SaffronCitrusflower wrote: »

MorallyBipolar wrote: »

Blood_again wrote: »

JustLovely wrote: »

The arguments against solo mode are not weak. The only way solo/story mode doesn't break the game for players who play MMO's for grouping and socializing is if there are no rewards.

If there are not the same rewards as in a group dungeon, but for less time or less work.
Fixed it for you.

Different rewards for solo and group modes make it totally OK.

No effort should lead to no rewards.

Story mode and solo mode should give no rewards. Agreed.

If people want the rewards they should have to do the group content with other players.

With the exception of two solo trials, all end game content is group content. [snip]

Solo mode is fine so long as there are no rewards for it.

I disagree and would advocate for the best value being exclusive to the harder difficulties as in vastly increased rewards for Hard Mode, no change for Normal Mode and basic overland gear and delve level of rewards for the Story Mode.
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Those who believe that "introducing solo dungeons will actually make it easier to find groups using the group finder" – haven't you considered that tanks and healers will also use solo dungeons because they're easier to complete?They just need change to use dps build. Ultimately, the significantly reduced user base using the finder will only make finding groups more difficult, not the other way around.

ZhuJiuyin wrote: »

Those who believe that "introducing solo dungeons will actually make it easier to find groups using the group finder" – haven't you considered that tanks and healers will also use solo dungeons because they're easier to complete?They just need change to use dps build. Ultimately, the significantly reduced user base using the finder will only make finding groups more difficult, not the other way around.

I only tank or heal outside of guilds in order to quickly get daily rewards. I haven't needed daily rewards for several months now, as my build is currently complete. So I haven't been grouping or taking those roles.
Solo dungeons won't effect my tanking or healing, personally. They will just allow me to play the game and experience the stories on my own, which is a separate objective than the random daily in group finders.

ZhuJiuyin wrote: »

Soarora wrote: »

ZhuJiuyin wrote: »

Those who believe that "introducing solo dungeons will actually make it easier to find groups using the group finder" – haven't you considered that tanks and healers will also use solo dungeons because they're easier to complete?They just need change to use dps build. Ultimately, the significantly reduced user base using the finder will only make finding groups more difficult, not the other way around.

If you’re a support main why would you stop playing support to make a dps build to solo a dungeon? You can’t play support in solo, the only person to support there is yourself. It’s a different play experience. Real supports are hardly worth having in normals anyways so why would easier to complete be a factor here? If anything, queueing normal as a support would be easier to complete because of how little damage normal throws out.

Edit: The one support who came in here and said they would play solo dungeons as a support even had the caveat that it would be if there were NPCs that did the other roles so they could still play a healer.

As far as I know, some people play tanks or healers because the queues for DPS are too long. If a solo mode is introduced, these people will switch to solo mode, thus reducing the number of tanks and healers using the finder. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying solo mode is bad, but I don't think it will speed up matchmaking; it will only make matchmaking longer.

Ahhh okay. Yes, that is a good point. That said, I think it’d depend on reward structure and if those individuals find solo mode enjoyable.

I just want to know in what strange alternate reality are hardcore group players chosen to decide what solo players enjoy?

It's like the devs have to run everything by them or something?

Warhawke_80 wrote: »

I just want to know in what strange alternate reality are hardcore group players chosen to decide what solo players enjoy?

It's like the devs have to run everything by them or something?

It’s concern for the health of our content and growth of our community. That said, part of me wonders if decreased usage of the dungeon finder would push more people to use guilds for their 4-man content, which would be a more positive experience.

I’m still of the opinion that potential 4-man players would find it more enjoyable to do solo first then do 4-man as another way to experience the content & to get rewards. It’d decrease stress as mechanics are already known and, well, pure solo players who would never be interested in 4-man content exist and them doing solo mode has no influence on the queue or community growth.

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SaffronCitrusflower wrote: »

Warhawke_80 wrote: »

I just want to know in what strange alternate reality are hardcore group players chosen to decide what solo players enjoy?

It's like the devs have to run everything by them or something?

Given that the only solo content is overland and public dungeons and delves it's safe to assume that's what solo players are doing. All end game content is group content, so no solo players are playing the vast majority of the content in ESO and aren't participating in any end game activities.

Neither of those two statements are true. You’re still ignoring solo arenas, solo tri dungeons, and IA. As far as I’m aware, there is a solo endgame community. It’s just very small.

It's nonsensical anyway but since it came up in this thread several times: If ESO's future direction should be defined by the majority of its content (and the players who play it), in hours of unique (non-repeating) playable content, most content ESO has is probably overland quests. 40 hours per chapter (x8), 20 hours per dlc (also 8 I think it is?), plus whatever Solstice was (I'd say no matter how it was named, it had the scope of a winter dlc). And the base game with its three factions also easily adds a few hundred hours more to that.

So should ESO limit its focus on that and give up all other content types? Surely not.

Should only people who have taken the 1000+ hours to finish all zone story content make all decisions, including about systems they might have never used? Makes no sense either.

And yes, I'm aware there are people who played all story content plus dungeons and trials or plus PvP, or some have played all story content on several characters, or some might not have played all zones but spent the same amount of time on other PvE or PvP activities; and seriously, people can play whatever they want, it's their freetime and no one else's business. If their main activity in ESO is picking flowers and selling them, fine with me. Being bothered about how other people play a game - on their own even - seems like a waste of time to me.

Decisions about the game should be made by ZOS, feedback should ideally be given by intelligent people who can think beyond their own benefit and individual likings, keeping the overall picture in mind, about things they are knowledgeable about. Trialists about trials, dungeoneers about dungeons, housing people about housing, people well-versed in terms of lore about lore topics, etc. Obviously.