages.

Citations would simply allow a player to instantly skip the entire process.

heimdall14_9 · February 13

DenverRalphy wrote: »

The Psijic skill line isn't Reputation based like fighters, mages, thieves guilds. There's no mechanic to advance the skill line. It just unlocks in stages.

Citations would simply allow a player to instantly skip the entire process.

not the whole as youd have to get the 1st quest yourself to start the guild just like the rest of them and if you want you can get fighters 100% without doing but 1st starting quest mage too now with all the new ways to gain , i dont see anything wrong for the players to be able to jump stages of PSIJIC skill line as its the only guild to have this limitation locked behind a very badly made quest story and way to drawn out

virtus753 · February 13

heimdall14_9 wrote: »

we get scrolls for every other guild but this one why is that????? and is it good , PSIJIC comes from summerset DLC that is old enough to give out scrolls for them doing it on their 6th or 9th character

Am I correct that the citations currently being given are only for Fighters, Mages, Undaunted, Dark Brotherhood, and Thieves Guild?

If so, these are all either base game or will be base game in the next month.

Psijic is old, yes, but it’s not slated to become base game yet. Greymoor will do so before that, though I haven’t seen an Antiquities citation yet.

valenwood_vegan · February 13

As folks have explained, Psijic works differently than the other "guild" type skill lines (it advances in stages from completing a one-time quest chain only; there are not repeatable quests or mechanics to slowly gain "psijic reputation"; and iirc it requires progressing the Summerset main quest a little bit before it can be unlocked) so it would likely require some additional programming or larger changes to create a citation for Psijic.

So that may be why it wasn't included in this event.

It's also not base game, so there might be complaints about an event rewarding a DLC item or some other issue around that.

Maybe that's something they'll revisit in the future, it's for sure an annoying skill line to grind.

Erickson9610 · February 13

I think it would be cool if Companions could get the Psijic Order skill line, and have daily quests to do with that guild to progress it. Then we could have Companion Citations for the Psijic Order, even if we don't get those citations for ourselves.

tomofhyrule · February 13

Erickson9610 wrote: »

I think it would be cool if Companions could get the Psijic Order skill line, and have daily quests to do with that guild to progress it. Then we could have Companion Citations for the Psijic Order, even if we don't get those citations for ourselves.

The Psijic (and Vampire) lines would be interesting “extra lines” the way Tanlorin’s Soul Magic was if they made new Companions in the future and didn’t want to fully replicate an entire Class.

As much as I’m begging for it, I doubt we’d get two new Classes at once, so the next crop of Companions would probably duplicate some in some way. I could really see them making the murderhobo everyone’s asking for using something like two NB lines and the Vampire, or maybe another Sorc who pulls out the Psijic line for one of theirs.

But with Bahtra’s Subclassing dialogue naming them specifically, it definitely makes me think that any potential new Class would likely release with a matching Companion.

Erickson9610 · February 13

tomofhyrule wrote: »

Erickson9610 wrote: »

I think it would be cool if Companions could get the Psijic Order skill line, and have daily quests to do with that guild to progress it. Then we could have Companion Citations for the Psijic Order, even if we don't get those citations for ourselves.

The Psijic (and Vampire) lines would be interesting “extra lines” the way Tanlorin’s Soul Magic was if they made new Companions in the future and didn’t want to fully replicate an entire Class.

As much as I’m begging for it, I doubt we’d get two new Classes at once, so the next crop of Companions would probably duplicate some in some way. I could really see them making the murderhobo everyone’s asking for using something like two NB lines and the Vampire, or maybe another Sorc who pulls out the Psijic line for one of theirs.

But with Bahtra’s Subclassing dialogue naming them specifically, it definitely makes me think that any potential new Class would likely release with a matching Companion.

I personally really dislike how Tanlorin treats Soul Magic as a Class skill line. I do think there's enough variety in the Player Class lines (especially as we see new effects from the Class Refresh efforts) to make different flavors of each Class, without needing to make future Companions borrow skill lines from other places — and that includes Companions "Subclassing" with other Class lines.

Remember that Tanlorin and Bastian have different skills in the two Dragonknight skill lines they do have in common, making them different kinds of Dragonknights even when built for the same role.

I agree on the "new class = new companion" sentiment, though. That's what happened with Arcanist and Azandar, when we all thought we were getting a Warden and a Necromancer that year.

I like the ideas of having a Nightblade Vampire and a Sorcerer (or Arcanist) Psijic Order member be Companions in the future. I just want these non-Class skill lines to be additional to their Class, rather than replace one of their Class skill lines. There are other categories for skill lines for this reason.

And, of course, I really want a Werewolf Companion. It just wouldn't work to have Werewolf replace their damage dealer line, so there's got to be another way to implement that. I'd rather not have to wait until Level 20 to let them transform, either.

heimdall14_9 · February 13

virtus753 wrote: »

heimdall14_9 wrote: »

we get scrolls for every other guild but this one why is that????? and is it good , PSIJIC comes from summerset DLC that is old enough to give out scrolls for them doing it on their 6th or 9th character

Am I correct that the citations currently being given are only for Fighters, Mages, Undaunted, Dark Brotherhood, and Thieves Guild?

If so, these are all either base game or will be base game in the next month.

Psijic is old, yes, but it’s not slated to become base game yet. Greymoor will do so before that, though I haven’t seen an Antiquities citation yet.

summerset came out 2 years before Greymoor, has an crafting skill ( jewelry) and a guild ( PSIJIC ) so please explain how it should become base game before sumerset does when all greymoor has is (Antiquities)

virtus753 · February 13

heimdall14_9 wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

heimdall14_9 wrote: »

we get scrolls for every other guild but this one why is that????? and is it good , PSIJIC comes from summerset DLC that is old enough to give out scrolls for them doing it on their 6th or 9th character

Am I correct that the citations currently being given are only for Fighters, Mages, Undaunted, Dark Brotherhood, and Thieves Guild?

If so, these are all either base game or will be base game in the next month.

Psijic is old, yes, but it’s not slated to become base game yet. Greymoor will do so before that, though I haven’t seen an Antiquities citation yet.

summerset came out 2 years before Greymoor, has an crafting skill ( jewelry) and a guild ( PSIJIC ) so please explain how it should become base game before sumerset does when all greymoor has is (Antiquities)

That's a question for ZOS. Whether or not it should be, it will be:

heimdall14_9 · February 13

virtus753 wrote: »

heimdall14_9 wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

heimdall14_9 wrote: »

we get scrolls for every other guild but this one why is that????? and is it good , PSIJIC comes from summerset DLC that is old enough to give out scrolls for them doing it on their 6th or 9th character

Am I correct that the citations currently being given are only for Fighters, Mages, Undaunted, Dark Brotherhood, and Thieves Guild?

If so, these are all either base game or will be base game in the next month.

Psijic is old, yes, but it’s not slated to become base game yet. Greymoor will do so before that, though I haven’t seen an Antiquities citation yet.

summerset came out 2 years before Greymoor, has an crafting skill ( jewelry) and a guild ( PSIJIC ) so please explain how it should become base game before sumerset does when all greymoor has is (Antiquities)

That's a question for ZOS. Whether or not it should be, it will be:

i guess it having jewelry crafting it keeps its value in the store lol 😂

virtus753 · February 13

heimdall14_9 wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

heimdall14_9 wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

heimdall14_9 wrote: »

we get scrolls for every other guild but this one why is that????? and is it good , PSIJIC comes from summerset DLC that is old enough to give out scrolls for them doing it on their 6th or 9th character

Am I correct that the citations currently being given are only for Fighters, Mages, Undaunted, Dark Brotherhood, and Thieves Guild?

If so, these are all either base game or will be base game in the next month.

Psijic is old, yes, but it’s not slated to become base game yet. Greymoor will do so before that, though I haven’t seen an Antiquities citation yet.

summerset came out 2 years before Greymoor, has an crafting skill ( jewelry) and a guild ( PSIJIC ) so please explain how it should become base game before sumerset does when all greymoor has is (Antiquities)

That's a question for ZOS. Whether or not it should be, it will be:

i guess it having jewelry crafting it keeps its value in the store lol 😂

Possibly! Although jewelry can be crafted and given to other players, so antiquities is actually the more important IME. Others can’t craft antiquities and give them to you. Perhaps Greymoor was chosen because it offers more accessibility?

heimdall14_9 · February 13

virtus753 wrote: »

heimdall14_9 wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

heimdall14_9 wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

heimdall14_9 wrote: »

we get scrolls for every other guild but this one why is that????? and is it good , PSIJIC comes from summerset DLC that is old enough to give out scrolls for them doing it on their 6th or 9th character

Am I correct that the citations currently being given are only for Fighters, Mages, Undaunted, Dark Brotherhood, and Thieves Guild?

If so, these are all either base game or will be base game in the next month.

Psijic is old, yes, but it’s not slated to become base game yet. Greymoor will do so before that, though I haven’t seen an Antiquities citation yet.

summerset came out 2 years before Greymoor, has an crafting skill ( jewelry) and a guild ( PSIJIC ) so please explain how it should become base game before sumerset does when all greymoor has is (Antiquities)

That's a question for ZOS. Whether or not it should be, it will be:

i guess it having jewelry crafting it keeps its value in the store lol 😂

Possibly! Although jewelry can be crafted and given to other players, so antiquities is actually the more important IME. Others can’t craft antiquities and give them to you. Perhaps Greymoor was chosen because it offers more accessibility?

crafting sets aint all that good and to re craft jewelry you have to know traits ( have to own summerset ) jewelry crafting holds players back more then antiquities do tbh