YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

The outrageously ill-considered global nerf to healing received after exceeding two HOTs is probably the worst single change that I've ever seen in a Patch Notes release. The spirit of the idea is sound, limiting the effectiveness of HOT-stacking in PvP; but the execution is absolutely abysmal.

The first and most obvious reason for why this change is a complete disaster is because you, as a player, have ZERO CONTROL over whether or not you will receive this essentially death-sentence. It makes casual zone healers the literal scourge of the earth in Cyrodiil because they will be, rather than assisting their faction, walking Grim Reapers sentencing their own side to death by simply trying to help them. It is also a fantastic opportunity for trolling and sabotage as logging-in on an enemy faction for the specific purpose of destroying their healing becomes a very appealing strategy for a subset of players.

Easy ways that you can salvage this situation:

1. Disallow sticky HOTs of the same morph from stacking with each other and call it a day (this is by far the best option)
2. Apply the 50% healing nerf specifically to sticky HOTs

Both of these achieve the intended goal of the change without pitting players at each other's throats or having disastrous impacts downstream of the change.

I sincerely hope to see one of those two listed in the PTS Notes for Week 2.

Consider this a vote from me @ZOS_Kevin to especially pay attention to this and send to the team. This is a change I feel needs to be made before update 49 goes live, not after. Its very important.

FoJul wrote: »

master_vanargand wrote: »

Great. So, very good.
What this means is that in 4v4, you should decide the role of the healer.
For group healing, you should only use "Radiating Regeneration" and not "Echoing Vigor".
DPS and tanks can use just one HoT without any problems.
The penalty for having three or more HoTs is very well balanced.
"Ward Ally" will attract attention.
However, HoTs like "Radiating Regeneration" should not stack.
You don't want to accidentally receive two HoTs from another player.
Other morphs, like "Echoing Vigor" and "Resolving Vigor", should not stack.

Pale order bis

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I also find the particle effects on the 2h animations to be too much. The animations themselves are good. A bit of shrinking and lower opacity might do the trick.

First of all, I’d like to say that, in my opinion, the developers are heading in the right direction. However, there’s still a lot of work to be done. Below, I’d like to focus on the following aspects:

• what has been done;
• what causes issues;
• what needs to be done.

What has been done
The impact has indeed improved: the skills are now more dynamic and visually appealing. The sound effects and animations are pleasant. Overall, the combat experience feels better than before.

However, it’s still not up to the standard we’d expect for 2025–2026. Here’s why:

Although the skills now have new animations, they still have some shortcomings that make combat feel less dynamic than it could be. I’m referring to combos.

When we combine different skills by pressing them in sequence, it looks great. But as soon as we use the same skill twice, everything starts to look awkward again.

Suggested improvement: add several animations for the same skill so that it can combine with itself.

For example, the very first skill in the two‑handed weapon tree has a two‑hit combo — that’s good. However, two animations are still not enough. Three would be ideal (the third one could deal increased damage or have a lower cost).

This also applies to skills that directly attack the enemy. For instance, skill 5 doesn’t need changes.

Another noticeable issue is camera shake. While it enhances the combat experience by 100 %, skill 3 lacks camera shake, which makes it feel weak in terms of impact — the hit doesn’t feel satisfying at all.

The same applies to DK skills: there’s no camera shake, and only the claw attacks have combos. When playing as DK, I felt a stark contrast compared to the two‑handed weapon tree — I stopped feeling the combat, even though the skills look beautiful.

What causes issues
Weaving — this is the main problem. Animations break when using weaving and fail to play correctly. The character literally holds a sword but doesn’t move it, yet damage is still dealt while the character just stands there.

Suggested solution: either remove weaving or give skills more windows to accommodate it. Otherwise, it will look terrible in actual combat.

DK wings — for some reason, they appear in the air rather than on the character’s back.

What needs to be done (my suggestions)
As mentioned earlier, combo attacks need further improvement.

Light and heavy attacks also require attention:

they need combos and camera shake;

currently, they look too bland compared to skills, yet we use them most often in combat;

we use them for weaving, resource generation, etc.

Goal: make light and heavy attacks as satisfying to use as skills. They should have impact and be fun to play with.

Specific suggestions:

introduce three‑hit combos for light and heavy attacks;

add camera shake even for regular swings.

Important note: many players dislike camera shake, so it’s essential to add a setting that controls the intensity of camera shake.

Conclusion
These are the key points I consider important for future updates. As you can see, I haven’t addressed balance or skill stats — my feedback focuses solely on the combat experience.

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

Radiate77 wrote: »

I don’t agree that Off-Balance should leave Dizzying Swing, if anything, we need more combat mechanics like Off-Balance that reward active play.

Medium-weave interaction is the best part of it.

Agreed, removing off balance from dizzy ruins the point of that skill existing, absolutely not.

It’s a nice touch when you medium weave after for a stun

nightbringer1993 wrote: »

What I can see is that if other PTS follow the same route as this one where only one class is being and the others remain untouched then the future looks grim because underpowered classes like Necro that are left at the end of this class refresh will go unplayable and forcing people to change class is not acceptable.

yeah not having any class skill line balance changes aside from DK is pretty wild. tired of the same old stuff since june release

I play Necro and am rather afraid of not being able to play it next year because all the subclasses lines would have been remastered and not match Necro skills. Three years of having to drop and come back to my main char but then massive nerfs like the removal of stalking blastbone forced me into arca and heavy atack sorc in pve dd and sorc and nb in PvP. I was forced to drop necro again and again because of stupid changes like grave lord sacrifice that nearly nobody uses.