Warden Charm Needs Addressed

SneaK · January 15

How does this skill still exist in its current state?
Has ZOS ever said a word about it?

It is single handedly the most OP, buggy, frustrating skill in PvP. 10 years in the meat grinder and I can’t think of a more annoying skill less skill.

Gabriel_H · January 15

Warden class refresh is coming in 5/6 months.

SneaK · January 15

Gabriel_H wrote: »

Warden class refresh is coming in 5/6 months.

It’s just a class mastery skill though, they didn’t touch DKs. Like why would we have to endure it for that long, it’s one script. The fact that ZOS doesn’t ever comment on it seems they believe it’s okay, which is wild. At this point it’s borderline game breaking, evidence, every “comp’d” build outside of a bomber is warden base class. It’s very limiting and character specific.

Gabriel_H · January 15

SneaK wrote: »

Gabriel_H wrote: »

Warden class refresh is coming in 5/6 months.

It’s just a class mastery skill though, they didn’t touch DKs. Like why would we have to endure it for that long, it’s one script. The fact that ZOS doesn’t ever comment on it seems they believe it’s okay, which is wild. At this point it’s borderline game breaking, evidence, every “comp’d” build outside of a bomber is warden base class. It’s very limiting and character specific.

I'm not saying it doesn't need changing, just pointing out it's unlikely any major changes will come around Warden until the refresh.

SneaK · January 15

Gabriel_H wrote: »

SneaK wrote: »

Gabriel_H wrote: »

Warden class refresh is coming in 5/6 months.

It’s just a class mastery skill though, they didn’t touch DKs. Like why would we have to endure it for that long, it’s one script. The fact that ZOS doesn’t ever comment on it seems they believe it’s okay, which is wild. At this point it’s borderline game breaking, evidence, every “comp’d” build outside of a bomber is warden base class. It’s very limiting and character specific.

I'm not saying it doesn't need changing, just pointing out it's unlikely any major changes will come around Warden until the refresh.

I know. Just can’t see it as a major change and if they are pushing updates on PTS, why not tweak it, it really should be a priority but they seemingly don’t see it that way.

Gabriel_H · January 15

SneaK wrote: »

Gabriel_H wrote: »

SneaK wrote: »

Gabriel_H wrote: »

Warden class refresh is coming in 5/6 months.

It’s just a class mastery skill though, they didn’t touch DKs. Like why would we have to endure it for that long, it’s one script. The fact that ZOS doesn’t ever comment on it seems they believe it’s okay, which is wild. At this point it’s borderline game breaking, evidence, every “comp’d” build outside of a bomber is warden base class. It’s very limiting and character specific.

I'm not saying it doesn't need changing, just pointing out it's unlikely any major changes will come around Warden until the refresh.

I know. Just can’t see it as a major change and if they are pushing updates on PTS, why not tweak it, it really should be a priority but they seemingly don’t see it that way.

Their priority should be, and seems to be, season zero. If the Season model fails you won't have to worry about charm, because the game will shutter. MS wields a nasty axe - it's way too OP and literally game breaking.

Kaltivael · January 15

huge AOE that is unblockable and undodgeable, definitely needs a nerf

SneaK · January 15

Gabriel_H wrote: »

SneaK wrote: »

Gabriel_H wrote: »

SneaK wrote: »

Gabriel_H wrote: »

Warden class refresh is coming in 5/6 months.

It’s just a class mastery skill though, they didn’t touch DKs. Like why would we have to endure it for that long, it’s one script. The fact that ZOS doesn’t ever comment on it seems they believe it’s okay, which is wild. At this point it’s borderline game breaking, evidence, every “comp’d” build outside of a bomber is warden base class. It’s very limiting and character specific.

I'm not saying it doesn't need changing, just pointing out it's unlikely any major changes will come around Warden until the refresh.

I know. Just can’t see it as a major change and if they are pushing updates on PTS, why not tweak it, it really should be a priority but they seemingly don’t see it that way.

Their priority should be, and seems to be, season zero. If the Season model fails you won't have to worry about charm, because the game will shutter. MS wields a nasty axe - it's way too OP and literally game breaking.

Cute, but no, balance should be the forefront of everything and always top priority. Changing charm would be a drop in the bucket of all the changes they are making.

OleResinHead · January 15

Charm is quite annoying skill

Thrasher91604 · January 15

You can just move out if it, for god’s sake. Ya know, avoid red circles.

OleResinHead · January 15

Thrasher91604 wrote: »

You can just move out if it, for god’s saje.

lol what??
That’s not how that skill works at all, and in theory sounds good until you have several charms all going off at once and your character just runs 20 feet away from battle randomly because of it

The_Meathead · January 15

A few days after Warden Charm hit, the PvP Discord I was on laughed about how ridiculous it was, and we all assumed it would be short-lived before a nerf. After all, a less buggy version of it had been removed years ago when it was an actual full Ability - and not just a single line of script to tack on a burst heal or contingency.

But here we are, so much later, and it's a part of most Ball Group's RoA pull stack and the get-out-of-jail-free tool of choice for every tower or rock *** or small man comp group in Cyrodiil.

I'm frankly floored it's lasted this long and it's certainly the reason Wardens are such a huge % of Cyrodiil's population, even in the days of Subclassing. I'd like to think it's identified by ZOS as problematic and on the chopping block, but sadly I feel like Gabriel is probably correct about timing (despite very much wanting it changed now, myself.)

Theignson · January 16

Terrible skill, repeats old bugs, drives people underground and into walls, hard to detect in a big battle.

But there have been dozens of posts and ZOS has not listened,

Thrasher91604 · January 16

OleResinHead wrote: »

Thrasher91604 wrote: »

You can just move out if it, for god’s saje.

lol what??
That’s not how that skill works at all, and in theory sounds good until you have several charms all going off at once and your character just runs 20 feet away from battle randomly because of it

Wrong. Are you that unobservant? No wonder you are having problems.

SneaK · January 16

Thrasher91604 wrote: »

OleResinHead wrote: »

Thrasher91604 wrote: »

You can just move out if it, for god’s saje.

lol what??
That’s not how that skill works at all, and in theory sounds good until you have several charms all going off at once and your character just runs 20 feet away from battle randomly because of it

Wrong. Are you that unobservant? No wonder you are having problems.

No way dood

nightbringer1993 · January 16

I made a thread on PTS concerning that and in case you do not know, next patch we will not be able to port out of IC to cyro if you own 100+ tel var. Those warden trolls will be even more toxic if they know we can't port out if stuck in a wall.

Soarora · January 16

I like charm… because it assists me as a casual PvPer. Hard-hitting player scaring me? Toss a charm at them and kill them with my not very good burst.

That is to say, I agree it’s overpowered. A respite from pressure should not be happening in the middle of combat. We already have slab for defense against ranged enemies and sleet storm/arctic blast for melee.