The Dancing Personality is the worst

SilverBride · February 1

Enemoriana wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Things in constant motion, like the Sorcerer's flappy pet and now this dance personality constantly moving when idling, can cause real problems for those with motion sickness, etc..

Yet again, where is the line? How would you differ what animations in game can cause it and what can't? And not only for you, but for large amounts of players? And how would you switch them off? Personality can be hidden (all personalities switched off with one toggle, of course), but twilight - no, as they are important part of combat. Somebody jumping around you or constantly using skills/emotes/memento - also no, and that can be much worse than dancer.

That would be up to ZOS to decide.

SummersetCitizen · February 1

SilverBride wrote: »

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Why should we be forced to give attention to anyone else just because it is what they are seeking? What about our experience being ruined by feeling like we are playing in a cartoon instead of a dangerous world where we are the heroes?

And how would it devalue anything if the player with the effect enjoys it for themselves? That is who they should be purchasing things for. They also would have no idea if other players toggled off the effects or not.

The game requires money to continue development.

Your choices are basically: tolerate others' cosmetic choices or have like a WoW-style monthly subscription fee.

I pay a monthly fee by subscribing.

So do I but it isn't mandatory for everyone and it isn't as high as WoW.

The bottom line is that players should not be denied a way to toggle off things that they find annoying and immersion breaking just because other players want to show them off.

Strongly disagree.

It is a shared digital world and there are compromises.

This is not a single player game.

SilverBride · February 1

Desiato wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

The bottom line is that players should not be denied a way to toggle off things that they find annoying and immersion breaking just because other players want to show them off.

Yes, of course they should be denied a toggle for every single thing someone might find annoying! It's simply not feasible.

When I find something this annoying, I know it's time to look within and find something new to do with my time. And I've been there a lot with ESO in the past.

What works for some doesn't work for all. And I stand by my statement that we should not be denied a way to toggle off things we find annoying and immersion breaking just because other players want to show them off.

All we can do is give our feedback and hope they will find a way to make it more enjoyable for everyone.

SilverBride · February 1

SummersetCitizen wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

The bottom line is that players should not be denied a way to toggle off things that they find annoying and immersion breaking just because other players want to show them off.

Strongly disagree.

It is a shared digital world and there are compromises.

This is not a single player game.

And one of those compromises would be to not force players to have their experience disrupted for the preference of others. So let's just agree to disagree and leave it at that.

Enemoriana · February 1

SilverBride wrote: »

Enemoriana wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Things in constant motion, like the Sorcerer's flappy pet and now this dance personality constantly moving when idling, can cause real problems for those with motion sickness, etc..

Yet again, where is the line? How would you differ what animations in game can cause it and what can't? And not only for you, but for large amounts of players? And how would you switch them off? Personality can be hidden (all personalities switched off with one toggle, of course), but twilight - no, as they are important part of combat. Somebody jumping around you or constantly using skills/emotes/memento - also no, and that can be much worse than dancer.

That would be up to ZOS to decide.

How do you imagine this?
Now it sounds like "I want magical button that hides all things I don't like". It doesn't work so. Any toggle have to get strict rule "this counts, that no". How would you make global and clear rule for it?

valenwood_vegan · February 1

Enemoriana wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Enemoriana wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Things in constant motion, like the Sorcerer's flappy pet and now this dance personality constantly moving when idling, can cause real problems for those with motion sickness, etc..

Yet again, where is the line? How would you differ what animations in game can cause it and what can't? And not only for you, but for large amounts of players? And how would you switch them off? Personality can be hidden (all personalities switched off with one toggle, of course), but twilight - no, as they are important part of combat. Somebody jumping around you or constantly using skills/emotes/memento - also no, and that can be much worse than dancer.

That would be up to ZOS to decide.

How do you imagine this?
Now it sounds like "I want magical button that hides all things I don't like". It doesn't work so. Any toggle have to get strict rule "this counts, that no". How would you make global and clear rule for it?

Seems pretty easy - we could have a menu that lists every animation, outfit, effect, cosmetic, etc., in the game and each one could be turned on or off individually. I'm sure they could throw this together before u49 goes live.

SilverBride · February 1

Enemoriana wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Enemoriana wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Things in constant motion, like the Sorcerer's flappy pet and now this dance personality constantly moving when idling, can cause real problems for those with motion sickness, etc..

Yet again, where is the line? How would you differ what animations in game can cause it and what can't? And not only for you, but for large amounts of players? And how would you switch them off? Personality can be hidden (all personalities switched off with one toggle, of course), but twilight - no, as they are important part of combat. Somebody jumping around you or constantly using skills/emotes/memento - also no, and that can be much worse than dancer.

That would be up to ZOS to decide.

How do you imagine this?
Now it sounds like "I want magical button that hides all things I don't like". It doesn't work so. Any toggle have to get strict rule "this counts, that no". How would you make global and clear rule for it?

Let's just agree to disagree and leave it at that.

flyingparchment · February 2

Enemoriana wrote: »

Yet again, where is the line? How would you differ what animations in game can cause it and what can't? And not only for you, but for large amounts of players? And how would you switch them off?

just give us a way to turn off everything which isn’t in the base game. no crown store mounts, recalls, personalities, whatever. just the original animations set in the Elder Scrolls universe. that way both groups are happy.

Leighlaa · February 2

buahahha my husband uses dancer personality on his clowns (along with custom idle animations addon, adjusted to use only clown-related emotes) and entertains himself immensely. At first he didn't like it either, but then his clowns got dancy and there was no going back XD

Lucasl402 · February 2

SilverBride wrote: »

The Dancing Personality is the worst and I cringe every time I see it. It's bad enough that we have to deal with the constant flapping of the Sorcerer's and other flying pets in town but now we also have other players constantly swaying back and forth too. Please, I beg you, give us a toggle to not have to see other players effects.

Don't like the dancing personality?

Then don't use it.

No need to make a forum post about it and create fake drama.

You're expecting ZOS to give you the ability to dictate what others can and can't do....again.

Razmirra · February 2

I like it but the idle/resting anim is a little over the top. Love /dance and /dance2 though.

iyx · February 2

Blade and Soul has an option to hide other players (don't know if it's still there, because I haven't played it in a long time), and I think ESO could add this as well, mainly for performance reasons.
Of course, there should be a "show only party members" option.

ApoAlaia · February 2

Personally I don't find this personality 'irksome' (or the overwhelming majority of 'premium' cosmetic effects either; in fact I find combat effects, specially in 12 player content, a lot more difficult to deal with) in any way however just dropping my +1 here to give players a choice.

Please consider giving people a way to toggle cosmetic effects on and off.

I have to put my hand up, I don't know how much 'granularity' can be added to this 'toggle' system - from a technical perspective - but as much as is achievable.

I can't speak for everyone, I can only speak for myself, but I'd still continue purchasing these cosmetics even if other players had the choice to turn them off.

Inflicting them upon other players whether they like it or not is not a 'selling point' for me, quite the opposite in fact. There are cosmetics that I cannot in good conscience use because I know - from this forum, ESO related discords etc - that they have a detrimental effect on other people's experience.

UntilValhalla13 · February 2

I honestly think it's hilarious. I guess i need to put it on more characters. I'll pair it with the symphony of blades horse with 4 arms. XD

Enemoriana · February 2

flyingparchment wrote: »

Enemoriana wrote: »

Yet again, where is the line? How would you differ what animations in game can cause it and what can't? And not only for you, but for large amounts of players? And how would you switch them off?

just give us a way to turn off everything which isn’t in the base game. no crown store mounts, recalls, personalities, whatever. just the original animations set in the Elder Scrolls universe. that way both groups are happy.

What with crownstore (and even apex!) mounts that are in game in dlc zones? What with absolutely lore-friendly mounts like Tessellated Guar, even npc using it? Is was sold only for crowns. Or Green Narsis Guar, which is not used by npc, but only difference is slightly another texture? And one of the guars, don't remember name, will be sold for gold soon... how it is different from those crown guars?
What with personalities npc have? For example, Brassy assassin is, first of all, original animation of Naryu in Morrowind. Telvanni magister also is used by npc. Should they lose important part of their image? Or will be personalities divided by "there is npc wearing it, there not"? What if later npc with dancing personality will be added? (or maybe even there is somewhere?)

That's not so easy to separate crown things and "original" things, because many crown things are taken from npc, and many crown things appeared on npc later.

luc76985 · February 2

SilverBride wrote: »

The Dancing Personality is the worst and I cringe every time I see it. It's bad enough that we have to deal with the constant flapping of the Sorcerer's and other flying pets in town but now we also have other players constantly swaying back and forth too. Please, I beg you, give us a toggle to not have to see other players effects.

this is hilarious. can we just toggle off the other players while we are at it.

Shara_Wynn · February 2

Well I like it and have no issues with folks using it. I think it's fun to use at events etc.

It's certainly not as "in your face" as someone standing right at a popular NPC merchant or crafting station or quest giver and using their blinding recall, or jumping up and down incessantly while casting "sparkles" all over everyone, or duelling around Wayshrines.

To me, there are some really ugly animations, mounts, polymorphs, skins etc in the game, but if people have paid for them, or worked really hard to earn them in the game, then they have every right to use them. Each to their own and all that. Their "flashies" help to fund the game.

Love live the dancer personality!

It is certainly nowhere near on a par with the sorc flappy for annoyances.

luc76985 · February 2

UntilValhalla13 wrote: »

I honestly think it's hilarious. I guess i need to put it on more characters. I'll pair it with the symphony of blades horse with 4 arms. XD

for real it's the only one that I use.

SilverBride wrote: »

Every time I see it I wonder how it doesn't drive the player using it nuts.

This reminds me of a friend I had that used to always have 3 orbs spinning around his character. I finally had to tell him that he needed to turn that effect off if we were running a dungeon or other content together because I just couldn't take it any more. Turns out they were part of a healing set (he never healed group content, he just liked to heal players he ran into in delves) and he used them to help him see (they lit up the area around him) because he had installed an addon that made everything very dark, especially inside areas like dungeons. I asked why and he said he thought it would be cool. He ended up deleting the addon and was surprised how much better his game looked. I then helped him with a damage build and he enjoys combat a lot more now.

But it makes me wonder how others can play without being annoyed by their character constantly moving.

this reads like, you met another player who had a thing that he liked... until you convinced him not to like it.so many of you need to just let people like things. like, seriously, you don't like other people's emotes? armor sets? that is specifically a *you* problem, not a "them" problem. enjoy your toggle I guess.

AzuraFan · February 2

Enemoriana wrote: »

I understand people willing to switch off bright flashy things (and if one day such feachure would appear, I may use it), I can understand problem with twilight, because it blocks view, but personality? What's next? Costumes and outfits, as they can be colored bright and look stupid? Let use armor as it was... wait, there is that strange red color!
Oh, I know, I know! Give us feature to see everyone naked! Everybody will be happy. Iliac Bay Online, he-he.

I was agreeing with the OP that the dancer personality is cringeworthy. I don't support having a toggle to turn anything off. I know part of the appeal of cosmetics for some players is to express themselves to others, i.e. show off. I doubt very much there will ever be a toggle because that group of players wouldn't spend as much on cosmetics.

Having said that, since we all get to see the cosmetics and personalities and such, we all have the freedom to diss the ones we think suck. For me, the idle animation for the dancer personality looks horrible. I cringe every time I see it.

DragonRacer · February 2

AScarlato wrote: »

It's exceedingly goofy and distracting for the setting, outside specific RP situations. It's attention grabbing for all the wrong reasons but I guess that's why some people use it.

Sometimes less is more, and it's not just this personality. I could do without the random sobs from Melancholy and also the random noises like Angry and I think Heroic makes too. It's too much and they would have been better without them.

Yes! I love the various stances of Heroic, but the absolutely random shouts it comes with are super cringey.

ellmarie · February 2

I can't stand the dance either, or the bright flashing things. And it's not because I don't like color or flashiness, because I generally do. I just don't think some of the bright skins and those colors belong in this game. Just never thought to put Marvel looking futuristic tones in with TES lore. It's not about being boring, but it just doesn't look right.

Kallykat · February 2

I don't really understand why so many people here assume that anyone with a flashy mount or dancer personality is trying to "show off" or attract attention from others. Clearly different people just have different preferences and tastes.

I use the dancer personality on one of my characters because I think it fits her. It has nothing to do with other players. Some of my characters are more flashy, and some are very subtle. When I purchase or select an outfit, mount, or personality, I'm usually not even considering flashiness. If I'm wearing a flashy crown store item, it means I really like that item on that particular character. That's it.

SilverBride · February 2

luc76985 wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

This reminds me of a friend I had that used to always have 3 orbs spinning around his character. I finally had to tell him that he needed to turn that effect off if we were running a dungeon or other content together because I just couldn't take it any more. Turns out they were part of a healing set (he never healed group content, he just liked to heal players he ran into in delves) and he used them to help him see (they lit up the area around him) because he had installed an addon that made everything very dark, especially inside areas like dungeons. I asked why and he said he thought it would be cool. He ended up deleting the addon and was surprised how much better his game looked. I then helped him with a damage build and he enjoys combat a lot more now.

But it makes me wonder how others can play without being annoyed by their character constantly moving.

this reads like, you met another player who had a thing that he liked... until you convinced him not to like it.so many of you need to just let people like things. like, seriously, you don't like other people's emotes? armor sets? that is specifically a *you* problem, not a "them" problem. enjoy your toggle I guess.

First of all he wasn't a healer. And he didn't use the healing set with the orbs because he liked it. He used it because he installed an addon that made the world dark and needed them to see. He didn't use the addon that made the world dark because he wanted a dark world. He had a habit of looking through addons and installing ones he thought would be "cool", even if he didn't need their function. He also installed every lib file he could find even if none of his addons required them, and had no explanation why.

This friend struggled with everything, even base game delves because he didn't even have one full set, let alone two. I helped him farm gear and crafted him gear and helped him set up skill rotations and now he can actually play the game the way he had always wanted to.

But it got to a point during this that I just couldn't take these orbs spinning in my face any longer as I worked on getting him geared.

Ashryn · February 2

That dancer personality gives true meaning to the phrase, "Ants in your pants!"

karthrag_inak · February 2

khajiit was not too crazy about it before, but now....khajiit needs to aquire it and wear it asap. this one was not aware how popular it was!

Rohamad_Ali · February 2

karthrag_inak wrote: »

khajiit was not too crazy about it before, but now....khajiit needs to aquire it and wear it asap. this one was not aware how popular it was!

https://youtu.be/DFxYA3MDHPI?si=A0Qypl--JN1U1WSe

twisttop138 · February 2

Arunei wrote: »

The idle looks less like dancing and more like someone tweaking out imo. I wanted to get it until I saw the constant movement.

Yeah, it's called noodle grooving when tweakers do it and it's all I see when I look at this personality. A guy who's been awake for 6 days and will probably be in jail tomorrow.

AScarlato · February 2

DragonRacer wrote: »

AScarlato wrote: »

It's exceedingly goofy and distracting for the setting, outside specific RP situations. It's attention grabbing for all the wrong reasons but I guess that's why some people use it.

Sometimes less is more, and it's not just this personality. I could do without the random sobs from Melancholy and also the random noises like Angry and I think Heroic makes too. It's too much and they would have been better without them.

Yes! I love the various stances of Heroic, but the absolutely random shouts it comes with are super cringey.

I really wanted to use this on a couple of my characters, but the yelling ruined it. I wish I could turn it off, and that's for my own use let alone bothering others around me.

NotaDaedraWorshipper · February 2

I think most personalities are exaggerated and cringy, including the idle of the Dancer's. I still got it because of all the other things and I had seals to spare, but it's not a personality I use regularly, just for shorter times in RP, screenshots and such. Because I can't stand the idle. The idle looks pretty bad to me and cringy, but at most I roll my eyes and I don't consider it at the same level as all the exploding recalls, mounts and eyebleed causing skillstyles.

I do wish we got nicer and more subtle personalities. I'm tired of Minstrel, Deadlands Firewalker and Brassy Assassin being the only ones I can use for a prolonged time without their idles being annoying. No matter if that's random shouting, crying or laughing, constant dagger flicking, or awkward or just bad choice of idle emote. Like the Telvanni personality I think would do better with the other idles as the default instead of the constant thinking pose, would make it so much more useable to me.
Heroic, Angry and the like would be better without the noises. Then we have ones I just find outright bad like the Master of Schemes, I mean seriously what is up with that crossed arms pose?
Passion's Muse was one I was hopeful for, I really liked the idle with the yoga pose and grasped hands, they worked well for some of my characters. But I could be without the glowing flower summon, and I absolutely loathe the walk. Looks like you have daintily pooped yourself.

I just don't understand why so many personalities have to look so exaggerated, cartoony and bad. I just want nice, subtle and normal looking idles for my characters so they don't stand there stiffly like 🧍.

And when are we getting the Old personality so many npcs uses? Then if we do get it, please don't ruin it with random noises or annoying emotes.

Al_Ex_Andre · February 2

The dancing personality fits ESO pretty well...did you miss the memo with ESO? The game that gives you a special money by killing citizens?

I don't use it, will never buy it, but it's as insane as ESO currently is, so it's a good to go.