I'm afraid that the BOTS and empty dungeons have ruined this game for me.

raudfsfolley · May 2014

It gets worse when you have to kill certain mobs and the bot trains keep them cleared out.

I hate that this has driven me to this point, but a bot report should result in an auto-boot followed by login-lock pending GM investigation at this point, rather than waiting on a GM to get to it. If I report *bampf* bot gone. Or X number of reports (all from different people) result in an auto-ban pending GM investigation.

Froobert · May 2014

Shield Bash those Bots >:O

ciannait · May 2014

raudfsfolley wrote: »

It gets worse when you have to kill certain mobs and the bot trains keep them cleared out.

I hate that this has driven me to this point, but a bot report should result in an auto-boot followed by login-lock pending GM investigation at this point, rather than waiting on a GM to get to it. If I report *bampf* bot gone. Or X number of reports (all from different people) result in an auto-ban pending GM investigation.

That could be ripe for exploitation and trolling actual players but I'd love to see an auto-boot trigger after a certain number of reports, perhaps.

fyendiarb16_ESO · May 2014

To those that think it is not as bad a deal as most are making it out to be I just ask one simple thing: create an alt just for 15 minutes, make it an EP alt to make it extra obvious for you, then leave the city and go to the ghosts just outside of town where you have a bunch of quests and you will see, withing those 15 minutes more bots than you can count.

I don't level fast and I make alts all the time, so I don't know how bad it is beyond 30. The first days of playing a new character though means seeing countless bots killing normal mobs inside and outside solo dungeons, resources vanish before your eyes because there are bots under the ground looting them before you can, they are using every movement hack in the book and they are removing a huge part of the fun of questing.

I still love the game, but I find myself so frustrated with the amount of bots that I, as mainly a pve player enter Cyrodiil, only to find ghost campaigns. I love the game, but I am starting to hate the state it is in lately.

Let's hope they will find a way soon to counter the vast majority of bots (there will always be some) and merge the campaigns. If they manage that then I will be so freaking happy!

But atm I am just sad that a game which is clearly so awesome, so breathtakingly great (IMHO), is so troubled by the criminals (bots, gold sellers, gold buyers, etc) that make money at the cost of our enjoyment.

I still have hope.

Jim_McMasterub17_ESO · May 2014

felixgamingx1 wrote: »

YOU GUYS KNOW IF YOU SIT STILL FOR 2 MINUTES THE MOBS ARE GOING TO SPAWN AGAIN RIGHT? RIGHT!?

you know your caps lock is on? RIGHT ? RIGHT?

The bots form trains, several of them in fact, & between them & the other players,
you'll be lucky to kill a few mobs per dungeon before the quest is over & you're frustrated standing for twenty five minutes in three to five minute intervals hoping to the nine NO-one else comes by so you can KILL something.

Oh, & Felixgaming1, you're trolling... Calm down, know Ur mad bro

PF1901 · May 2014

felixgamingx1 wrote: »

YOU GUYS KNOW IF YOU SIT STILL FOR 2 MINUTES THE MOBS ARE GOING TO SPAWN AGAIN RIGHT? RIGHT!?

As we didn't know. How astonishing you also need only one hit on a mob to achieve a certain task. Now go and make a new toon, go outside of Daggerfall and let us know how much fun you had. Maybe you should also try to gather some resources while you're at it - please let us know how much fun that was. If you don't make much progress with the resources maybe you could ask one of those bots to help you out.

I read your previous posts plus thread you started on this topic, didn't know if it was meant to be sarcasm (if yes you completely failed at it) but now I'm pretty sure you're in dire need of a reality check. I have a hard time understanding that people can be so ignorant of the current situation and how it might possibly hurt the game (I don't really care about the bloody 15 bucks or whatever I pay for this game per month, but I do care about the game itself and the fun I (could) have in it).

kellemdros · May 2014

well... i just can say.... the train bots are in the 40-50 dungeons too... atleast for the aldmeri dominion... reapers march, etc... i just reached vr levels... and they started to appear over here too...

Just get into a public dungeon, and half of the times you'll need to wait where the boss is for its respawn, to a train of bots erasing all the cave XD

Iorail · May 2014

kellemdros wrote: »

i just reached vr levels... and they started to appear over here too...

They are no RMT bots in the VR zones, why? cause they will have to SOLO the entire Main Story Line and SOLO kill Molag Bal (not to mention Manimarco) to access the VR area, stop exaggerating. They can't port to someone there either, that don't work.

But if by the grace of God there are, ZoS needs to take the game down immediately, as they found a way to bypass all the locks I mention and that's a serious break in game mechanics.

Dita · May 2014

Iorail wrote: »

They are no RMT bots in the VR zones, why? cause they will have to SOLO the entire Main Story Line and SOLO kill Molag Bal (not to mention Manimarco) to access the VR area, stop exaggerating. They can't port to someone there either, that don't work.

But if by the grace of God there are, ZoS needs to take the game down immediately, as they found a way to bypass all the locks I mention and that's a serious break in game mechanics.

Those bots can fly, go through walls, some of them cannot be targeted to be /reported - and you still believe in ZOS mighty security system - bots are laughing at them, they are true GameMasters of The Elder Bots Online now, sure occasionally some of them could be banned, but the infestation is so massive now, it won't hurt one bit. They won, for now or forever - I don't know, but they certainly won a battle. War ? Time will tell, but I not putting any money on ZOS, literally.

kellemdros · May 2014

Iorail wrote: »

kellemdros wrote: »

i just reached vr levels... and they started to appear over here too...

They are no RMT bots in the VR zones, why? cause they will have to SOLO the entire Main Story Line and SOLO kill Molag Bal (not to mention Manimarco) to access the VR area, stop exaggerating. They can't port to someone there either, that don't work.

But if by the grace of God there are, ZoS needs to take the game down immediately, as they found a way to bypass all the locks I mention and that's a serious break in game mechanics.

Tomorrow i will add some screenshots if they still there.... IT SUCKS, and sucks more cause i love the game...

RedTalon · May 2014

The Dreadic Prince of Spam and Bots must be dealt with and sooner rather then later, he is killing the game slowly and surely.

I admit part of the reason why I am playing little less is due to the plague of bots, can't really do much crafting beside provisioning on new chars cause nodes get consumed fast.

kasain · May 2014

Bots will be in vet zones and are. After all players trade me in vet zones thinking I am a bot. And once people can help each other on any quest bots will invade vet zones by the massrs. With and army the size of cyrodil to drive out and away all eso players. As they march forth and claim eso for themselves like an undead rising.

raudfsfolley · May 2014

They are still outside Daggerfall, where the ghosts are. At least they were yesterday. I counted at least 5 different bot trains with no less than 4 bots per a train. Had a heck of a time even getting the ONE HIT needed to do the quests for that area. I'd see the ghost, go towards it and... it was dead before my attack could go off.

Zenimark can say they're "working on it," all they want, but until I stop seeing so many bots flying through the air, tunneling under the ground, and running in trains, I won't believe it. Having a GM come on and announce they are there is like turning on the light in a questionable motel room... the cockroaches just vanish until the lights go off again.

Atreidus · May 2014

drkfrontiers wrote: »

I don't understand how this is even allowed to reach this level.

Why not randomize the spawn location of the NPC's?

Even the Creation Kit used NavMesh so they should be able to ensure that the NPC's do not spawn into walls etc.

Add a timer to the bosses. You kill the boss you are removed from the map back to the nearest shrine and 24 hour timer imposed.

Want to check for which accounts are running bots? Add a trigger to report collision because from what I see all the BOTS toons appear to ignore collision. and

Worst idea ever. You kill an boss; want to continue exploring and instead of that you are geting ported out. This bill would be expensive.

redwoodtreesprite · May 2014

Hmmm. I play Everquest II a lot. Do not recall ever seeing bots there, and have never had problems finding crafting mats to harvest. There has been gold seller spam in the past, but since SoE introduced the Krono, a way for players to buy an item with real money that they can then sell to other players ingame for platinum, the gold seller spam has gone away. Safe way to buy and sell game currency, and it has not affected the game economy in any bad way. I also play LOTRO, and while there used to be harvest bots there that could collect undetected by mobs (over 3 years ago at least), those are long gone now. I guess most other MMOs are swarming with bots? Glad I never felt like playing any of those.

ausmack2014 · May 2014

snowmanflvb14_ESO wrote: »

drkfrontiers wrote: »

I've really tried to just ignore it. But, no matter where I find myself, all I see is BOTS running, floating, flying... #@#! you name it !@#* around. Pointless quests (only because the actual objective intended for the player has already been strip-mined by machines!) that have zero excitement in them because of the constant camping by BOTS. By the time you get to a dungeon its $%^& empty!!

I've tried to run around empty dungeons but sorry this is just going nowhere.

The first time I heard a prominent podcaster raging about the open world mechanic regarding spawning, I thought to myself, "Jeez... it can't be all that bad?!"

"@%#, was I wrong!!"

I can only assume that you no longer have a wish to play any new and or popular MMO since they all have the same issue with bots.

Nonsense. Of course there are bots in games like WoW, but not to the degree of this one. I don't see them wiping out areas the way they do in ESO, I don't see bots standing around in a town openly doing business without anyone behind the scenes doing at thing, I don't see them flying around and under the ground and moving about the landscape in bunches of 7 or more farming every available node and mob. Anyone who thinks the bot level in this game is fine is living in lala land.

ausmack2014 · May 2014

Zaann wrote: »

It's been just over a month since launch and the bot-kill response IMO has been absolutely phenomenal ... angry gamers in forums mind you, that's just par for the course.

ps: bots suck

Are you serious? Pity you can't hear a tone of voice in text, perhaps you are making a statement in the negative. If so I agree with your reverse statement. If not, I offer you another pair of rose coloured glasses.

ausmack2014 · May 2014

ciannait wrote: »

raudfsfolley wrote: »

It gets worse when you have to kill certain mobs and the bot trains keep them cleared out.

I hate that this has driven me to this point, but a bot report should result in an auto-boot followed by login-lock pending GM investigation at this point, rather than waiting on a GM to get to it. If I report *bampf* bot gone. Or X number of reports (all from different people) result in an auto-ban pending GM investigation.

That could be ripe for exploitation and trolling actual players but I'd love to see an auto-boot trigger after a certain number of reports, perhaps.

Its a nice idea, Im just not sure it would work. If you had a group in a guild who had it in for a player for some reason, they could gang up and grief that person with reporting them, triggering an autoban. Is it likely to be common? Probably not, but if I can think of it, guarantee it would happen. And if you put in place a punishment for reporting someone who wasn't guilty of anything, people would be hesitant to hit that report button in case it was done by mistake. So not sure how it would work.

Cogo · May 2014

There was a patch this morning 16/5 on the EU server.
The night before I saw bots, but today I havn't seen a single one.

Did something good happen? ;-)

Oh, I am level 34 so maybe they just moved up, I don't know. But since the start of ESO (5 days yearly access), my experience with these bots/goldfarmers has been that in time, something is done, and they go away.

Seen any goldfarmer /zone spam lately? I havnt. I got some spam in game mail. Reported it. But that's it.

redwoodtreesprite · May 2014

Cogo wrote: »

There was a patch this morning 16/5 on the EU server.
The night before I saw bots, but today I havn't seen a single one.

Did something good happen? ;-)

Nah, they crawled back pretty quick. The puppet masters had to restart them.

Figured out one thing this early morn. Do whatever harvesting you can right after the servers come back up. Only time you have any chance of getting much.

Arsvita · May 2014

Some bots are very hard to get, period.
The speed hack, flying, teleporting, underground travel can make it difficult not only to get the name, but to see as well.
And some are boxed and stack upon one another making it hard to differentiate the names.
The other day, I have stopped playing as it has become so bad (I want to log, but...), there were hundreds that I saw flying so fast through all manner of "obstacles" and floating underground I could not capture even a screenshot.

They are a plague of locust in all aspects of the game. Sadly they are also filling a desire for some pixel produced product some, I can't say, "people" want and spend money for.

We need a way to truly get the bots to a level that is at least "managed".

A way for the reporting to have a more visible and immediate affect would be nice.

I still feel, as I have mentioned in bot reports and these forums, we need a way to be able to kill them in the game by having them marked as a combatant. This could allow the players to have hunting parties (Got Booze?) and enjoy the satisfaction of actually killing bots. Maybe even achievements to go along with this petty idea of revenge on the spammers.

Create a 100,000% aggro drop on the bots to bring in all types of nasties (allow them in these instances to travel underground and "collision free") from a very large radius that remains even when they resurrect. Something, please.

They make our lives in Tamriel hell and ruin our game play with constant harassment.

If a group of people abuse the system against another player to grief them, ban them. If a guild does it, ban them and remove the guild from existence.

Hopefully, one way or another, we can get the bot invasion under control.

Until then, make them pay in every and any petty way you can think of, draw as many mobs to them and try to get them killed or use them if need be. Get there first, damned hard with the hacks, and hold the loot and make them stick in node loot mode, whatever.

drkfrontiers · May 2014

felixgamingx1 wrote: »

YOU GUYS KNOW IF YOU SIT STILL FOR 2 MINUTES THE MOBS ARE GOING TO SPAWN AGAIN RIGHT? RIGHT!?

Yes thoroughly immerse gaming experience.

drkfrontiers · May 2014

Atreidus wrote: »

drkfrontiers wrote: »

I don't understand how this is even allowed to reach this level.

Why not randomize the spawn location of the NPC's?

Even the Creation Kit used NavMesh so they should be able to ensure that the NPC's do not spawn into walls etc.

Add a timer to the bosses. You kill the boss you are removed from the map back to the nearest shrine and 24 hour timer imposed.

Want to check for which accounts are running bots? Add a trigger to report collision because from what I see all the BOTS toons appear to ignore collision. and

Worst idea ever. You kill an boss; want to continue exploring and instead of that you are geting ported out. This bill would be expensive.

I mean when you have finished the quest and received all the rewards. There should be a mechanism to remove you.

Now on that note, why can't we go back and play previous quests?

shaiten · May 2014

resources vanish before your eyes because there are bots under the ground looting them before you can

still trying to figure out how people know bots are underground doing this ... maybe they are just invisible

kasain · May 2014

Reaaly, I won't be surprised if this is ESO's intention. They make the game very gold dependent. They will do like what they did with their horse when it come stime for console version.

$5.00, buy a repair kit that will do 3x the repairs and cut decay in half.
$15.00 buy a repair kit that repairs a whole armor suit and the decay is 50% less.

Buy a book, $9.95

And they will laugh all the way to the bank, They wanted a subscriber game, plus a in game store. The only way to make it work is let the bots own the game and keep armor repair high.

They will do something like this plus other items. Don't say you were not warned.

babylon · May 2014

shaiten wrote: »

resources vanish before your eyes because there are bots under the ground looting them before you can

still trying to figure out how people know bots are underground doing this ... maybe they are just invisible

If you angle your mouse cursor down to the ground when one of the underground harvest bots is farming a node you can get the interact with player menu.

Korozenn · May 2014

babylon wrote: »

shaiten wrote: »

resources vanish before your eyes because there are bots under the ground looting them before you can

still trying to figure out how people know bots are underground doing this ... maybe they are just invisible

If you angle your mouse cursor down to the ground when one of the underground harvest bots is farming a node you can get the interact with player menu.

To add to this, sometimes bots will also have their head, pickaxe, or wood axe partially show through the node they're under as well. If you turn your Footprints volume up to max in the game settings, you'll hear their really fast running movement as they approach the node and leave it as well to head to the next one in their path.

karstenb16_ESO7 · May 2014

What bugs me the most is that this is ELDER SCROLLS. This is not random free-to-play online game #372 that I couldn't care less about. This is ELDER SCROLLS. I waited a long time for this. I had planned to play this for a LONG time.

Did I mention, this is ELDER SCROLLS.

I still have hopes that it will get better. Bugs can be fixed. Stupid design decisions can be corrected. But looking at how Zenimax has handled most problems so far I am pessimistic.

Man this is frustrating.

Edit: I remember only two times when I was equally disappointed in an MMO. Star Wars The Old Republic and Vanguard, Saga of Heroes.

dragnar12 · May 2014

karstenb16_ESO7 wrote: »

What bugs me the most is that this is ELDER SCROLLS. This is not random free-to-play online game #372 that I couldn't care less about. This is ELDER SCROLLS. I waited a long time for this. I had planned to play this for a LONG time.

Did I mention, this is ELDER SCROLLS.

I still have hopes that it will get better. Bugs can be fixed. Stupid design decisions can be corrected. But looking at how Zenimax has handled most problems so far I am pessimistic.

Man this is frustrating.

i am sorry to say this but the way they released eso and how they, knew there game was bugged ans *** yet they releaesed it any way WAY ?>>> get as mutch money as posible as fast as posible plan cus we failed MONEY

1 paywall ( caracter ) pay money upfront or *** off
2 free month ( 30 day,s ) pay money / subscribe or *** off
3 paywall ( pre order ) or u cant play any race in any faction ( better buy now instead of w8 and see if the game is good and loze this option fear !!! )
4 paywall ( mount ) mounts expansive as *** but if u pay 20 usd u get freee mount
5 eu servers in the usa ( for faster patches ) nope cus its cheaper way way cheaper
noting to do whit patches @‌
6 rushed release ( archage and wildstar release ) so better release now even if its *** so we can get maximum profit and dont loze money to arkage and wildstar <

Mablung · May 2014

felixgamingx1 wrote: »

YOU GUYS KNOW IF YOU SIT STILL FOR 2 MINUTES THE MOBS ARE GOING TO SPAWN AGAIN RIGHT? RIGHT!?

You obviously have not been in the lower level solo dungeons. There are 50 or more bots training in there. Going from spawn to spawn wiping things out almost before they have completely spawned. It is that bad.