ZOS's communication has been amazing. Thank you all for keeping us up to date.

Just want to add my thanks and kudos for the communication recently.

I want to share @React and @CameraBeardThePirate s feedback regarding the class reworks and heal stacking adjustments:
Class Reworks
Doing each class 1 by 1 will be tough as the classes yet to be reworked will feel more and more behind as more classes are reworked and I hope the team will see the reworks through to the end even if some of the reworked abilities are too strong when compared to non-reworked classes.

Heal stacking adjustments
I also want to re-iterate that while the original proposed solution was far from ideal, there were at least some ideas worth testing for a single patch with some smaller adjustments (making it trigger off 5 or 6 sticky HoTs instead of 3 and ideally only trigger off actual sticky HoTs (regen, vigor, or similar), not just abilities that happen to have sticky HoT components as secondary/tertiary bonuses) to then iterate upon while a longer term solution is developed. Stacking mechanics in general have gotten too egregious to be left alone with nothing done while ZOS tries to find a "perfect" solution (healing is just the start of it but damage shields (scribing shields especially) and PvE group/raid sets are another very big detail that should not be ignored). I really hope the team continues to test different options and iterate and adjust them based on the reasonable/constructive feedback.

I do agree with the point that the ideal solution to this issue would be to limit stacking of defensive mechanics to a single instance (heals, shields, buffs, etc.) per person (and if it's not too impacting on performance adding in a way to ensure the highest value remains and is refreshed for each new cast) as I have seen in other games what happens to servers when defensive options are allowed to stack infinitely (it's not pretty for servers as even some of the best servers will simply just crash and permanently end (delete) the entire instance containing whatever interaction caused the crash).

In saying this, I do wish to also re-iterate the concerns raised by @Decimus that ideally for further improvements to the reworked classes that it's the weaker abilities/passives that get looked into buffing/adjusting. Hopefully the team can provide some insight into what they'll be looking into for the week 4 adjustments so we can continue to provide useful feedback for you guys while we wait for those adjustments to come through.

I also wish to bring some additional attention to @Estin s feedback where the faster/higher APM playstyle of whip feels as though the reward doesn't match the effort compared to the slower/lower APM playstyle that the new channeled fiery breath has but also that this pain point is exclusive to PvE as such their solution of a unique bonus to damage done against monsters per stack is a nice targeted solution that with appropriate values should help close this gap slightly with no impact on PvP where DK is already looking to be on par with (or at least very close to) the current sub-classed meta builds.

Once again, keep up the good work, the communication of late has been exactly what we've been asking for and alongside these weekly recaps during the PTS cycle have been awesome and really got me excited to actually contribute again on the forums and PTS.

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom
In terms of the player cap on Notable still being 24, will there be a chance to see it increased further at some point? Or is the reason it didn't get an increase for U49 the same limitations that are keeping the number of furnishing slots from being increased for them?

Also in regards to making pure Class players on par with Subclassing players, would it be feasible to give every Class a fourth set of passive skills that you only get access to if your character is that Race? Make it have unique buffs or other boosts, it could also help Class identity as well. But I know there are people who Subclass just for a line's passives, so making a general Class passive line might help. I don't know how possible that would be though.

I am a console player so unfortunately I can't participate in the PTS but I will say this is really good communication. Please keep this up because it made me come back to the game! I haven't been this excited to get back to ESO in awhile.

The only thing I will say is maybe give a bit more detail when it comes to describing where you will be trying to improve power for DK. Even something as vague as looking at adjusting x passive or x active skill will be able to give you some more constructive feedback from the player base since we all have an idea as to how those skills should be performing and how they are currently performing in the PTS. Having a bit of information can lead to feedback such as "yeah, that skill feels weird and I don't see that performing in any role." or "No! Please don't touch that ability it was working perfectly. X skill probably could use some love though." The idea is not numbers in this instance, just overall feelings to skills that are being planned to be adjusted.

This allows a little more back and forth with the community rather than week 4 "SURPRISE! Here's the final changes! Hope everything looks good!" and more than half of us get left disappointed. I'm only saying this because I've been here for a couple years and PTS cycles kind of felt like that almost every time. Mostly just putting this out as a suggestion but I honestly think it would be great for everybody.

We-, I-, huh?!
A summary where feedback was taken into account? Well done guys, good job, from the bottom of my heart.

(please please please do address the absolute kick in the teeth that the new "helping hands" is for dk tanks, you can't just wreck the dktank playstyle)

Actually looking forward to next pts cycle now.

The DK animations don't look good, the armor spikes look tiny compared to before, and the skill effects are too extreme. The uppercut and execute skills from the two-handed weapon line also look really cheap; it doesn't fit ESO. What I do really like is the two-handed charge and the DK whip.

I also don't understand why there aren't any poison abilities anymore. Is it for class identity? DKs used to have skills with poison damage, and we had wonderful gameplay and class identity...

(All just my opinion, no hate intended.)

Make ESO great again!

Not sure if anyone has noticed or if there has been another thread made but I want to bring to the attention of the new limit in update 49 where you cannot port out of imperial city carrying more than 100 tel var. I like the idea of the change but its concerning for the fact that large groups can now trap you from leaving by sitting in front of the sewer exit. There's basically no counter play other than keeping a recall stone on you at all times. Has anyone else noticed this new mech? Maybe off reduced cost recall stones and/or cause the recall stones to reduce your tel var by 20% for balancing? Just a thought..

Ryder45790 wrote: »

Not sure if anyone has noticed or if there has been another thread made but I want to bring to the attention of the new limit in update 49 where you cannot port out of imperial city carrying more than 100 tel var. I like the idea of the change but its concerning for the fact that large groups can now trap you from leaving by sitting in front of the sewer exit. There's basically no counter play other than keeping a recall stone on you at all times. Has anyone else noticed this new mech? Maybe off reduced cost recall stones and/or cause the recall stones to reduce your tel var by 20% for balancing? Just a thought..

Before porting out ever became a thing, there would always be battles outside of each faction’s sewer gate. It’s part of the risk.

The counterplay is using Vampire invisibility, using the Shadow subclass, running with a group, or being good at PvP.

MoonPile wrote: »

Ryder45790 wrote: »

Not sure if anyone has noticed or if there has been another thread made but I want to bring to the attention of the new limit in update 49 where you cannot port out of imperial city carrying more than 100 tel var. I like the idea of the change but its concerning for the fact that large groups can now trap you from leaving by sitting in front of the sewer exit. There's basically no counter play other than keeping a recall stone on you at all times. Has anyone else noticed this new mech? Maybe off reduced cost recall stones and/or cause the recall stones to reduce your tel var by 20% for balancing? Just a thought..

Oh... I hadn't even noticed that.
For those of us who only go there to complete Fishing or Antiquities, that's awful.

Just go get killed by a Daedroth, use an escape stone which are quite common if you farm at all down in the Sewers, or use the ladders up high.

Believe it or not, getting out of IC is incredibly easy when you know what district ladders lead where, and conveniently enough for fishing, the doorways to each district all line up with the fishing spots.

This is the start of a full class overhaul, Dragonknight should feel at least somewhat overpowered at this stage. It’s the first class being refreshed. If it launches feeling only “okay” or weak now, it’s going to feel very underpowered long-term once other classes receive their buffs and refreshes

Changing Avalanche to a 3-second gain and decay on stacks would go a long way. The current 50 seconds to fully build stacks just doesn’t work in most PvE scenarios. Any boss immunity phase wipes progress, so you’re often losing stacks right as you build them, only to barely recover them before the next immunity phase. In practice, it feels bad and unrewarding.

I think the biggest issue with Dragonknight right now is the huge cost of its skills, especially when comparable abilities on other classes cost almost half as much and are often more effective. That cost disparity alone makes DK feel inefficient before you even look at numbers.

While the changes sound great on paper, the actual power level of Dragonknight still feels weak. The new heal feels underpowered — even as an AoE, it lacks the raw healing output that other classes can achieve with their primary heals, making it hard to justify given its cost and intended role in the kit. Superheated Ward also feels very weak, which is disappointing. The Power Lash morph of Whip feels bad due to the cooldown, and the healing attached to it feels too low to justify the restriction.

On a positive note, I’m really glad the heart visual is being addressed — that’s genuinely great to see. Improving the spikes also went a long way with the community. If the plate/backpack element could be removed, I think many of us would strongly prefer a return closer to the original spike visuals.

I’m encouraged by the existence of this thread, I appreciate the response to our feedback.