Resources from Heavy Attack and Hybridization

CaptainVenom · January 10

Shouldn't ZOS take a look at how the resource restored from Heavy Attacks functions in order to better low hybrid builds? I mean, picture this: you are using a hybrid build that includes both magicka and stamina skills, but you are dual wielding, which will restore Stamina only.

What if, let's say, it could restore or maximum resource instead or, at least, if you have higher magicka than stamina and are dual wielding, it would restore 50/50 Magicka and Stamina instead of 100% Stamina only. If you have higher stamina and are using stamina-based weapons, it will restore stamina only. I've tried some hybrid builds and this seemed to me as a pain point. Other than that, it felt nice.

This change would make hybrid builds a little nicer to play, and for pure magicka or stamina builds, it should stay the same. Thoughts?

Gabriel_H · January 10

CaptainVenom wrote: »

I mean, picture this: you are using a hybrid build that includes both magicka and stamina skills, but you are dual wielding, which will restore Stamina only.

You have 2 weapon bars!

CaptainVenom · January 10

Gabriel_H wrote: »

CaptainVenom wrote: »

I mean, picture this: you are using a hybrid build that includes both magicka and stamina skills, but you are dual wielding, which will restore Stamina only.

You have 2 weapon bars!

Allow me to add a little bit more of information: what if I'm using Oakensoul Ring too?

LunaFlora · January 10

i think it would be very helpful

Major_Mangle · January 10

CaptainVenom wrote: »

Gabriel_H wrote: »

CaptainVenom wrote: »

I mean, picture this: you are using a hybrid build that includes both magicka and stamina skills, but you are dual wielding, which will restore Stamina only.

You have 2 weapon bars!

Allow me to add a little bit more of information: what if I'm using Oakensoul Ring too?

Then that's the trade off you pay for using that mythic.

PeacefulAnarchy · January 10

CaptainVenom wrote: »

Gabriel_H wrote: »

CaptainVenom wrote: »

I mean, picture this: you are using a hybrid build that includes both magicka and stamina skills, but you are dual wielding, which will restore Stamina only.

You have 2 weapon bars!

Allow me to add a little bit more of information: what if I'm using Oakensoul Ring too?

Then you zos wants you to use:
a weapon that matches what you need
different skills
potions
enchants
all these sustain sets that they make that no one uses

It is true that the drawbacks of all these things can be big, but the drawbacks of heavy attacking on non-ha builds is also not negligeable.

I'm not saying your suggestion is bad, I think it is a reasonable one, I just don't think zos sees it that way. They would see that pain point as a tradeoff you are choosing. They are very much into tradeoffs, even if they keep making unbalanced tradeoffs the options.

Gabriel_H · January 10

CaptainVenom wrote: »

Gabriel_H wrote: »

CaptainVenom wrote: »

I mean, picture this: you are using a hybrid build that includes both magicka and stamina skills, but you are dual wielding, which will restore Stamina only.

You have 2 weapon bars!

Allow me to add a little bit more of information: what if I'm using Oakensoul Ring too?

So you want:
Empower
Major Brutality
Major Prophecy
Major Resolve
Major Savagery
Major Sorcery
Minor Aegis
Minor Berserk
Minor Courage
Minor Force
Minor Fortitude
Minor Heroism
Minor Mending
Minor Protection
Minor Slayer
Minor Intellect
Minor Endurance

AND extra regen on top of the Minor Intellect/Endurance? Really?!

CaptainVenom · January 10

Gabriel_H wrote: »

CaptainVenom wrote: »

Gabriel_H wrote: »

CaptainVenom wrote: »

I mean, picture this: you are using a hybrid build that includes both magicka and stamina skills, but you are dual wielding, which will restore Stamina only.

You have 2 weapon bars!

Allow me to add a little bit more of information: what if I'm using Oakensoul Ring too?

So you want:
Empower
Major Brutality
Major Prophecy
Major Resolve
Major Savagery
Major Sorcery
Minor Aegis
Minor Berserk
Minor Courage
Minor Force
Minor Fortitude
Minor Heroism
Minor Mending
Minor Protection
Minor Slayer
Minor Intellect
Minor Endurance

AND extra regen on top of the Minor Intellect/Endurance? Really?!

Okay, so I'm a pure build magicka wearing Oakensoul Ring and a Lightning Staff and I have the HA Magicka Restore from it. Does my build deserve to be punished?

PeacefulAnarchy · January 10

CaptainVenom wrote: »

Gabriel_H wrote: »

CaptainVenom wrote: »

Gabriel_H wrote: »

CaptainVenom wrote: »

I mean, picture this: you are using a hybrid build that includes both magicka and stamina skills, but you are dual wielding, which will restore Stamina only.

You have 2 weapon bars!

Allow me to add a little bit more of information: what if I'm using Oakensoul Ring too?

So you want:
Empower
Major Brutality
Major Prophecy
Major Resolve
Major Savagery
Major Sorcery
Minor Aegis
Minor Berserk
Minor Courage
Minor Force
Minor Fortitude
Minor Heroism
Minor Mending
Minor Protection
Minor Slayer
Minor Intellect
Minor Endurance

AND extra regen on top of the Minor Intellect/Endurance? Really?!

Okay, so I'm a pure build magicka wearing Oakensoul Ring and a Lightning Staff and I have the HA Magicka Restore from it. Does my build deserve to be punished?

Punished compared to what? You certainly shouldn't have mag issues on such a build, and if you have stam issues then you have the option of running a mag skill instead of a stam skill, stam potions or tripots, or an absorb stamina enchant, all three of which should not significantly affect your build. There are other more drastic options, of course.

Edit: also this situation where your weapon matches your max stat would not be affected by the proposal in your first post so I'm confused now.

Gabriel_H · January 10

CaptainVenom wrote: »

Gabriel_H wrote: »

CaptainVenom wrote: »

Gabriel_H wrote: »

CaptainVenom wrote: »

I mean, picture this: you are using a hybrid build that includes both magicka and stamina skills, but you are dual wielding, which will restore Stamina only.

You have 2 weapon bars!

Allow me to add a little bit more of information: what if I'm using Oakensoul Ring too?

So you want:
Empower
Major Brutality
Major Prophecy
Major Resolve
Major Savagery
Major Sorcery
Minor Aegis
Minor Berserk
Minor Courage
Minor Force
Minor Fortitude
Minor Heroism
Minor Mending
Minor Protection
Minor Slayer
Minor Intellect
Minor Endurance

AND extra regen on top of the Minor Intellect/Endurance? Really?!

Okay, so I'm a pure build magicka wearing Oakensoul Ring and a Lightning Staff and I have the HA Magicka Restore from it. Does my build deserve to be punished?

That's the consequences of taking Oakensoul, just like all myhics there is a cost and/or it's a situational use. It would be like me complaining that I have 0 block mitigation with Gaze of Sithis.

CaptainVenom · January 10

" wrote:

I'm confused now.

No wonder you are. Oakensoul Ring isn't even the subject and concept of this post. I'm trying to propose a concept where resources restored (at least partially) matches your max resource, either Magicka or Stamina. This links to the "Play how you want" motto from ZOS that led us into hybridization: not having matching resource restored prevent hybrid builds from working at its fullest. Oakensoul is just a specific scenario for when backbar for a different, resource-matching weapon isn't an option.

Gabriel_H wrote: »

That's the consequences of taking Oakensoul, just like all myhics there is a cost and/or it's a situational use. It would be like me complaining that I have 0 block mitigation with Gaze of Sithis.

That is not the point.

Erickson9610 · January 10

Werewolves can't restore Magicka with their Heavy Attacks. They have no way to directly restore Magicka, which is used for their only on-demand healing ability.

Cooperharley · January 10

I like the system for restoring resources the way that it is. If I see, in the elder scrolls universe, a barbaric looking player charging me with a 2H axe, I'll know I need to create distance because they're largely a stamina/melee based build (off first glance). Convoluting this and allowing axes to restore magicka is a little too odd for me personally. It's not a punishment, it's a tradeoff.

If you want to create a hybrid build of sorts, where you are said barbarian for example, and you want to use magicka based skills as well to switch it up, bring tri stat or magicka potions and use the atronach mundus for instance. Or use a set that enables you to restore magicka quickly while you heavy attack with your 2h axe to restore stamina.

I don't see ZOS ever going the route of allowing every weapon to 50/50 restore resources or choose a resource. I personally would not like them to either.

If you then want to use oakensoul on top of this rather than back barring a weapon that can restore magicka, you need to heed my advice even further as that'll be the best way to go.

Gabriel_H · January 10

CaptainVenom wrote: »

" wrote:

I'm confused now.

No wonder you are. Oakensoul Ring isn't even the subject and concept of this post. I'm trying to propose a concept where resources restored (at least partially) matches your max resource, either Magicka or Stamina. This links to the "Play how you want" motto from ZOS that led us into hybridization: not having matching resource restored prevent hybrid builds from working at its fullest. Oakensoul is just a specific scenario for when backbar for a different, resource-matching weapon isn't an option.

Gabriel_H wrote: »

That's the consequences of taking Oakensoul, just like all myhics there is a cost and/or it's a situational use. It would be like me complaining that I have 0 block mitigation with Gaze of Sithis.

That is not the point.

And again, you have two weapon bars. If you choose to use a Mythic it will have a down side, that's their design.

Radiate77 · January 10

CaptainVenom wrote: »

Gabriel_H wrote: »

CaptainVenom wrote: »

Gabriel_H wrote: »

CaptainVenom wrote: »

I mean, picture this: you are using a hybrid build that includes both magicka and stamina skills, but you are dual wielding, which will restore Stamina only.

You have 2 weapon bars!

Allow me to add a little bit more of information: what if I'm using Oakensoul Ring too?

So you want:
Empower
Major Brutality
Major Prophecy
Major Resolve
Major Savagery
Major Sorcery
Minor Aegis
Minor Berserk
Minor Courage
Minor Force
Minor Fortitude
Minor Heroism
Minor Mending
Minor Protection
Minor Slayer
Minor Intellect
Minor Endurance

AND extra regen on top of the Minor Intellect/Endurance? Really?!

Okay, so I'm a pure build magicka wearing Oakensoul Ring and a Lightning Staff and I have the HA Magicka Restore from it. Does my build deserve to be punished?

Keep an eye on Hyperioxes’ YouTube Channel.

He’s been working on Heavy Attack builds for a variety of weapons, including a Greatsword that would conveniently enough restore Stamina when you heavy attack.

One of the benefits of a Greatsword build, would be that your Heavy Attacks will cleave much more efficiently than Lightning Staves after the change to them a year or two ago.

DenverRalphy · January 10

Combat in ESO has suffered enough from hybridization/homogenization and has become dull as a result. Let's not dumb it down even further.

There was a time when Theorycrafting was a key element of gaming, and it was oh so exciting. I miss those days.

Soarora · January 10

Heavy attacks restoring resources instead of taking resources already doesn’t make a whole lot of sense flavor-wise, although it makes sense mechanically.

Magicka gain using stamina weapons doesn’t make sense flavor-wise or mechanically. You shouldn’t even need to heavy attack as a DPS for sustain, if you do, something’s went wrong with your build (too many abilities of one attribute cost, need to swap some armor weight, potions, food, CP, enchants…).

Only ways it’d make sense is to make the magicka restore enchant also make heavy attacks give you magicka or…

Erickson9610 wrote: »

Werewolves can't restore Magicka with their Heavy Attacks. They have no way to directly restore Magicka, which is used for their only on-demand healing ability.

Can let werewolves gain magicka from heavy attacks somehow based on them being a magical creature.