TCC Ancient Sandstone at time of posting PC NA

Mar 27 - 1683-2104 avg : 2,273 listings: 1,426 items : 71,881
Mar 28 1687-2109 avg : 2,262 listings: 1,554 items 72,346

A quick run thru several trade guild centres in major cities showed most sell offers above 2k, the very few under 2k tended to be for quantities of 1 or 2.

Looking forward to a ZOS response to the key questions here please

1) the current sourcing of the specific material is from a zone not associated with the item nor included in the reward box ( as is the usual custom )

2) the amounts required per item ( 6-12-16 ) are way out of tradition with previous furnishing item requirements.

@ZOS_Kevin @ZOS_GinaBruno

LurgidBean wrote: »

I'm wondering how they chose Daedra Hearts and Ancient Sandstone as style mats...
Do they have data that shows there are a lot of these mats unused in craft bags and wanted to make them useful? People had thousands and thousands of daedra hearts that now have been converted into furniture and aren't taking up space in craft bags
As Ancient Sandstone is another "legacy" material, I'm sure data shows there are lots already available in the craft bags of Tamriel, so it would possibly make sense to use existing materials instead of creating a new style material to track in the database.
I don't know at all... just trying to understand the reasoning. If this is part of the line of reasoning, it's flawed because how many of those thousands of Ancient Sandstone are in abandoned, forgotten or cold storage accounts?

Daedra Hearts for Fargrave plans would make sense, in a way. Daedra can't really be killed, when their Vestige is destroyed their "Animus" returns to Oblivion to have a new body formed. I can definitely see the "good" Daedra of Fargrave pretty much farming lesser Daedra like Banekin, Scamps, and Imps for building material. Daedra Hearts are also fairly easy to farm, considering how many places in the game spawn Daedra, including numerous dungeons (City of Ash is easy on normal and a crapload of Scamps and Flame Atronachs are there, plus Coldharbour and the Deadlands portals in Blackwood are full of Daedra).

Ancient Sandstone doesn't make sense to me, though. Yes, humans exist with the Daedra in Fargrave in "relative peace", but the place itself still physically exists in Oblivion. What mortals would have bothered bringing building materials from Nirn/Mundus, and what Daedra would have done so either? Human and Daedra both would have just built with materials available there, unless there literally were none whatsoever to be used.

Wolf_Eye wrote: »

Arunei wrote: »

LurgidBean wrote: »

I'm wondering how they chose Daedra Hearts and Ancient Sandstone as style mats...
Do they have data that shows there are a lot of these mats unused in craft bags and wanted to make them useful? People had thousands and thousands of daedra hearts that now have been converted into furniture and aren't taking up space in craft bags
As Ancient Sandstone is another "legacy" material, I'm sure data shows there are lots already available in the craft bags of Tamriel, so it would possibly make sense to use existing materials instead of creating a new style material to track in the database.
I don't know at all... just trying to understand the reasoning. If this is part of the line of reasoning, it's flawed because how many of those thousands of Ancient Sandstone are in abandoned, forgotten or cold storage accounts?

Daedra Hearts for Fargrave plans would make sense, in a way. Daedra can't really be killed, when their Vestige is destroyed their "Animus" returns to Oblivion to have a new body formed. I can definitely see the "good" Daedra of Fargrave pretty much farming lesser Daedra like Banekin, Scamps, and Imps for building material. Daedra Hearts are also fairly easy to farm, considering how many places in the game spawn Daedra, including numerous dungeons (City of Ash is easy on normal and a crapload of Scamps and Flame Atronachs are there, plus Coldharbour and the Deadlands portals in Blackwood are full of Daedra).

Ancient Sandstone doesn't make sense to me, though. Yes, humans exist with the Daedra in Fargrave in "relative peace", but the place itself still physically exists in Oblivion. What mortals would have bothered bringing building materials from Nirn/Mundus, and what Daedra would have done so either? Human and Daedra both would have just built with materials available there, unless there literally were none whatsoever to be used.

The only thing I can think of is perhaps maybe they're making a subtle hint that Fargrave is none other than the Far Shores; the place of the dead for Redguards. But then, that wouldn't make much sense as to why living mortals can go there.

Not only living mortals, but Daedra too. I know Redguards despise the Undead, but I believe they're none too fond of Daedra either, so Daedra being there would be a little weird too.

That would have been a nice explanation though, and would have made it make at least a little bit of sense to use this particular mat.

up over all the locked threads, maybe a ZOS response tomorrow?

TCC price holding steady around 2200 avg PC NA, with number of listings slowly increasing ( more a reflection on items being listed in small quantities )

Will be interesting to see how this is impacting console players now that they have the release, looking forward to their input. As the populations tend to be smaller and economies are different I wonder how the change in amounts and sourcing of ancient sandstone is affecting them.

Update -

TCC avg price 2,217 ( no significant change for 2 weeks ) however the number of listings are down 25% and number of items are almost half of what they were: 43k vs peak of 79k.

In terms of the current Jubilee event after doing daily crafting and various zone dailies on multiple toons I have certainly opened many 100's of boxes by now. I have come across some of the most obscure style materials I have ever seen - and yet, despite 100's of assorted items dropped from Jubilee boxes I have not yet received a single Ancient Sandstone !!!! I have asked around and no one I know has received any either.

So I will ask yet again

Looking forward to a ZOS response to the key questions here please

1) the current sourcing of the specific material is from a zone not associated with the item nor included in the reward box ( as is the usual custom )

2) the amounts required per item ( 6-12-16 ) are way out of tradition with previous furnishing item requirements.

3) any particular reason that ancient sandstone, despite now being a style and furniture material, was not included in the Jubilee reward boxes?

@ZOS_Kevin @ZOS_GinaBruno

The amount of sand stones required for each piece is unusual, a break from the rule 1x style material for green/blue and 2x style material for the epic/gold furnishings. Also, they don't drop in the DLC where the blueprints drop.

An other issue, is how high the price of Ivory Brigade clasps is now. 5.5-8k gold on the PC EU.
The sand stones are around 2.2k now.

To get the amount of style materials required for the current chapter/DLC is a grind worse than the one for Culanda in Summerset. At least the drop is guaranteed for Culanda.

I do not mind some dailies and a bit of work to get what I want, but this system is designed against acquiring the items by normal in game means, encouraging the housing creators to buy the items from the crown store. To decorate a 700 slot house, a player needs hundreds if not thousands of crafting resources such as mundane runes, heartwood and style materials. It is impossible to get this amount by dailies.
I have been playing ESO mostly for the housing part in the past few years. This grind is getting worse and worse. To me is quite frustrating to see that great additions to the housing system, like new beautiful and much varied furnishings, are placed behind paywalls and insufferable grinds. All this makes me want to quit and forget about this game until the direction changes.

I personally want to thank the op for bringing this to my attention I was able to make a fat stack of gold for a useless to me item so thank you and I hope that you at least got a stack or two from me as I was selling them at 1750per

Was hoping to get some kind of response from ZOS regarding the changes made to material requirements but alas, nothing yet.

TCC average price 2,312, 1,138 listings, 32,728 items - compared to mid April, the prices is creeping up a smidge whilst the supply has dropped from it's peak to a steady base value. The blue/purple plans/designs value has dropped significantly also as is the usual case over this time period.

Not sure if many players are using a lot of the structural pieces in new housing builds; there are some interesting possibilities but the mats cost is prohibitive for many players ( that I have spoken with ) to attempt a bigger project.

kind_hero wrote: »

An other issue, is how high the price of Ivory Brigade clasps is now. 5.5-8k gold on the PC EU.
The sand stones are around 2.2k now.

To get the amount of style materials required for the current chapter/DLC is a grind worse than the one for Culanda in Summerset. At least the drop is guaranteed for Culanda.

Just as a note, if you're ever short of style mats for furnishings, and don't have gold to buy them, but you have unused mimic stones, you can craft items in that style (for eg., sapiarch for culanda) and then decon them to get the style stones. The yield is not 1:1 but it's a last resort trick for crafting furnishings. In any case, I wish they adjusted the numbers needed for the rare styles, it sucks to have another limiting factor on top of the furnishing materials (runes, heartwood, etc.).

Marcusorion1 wrote: »

Craglorn delve bosses certainly have a chance to drop ancient sandstone, but it's just a chance and it is only 1. Furnishings can require from 6 ( green ) to 16 ( purple ) per item made. These are structural items - a player will normally want to construct several of any particular piece with which to build anything. 4 walls and a floor = 60 ancient sandstone, add a colonnade hall, another 16; happy farming?

@ZOS_Kevin @ZOS_GinaBruno

2022...
I really hope this is the year this finally changes.