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Vengeance
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I might be in the minority here, but can we have Vengeance full time? or at least once a month. I thought the last iteration was so much better and smoother then the current cyrodil experience. I thought it put most at a level playing field and skill mattered more than "I have a better meta build that you". to be fair I play a mDK so its so much better before all this subclass nonsense.
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Permanently, and “sometime” this year, per the first post here:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/685603/community-update-vengeance-testing-cyrodiil/p1
The last section of the post summarizes their two choices, both of which involve Vengeance. Their question is whether to keep Gray Host. The other campaigns will depend on how many people play them.3 -
BardokRedSnow✭✭✭✭✭Vengeance Is Coming
Permanently, and “sometime” this year, per the first post here:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/685603/community-update-vengeance-testing-cyrodiil/p1
The last section of the post summarizes their two choices, both of which involve Vengeance. Their question is whether to keep Gray Host. The other campaigns will depend on how many people play them.
Given the lackluster performance of Vengeance and people populating greyhost more than vengeance when put side by side, we all know Zos will not be getting rid of it.
Even with the difference in population representation of the bars, greyhost was locked out every evening (PCNA), vengeance never saw more than a single bar filled. And it was on EP, the map was perpetually red.
But yes, Vengeance Is Coming. Unfortunately.Edited by BardokRedSnow on January 17, 2026 4:49AMZos then: Vengeance is just a test bro
Zos now: Do you want Vengeance permanent or permanent...4 -
aetherix8✭✭✭✭Vengeance is supposed to be a permanent campaign sometime this year, which I’m looking forward to it. That said, I don’t mind waiting a bit longer for a version that would allow players to personalize their templates further. I think that the last iteration was offering too little diversity of builds, and this could hamper Vengeance’s viability long term.PC EU - V4hn13 -
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✭Hopefully it will open with white strakes event. Even if just a temp campaign.Edited by Orbital78 on January 17, 2026 7:46AM4 -
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✭BardokRedSnow wrote: »Even with the difference in population representation of the bars, greyhost was locked out every evening (PCNA), vengeance never saw more than a single bar filled. And it was on EP, the map was perpetually red.
But yes, Vengeance Is Coming. Unfortunately.
It was the opposite from what I could see on XBEU. Vengeance sometimes filled bars, but Greyhost didn't. Even when they ran at the same time.
Unless I somehow happened to just get lucky on the occasions I looked and went in to have a look around.
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✭pop lock GH = same number of players as 2 bars VengeancePC/NA || Cyro/BGs || solo/smallscale || retired until Dagon brings a new dawn of PvP3 -
BardokRedSnow✭✭✭✭✭pop lock GH = same number of players as 2 bars Vengeance
Pop locked greyhost is 360 players not counting all the players in queue. 120 per faction, 40 players per bar.
Vengeance 1 bar xbox controller ui is 100 players. 300 players per faction, 900 in total when pop locked.
Vengeance however only had one bar ever on ep, so regardless of the estimate you can make, highballed for each faction, it still had less players than greyhost.
We've been over this, lets not do it again. Greyhost had far more players when side by side with vengeance on PCNA.Edited by BardokRedSnow on January 17, 2026 3:11PMZos then: Vengeance is just a test bro
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✭✭pop lock GH = same number of players as 2 bars Vengeance
You don't know that. ZOS has never released any data from anything other than their first iteration of vengeance when they ran a golden pursuit at the same time to artificially increase participation.
And even using your figures GH still had double the population vengeance ever had. Additionally, performance during the last instance of vengeance was very similar to performance in GH.
Vengeance is a lose lose proposition. And it means ZOS is wasting dev time and resources on vengeance instead of working on GH when GH is by far more popular. ZOS continuing to invest in vengeance will cause the population to continue to decline.
The only thing that can save this situation is for ZOS to do what they've always said they were doing "They're working on it", meaning working on GH, not vengeance.3 -
aetherix8✭✭✭✭This is literally a thread started by a player very much wishing they could play Vengeance every day, and yet there are still people who claim the mode is dead and no one wants to play it.PC EU - V4hn16
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bruh, greyhost will still be there. It is just too small to host pc-na during the event. vengence has a larger capacity and better gameplay for some. I meant one vengence campaign along side greyhost and maybe others, if that wasn't clear.Edited by Orbital78 on January 17, 2026 5:19PM4 -
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Vengeance wasnt even mandated for second half of last Vengeance test and Midyear should pull more players into Cyrodiil and many of them will be PvE players without PvP build as Mayham gives not just double ap but also event shines. Although last one wasnt that popular either.
When they manage to create 5 new completely dead campaigns including a second u50 they shouldnt struggle to open Vengeance without closing GreyHost, Blackreach or Ravenwatch.PC EU2 -
Iriidius✭✭✭✭✭pop lock GH = same number of players as 2 bars Vengeance
You don't know that. ZOS has never released any data from anything other than their first iteration of vengeance when they ran a golden pursuit at the same time to artificially increase participation.
And even using your figures GH still had double the population vengeance ever had. Additionally, performance during the last instance of vengeance was very similar to performance in GH.
Vengeance is a lose lose proposition. And it means ZOS is wasting dev time and resources on vengeance instead of working on GH when GH is by far more popular. ZOS continuing to invest in vengeance will cause the population to continue to decline.
The only thing that can save this situation is for ZOS to do what they've always said they were doing "They're working on it", meaning working on GH, not vengeance.
As they only postet that number short before the 4rd Vengeance test and said that 3rd Vengeance still had higher numbers than GreyHost it implies the numbers are still the same and if you claim they changed it to the same cap as GreyHost or whatever cap you want it to be you should prove it rather than the player relying on ZOS numbers. Have seen 60 players on factions with 1 bar in Vengeance.PC EU2 -
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Same, gotta love just sitting around watching the EP ballgroup farm noobs at Fare upper because they have a need to farm AP and have zero empathy nor desire for challenge.5 -
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You basically haven't played for more than 2 years, so that's to be expected.
The side by side "tests" showed that only a tiny percentage of people, as in less than 10%, prefer vengeance over greyhost. When people have an option, the vast majority play GH.
Vengeance is a waste of time and money for ZOS. There is nothing redeeming or rewarding about vengeance. It didn't even result in improved performance the last go around.2 -
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GH players are also okay with the server being dead 20 hours a day.DestroyerPewnack wrote: »...I think I'm okay with that. 🤔PC/NA || Cyro/BGs || solo/smallscale || retired until Dagon brings a new dawn of PvP7 -
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GH players are also okay with the server being dead 20 hours a day.DestroyerPewnack wrote: »...I think I'm okay with that. 🤔
Not on fridays saturdays and sundays, because people are off from work
When vengeance was up, it was also dead during work hours. Literally no different except it had less people playing when up against greyhost. Zos then: Vengeance is just a test bro
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GH players are also okay with the server being dead 20 hours a day.DestroyerPewnack wrote: »...I think I'm okay with that. 🤔
Vengeance players are okay with the server being dead 24 hours a day.5 -
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If that's what it takes to move on from the failed GH model, so be it. They'll scrap Vengeance and move onto a third model, not go back to what has obviously failed.Artisian0001 wrote: »Vengeance players are okay with the server being dead 24 hours a day.PC/NA || Cyro/BGs || solo/smallscale || retired until Dagon brings a new dawn of PvP9 -
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If that's what it takes to move on from the failed GH model, so be it. They'll scrap Vengeance and move onto a third model, not go back to what has obviously failed.Artisian0001 wrote: »Vengeance players are okay with the server being dead 24 hours a day.
Just because you don't like it doesn't make it failed. Don't you ever get tired of going into 100 different threads saying the same recycled points over and over again? If Greyhost which is failed, dwarfed the population of vengeance, then what is vengeance? They aren't going to move onto a third model. Take your dead vengeance campaign when it becomes permanent and move on, your personal gripe with GH, because you dislike dying and aren't adapting to the ever changing PvP in a more modernized environment, shouldn't be brought to the forums every hour of your life. You come here for months to be performative because you personally don't get what you want.11 -
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Correct. The devs shifting their resources to an entirely new PvP mode is what means GH failed. Just because you don't like the new PvP mode doesn't mean GH isn't a dead failure.Artisian0001 wrote: »Just because you don't like it doesn't make it failedPC/NA || Cyro/BGs || solo/smallscale || retired until Dagon brings a new dawn of PvP8 -
Correct. The devs shifting their resources to an entirely new PvP mode is what means GH failed. Just because you don't like the new PvP mode doesn't mean GH isn't a dead failure.Artisian0001 wrote: »Just because you don't like it doesn't make it failed
Vengeance is dead 100x over
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Make vengeance permanently as only one campaign and see pvp dying.
As soon vengeance was gone the pvp population healed.
The game mode will never be accepted and since Zos are likely gonna only bring it as extra campaign, you can have fun on that dead campaign, while the propper pvp players are in GH.
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[edited for baiting]Edited by ZOS_Icy on January 19, 2026 1:57PM3 -
People like Vengeance, that's why there's people coming to defend it. Man the pvp community is so toxic. Thread was made to ask for Vengeance full time and here comes the die hard GH injecting their opinions about it by being toxic.
If GH is so fun then get off the forums and play it. Stop hijacking threads to start flame wars because you hate Vengeance and want no one to enjoy it.
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✭They're just mad enough of the population will split and more casuals will have fun. Double GH capacity and it might be okay. Oh wait it would catch on fire and blow up.7 -
Just let people enjoy what they enjoy; there's no need to interject with negative opinions. If y'all are so confident in GH, then letting Vengeance be a thing for more casuals shouldn't be a problem at all. As someone who mostly pvp's, I can say that spending hours trying to find ways to counter the meta is not for everyone. Some people would love an option to just jump in and have fun siegeing.9