Only Vengeance getting extra benefits and PvP progression

L_Nici · January 14

Did anyone else notice this? Because I only realized now, that ONLY Vengeance PvP gets additional rewards, not the normal PvP

YandereGirlfriend · January 14

That would be highly unfair if the regular campaigns were iced-out from rewards.

Let's hope that this was simply an oversight in the patch notes....

L_Nici · January 14

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

That would be highly unfair if the regular campaigns were iced-out from rewards.

Let's hope that this was simply an oversight in the patch notes....

I hope so, because they said they want to have both campaigns together, now adding benefits for one, not the other, makes it look more like they want to get people to drop Grey Host.

heimdall14_9 · January 14

yeo you'll have to play and RANK up your vengeance ranking to get NEW awards

MincMincMinc · January 14

Well it states ingame events and vengeance campaigns probably to clarify that vengeance is seen as an event....although the last two didnt have any incentives.

I doubt they want this specialized currency to be bought out by ap or generic pvp gameplay.

L_Nici · January 14

MincMincMinc wrote: »

Well it states ingame events and vengeance campaigns probably to clarify that vengeance is seen as an event....although the last two didnt have any incentives.

I doubt they want this specialized currency to be bought out by ap or generic pvp gameplay.

Yeah but Vengeance won't be an Event Campaign next year. It will run permanently parallel to Grey Host. At least that was their preferred scenario.

MincMincMinc · January 14

L_Nici wrote: »

MincMincMinc wrote: »

Well it states ingame events and vengeance campaigns probably to clarify that vengeance is seen as an event....although the last two didnt have any incentives.

I doubt they want this specialized currency to be bought out by ap or generic pvp gameplay.

Yeah but Vengeance won't be an Event Campaign next year. It will run permanently parallel to Grey Host. At least that was their preferred scenario.

I think thats all still on the table, they said they are doing like 3 or 4 more planned tests. We are talking 9+months out in planning. Safe to assume they still view it as a special event.

aetherix8 · January 14

L_Nici wrote: »

MincMincMinc wrote: »

Well it states ingame events and vengeance campaigns probably to clarify that vengeance is seen as an event....although the last two didnt have any incentives.

I doubt they want this specialized currency to be bought out by ap or generic pvp gameplay.

Yeah but Vengeance won't be an Event Campaign next year. It will run permanently parallel to Grey Host. At least that was their preferred scenario.

Perhaps the devs changed their plan and won't be making it permanent this year already, but rather keep bringing it as an event while working on improving it in the meantime.

acastanza_ESO · January 14

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

That would be highly unfair if the regular campaigns were iced-out from rewards.

Let's hope that this was simply an oversight in the patch notes....

I feel like people missed this; that "New PVP Progression System" that was briefly mentioned in passing in the reveals? Yeah... Vengeance only

(Source: https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/69137)

Zero mention of anything for proper Cyrodiil

Avran_Sylt · January 14

acastanza_ESO wrote: »

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

That would be highly unfair if the regular campaigns were iced-out from rewards.

Let's hope that this was simply an oversight in the patch notes....

I feel like people missed this; that "New PVP Progression System" that was briefly mentioned in passing in the reveals? Yeah... Vengeance only

(Source: https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/69137)

Zero mention of anything for proper Cyrodiil

Well why would they do anything for Cyrodiil when the majority of players will have it all unlocked immediately if based on alliance rank? (And keep in mind Cyrodiil does have rank rewards already: Skill-points, dyes, and titles.)

Edit: and, well, the various amounts of AP unlockables/motifs/mounts/etc.

L_Nici · January 14

acastanza_ESO wrote: »

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

That would be highly unfair if the regular campaigns were iced-out from rewards.

Let's hope that this was simply an oversight in the patch notes....

I feel like people missed this; that "New PVP Progression System" that was briefly mentioned in passing in the reveals? Yeah... Vengeance only

(Source: https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/69137)

Zero mention of anything for proper Cyrodiil

Thats awful...I was so happy as they announced that new system and now we won'T even get it? Thats mean.

acastanza_ESO · January 14

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

acastanza_ESO wrote: »

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

That would be highly unfair if the regular campaigns were iced-out from rewards.

Let's hope that this was simply an oversight in the patch notes....

I feel like people missed this; that "New PVP Progression System" that was briefly mentioned in passing in the reveals? Yeah... Vengeance only

(Source: https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/69137)

Zero mention of anything for proper Cyrodiil

Well why would they do anything for Cyrodiil when the majority of players will have it all unlocked immediately if based on alliance rank? (And keep in mind Cyrodiil does have rank rewards already: Skill-points, dyes, and titles.)

Edit: and, well, the various amounts of AP unlockables/motifs/mounts/etc.

What does that have to do with anything at all? Why on earth would they base a new progression system on alliance rank or AP? Most people who PVP regularly already have all those things like you said, which is the entire point of adding new rewards. Your comment makes a huge assumption that simply doesn't make any sense.

Avran_Sylt · January 15

acastanza_ESO wrote: »

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

acastanza_ESO wrote: »

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

That would be highly unfair if the regular campaigns were iced-out from rewards.

Let's hope that this was simply an oversight in the patch notes....

I feel like people missed this; that "New PVP Progression System" that was briefly mentioned in passing in the reveals? Yeah... Vengeance only

(Source: https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/69137)

Zero mention of anything for proper Cyrodiil

Well why would they do anything for Cyrodiil when the majority of players will have it all unlocked immediately if based on alliance rank? (And keep in mind Cyrodiil does have rank rewards already: Skill-points, dyes, and titles.)

Edit: and, well, the various amounts of AP unlockables/motifs/mounts/etc.

What does that have to do with anything at all? Why on earth would they base a new progression system on alliance rank or AP? Most people who PVP regularly already have all those things like you said, which is the entire point of adding new rewards. Your comment makes a huge assumption that simply doesn't make any sense.

To leverage existing systems to provide said rewards without needing to remake a whole new progression system?

Mayrael · January 15

[...] Self edit. I was saying they’re trying to force Vengeance down our throats as the new Cyrodiil, [...]. Pfff…

ZOS_JessicaFolsom · January 15

Hi everyone! Thanks for calling out these questions and concerns. These two pieces of messaging could have been worded more clearly, and we are making edits to both. Here's what the edits will be:

For the forum post, we are changing "and Vengeance Campaigns" to "PvP progression system coming up called Veterancy"

For the article, we are changing the current text to this:

Veterancy PvP Progression System
Rank up and earn new rewards, such as unique visuals for armor and weapons alongside new titles, regardless of whether you PVP in Battlegrounds, the Imperial City, or Cyrodiil's campaigns. For Vengeance, specifically, you'll also earn new Vengeance-specific Perks through the Veterancy system.

DaisyRay · January 15

Nobody really wants vengeance. I’m genuinely excited about a lot of the updates coming, and I think ZOS did a great job delivering on things we’ve been asking for. But vengeance feels like it’s going to be a waste of time and effort.

People complain a lot, sure, but no one is actually choosing vengeance over GH or even BR. Just being honest. I’d hate to see them pour money, time, and energy into it only for the whole thing to flop.

MorallyBipolar · January 15

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

acastanza_ESO wrote: »

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

That would be highly unfair if the regular campaigns were iced-out from rewards.

Let's hope that this was simply an oversight in the patch notes....

I feel like people missed this; that "New PVP Progression System" that was briefly mentioned in passing in the reveals? Yeah... Vengeance only

(Source: https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/69137)

Zero mention of anything for proper Cyrodiil

Well why would they do anything for Cyrodiil when the majority of players will have it all unlocked immediately if based on alliance rank? (And keep in mind Cyrodiil does have rank rewards already: Skill-points, dyes, and titles.)

Edit: and, well, the various amounts of AP unlockables/motifs/mounts/etc.

Because Cyrodiil is the original end game content. Many of us quit playing a toon when we get to GO and start a new one. This gives us experience with a different class and allows us and progress a new character through the system. We don't just play one toon forever.

Besides that, most of the PvP community will never play vengeance. We just won't.

MorallyBipolar · January 15

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hi everyone! Thanks for calling out these questions and concerns. These two pieces of messaging could have been worded more clearly, and we are making edits to both. Here's what the edits will be:

For the forum post, we are changing "and Vengeance Campaigns" to "PvP progression system coming up called Veterancy"

For the article, we are changing the current text to this:

Veterancy PvP Progression System
Rank up and earn new rewards, such as unique visuals for armor and weapons alongside new titles, regardless of whether you PVP in Battlegrounds, the Imperial City, or Cyrodiil's campaigns. For Vengeance, specifically, you'll also earn new Vengeance-specific Perks through the Veterancy system.

"Vengeance specific perks" is the tell and the problem.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO · January 15

MorallyBipolar wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hi everyone! Thanks for calling out these questions and concerns. These two pieces of messaging could have been worded more clearly, and we are making edits to both. Here's what the edits will be:

For the forum post, we are changing "and Vengeance Campaigns" to "PvP progression system coming up called Veterancy"

For the article, we are changing the current text to this:

Veterancy PvP Progression System
Rank up and earn new rewards, such as unique visuals for armor and weapons alongside new titles, regardless of whether you PVP in Battlegrounds, the Imperial City, or Cyrodiil's campaigns. For Vengeance, specifically, you'll also earn new Vengeance-specific Perks through the Veterancy system.

"Vengeance specific perks" is the tell and the problem.

Why would you need Vengeance specific perks to slot in the Vengeance Perk system if you're not playing in Vengeance? Its fine if it has it's own progression system provided it doesn't affect the rest of the game / pvp.

MorallyBipolar · January 15

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

MorallyBipolar wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hi everyone! Thanks for calling out these questions and concerns. These two pieces of messaging could have been worded more clearly, and we are making edits to both. Here's what the edits will be:

For the forum post, we are changing "and Vengeance Campaigns" to "PvP progression system coming up called Veterancy"

For the article, we are changing the current text to this:

Veterancy PvP Progression System
Rank up and earn new rewards, such as unique visuals for armor and weapons alongside new titles, regardless of whether you PVP in Battlegrounds, the Imperial City, or Cyrodiil's campaigns. For Vengeance, specifically, you'll also earn new Vengeance-specific Perks through the Veterancy system.

"Vengeance specific perks" is the tell and the problem.

Why would you need Vengeance specific perks to slot in the Vengeance Perk system if you're not playing in Vengeance? Its fine if it has it's own progression system provided it doesn't affect the rest of the game / pvp.

It means zos is working on vengeance but not working on fixing anything GH. That's the problem.

acastanza_ESO · January 15

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hi everyone! Thanks for calling out these questions and concerns. These two pieces of messaging could have been worded more clearly, and we are making edits to both. Here's what the edits will be:

For the forum post, we are changing "and Vengeance Campaigns" to "PvP progression system coming up called Veterancy"

For the article, we are changing the current text to this:

Veterancy PvP Progression System
Rank up and earn new rewards, such as unique visuals for armor and weapons alongside new titles, regardless of whether you PVP in Battlegrounds, the Imperial City, or Cyrodiil's campaigns. For Vengeance, specifically, you'll also earn new Vengeance-specific Perks through the Veterancy system.

Awesome! Really appreciate the clarification! My guilds were really disappointed to see that line that the progression system seemed to be just Vengeance and hearing that that isn't true after all is great news!

edward_frigidhands · January 19

Looks like "scenario 2" might be on the horizon whether we like it or not.