randconfig wrote: »

Also as a victim of said harassment and assault irl, I find it offensive to compare this, tbagging in PvP, and any other virtual game action to the real world thing.

This I think needs reiterated anytime topics like this are brought up.

I was a bit weirded out when it was revealed, I genuinely don’t know why anyone would need to be able to hide their chest and pants. I think this will just lead to an increase in people running around either naked or in suggestive clothing (I’ve seen people in the bank who appear to be wearing a sexual device due to being pantless and choosing a specific top). Doesn’t help that I find the default underwear immersion-breaking. It looks too modern.

Syldras wrote: »

Soarora wrote: »

Doesn’t help that I find the default underwear immersion-breaking. It looks too modern.

If people are concerned about the current underwear, I'm not sure whether this was better...
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:The_Men's_Bath_MET_DP816942.jpg

LOL, I mean, I find the mens beastfolk briefs to be fine. I’d rather loincloths and wrappings or stays. Or at least change the design and color from black to brown or tan. Or green, like Skyrim.

Nothing should be removed because someone stood in the same spot as you with no pants on in a game. And thrill of exposure? Just remember that was your thought not theirs.

I have always found it ridiculous that there are so many body markings but no truly revealing clothing. What we need is tasteful truly skimpy clothing/armour for the outfit station/costumes.

Being able to be 'naked' isn't actually naked, it's just underwear. Pair that with some amazing body markings and what's the problem? Might look goofy but cool at the same time.

As far as sexual harassment goes, that happens regardless of what a female is wearing.

scrappy1342 wrote: »

i think maybe a better solution would be to change the no pants look to have more covering

Wouldn't that lead to problems with the underwear showing beneath some costumes (barbarian or gladiator style, for example)?

Syldras wrote: »

scrappy1342 wrote: »

i think maybe a better solution would be to change the no pants look to have more covering

Wouldn't that lead to problems with the underwear showing beneath some costumes (barbarian or gladiator style, for example)?

it shouldn't? gear/costume should override boxers. if you have something that would currently show fragments of the current underwear, does it show them now?

allochthons wrote: »

I totally get why people want to hide legs. I want to show off my skins and body markings, too!
But if you do, please, please, change the default underwear to something less tight and revealing. Even something like the default underwear on male khajiit would be enough.

For example, I was in the IC sewer base on a female character, in a non-revealing, non-sexy outfit. Another character came and stood right on top of me. I moved away, and asked them if they were wanting to group. No answer, and they came and stood on top of me again. I moved away to a place you would NOT randomly moved to, and again they came and stood on top of me. That's when I realized they didn't have any legs equipped.

I don't know why this triggers the same thrill that exposure does, but it sure seems to. Please. Don't allow this.

Yes, I reported the player.

It's disturbing and unpleasant. Have you tried using, say, Questionable Meat Sack memento in response?

spartaxoxo wrote: »

AScarlato wrote: »

If someone wanted to harass you not wearing any clothes they can already do so now, by taking off their armor.

We shouldn't be limited in our options just because a small number of people may be annoying. That's what reporting and the TOS is for.

There's a massive difference in scale when it doesn't cost power. At least in my past experience. Again, I can't speak to others experience.

"I was in IC sewer base" you can tap one button on dressing room addon and completely strip and there is no combat in the base.

If anything the male Khajiit boxer shorts should be changed to a thong or tighty whities, You cant even make a decent Conan the Barbarian outfit for goodness sake.

Syldras wrote: »

scrappy1342 wrote: »

oh. well that's just silly. the clothing should override what's under it. that's how it works in every other game i have played

I think (from what I remember, it's been a while that I used the character creation screen) it's not even "actual" clothing but part of the skin texture? So they can't just remove it.

they make so many weird choices in this game

No one can claim that Hiding Legs will 100% cause "more issues". People can already remove their Leg piece, and respectfully, no one who's actually deadset on harassing is going to be dissuaded from doing it by a couple of seconds' worth of clicking to remove their current Leg piece. People who are doing this behavior are going to do it regardless, and asking for a feature to not be added because of a chance it might let people do what they can already do isn't one I agree with.

Saying "but now they can have their Legs PERMA bared" isn't, imo, a very strong argument. People who weren't sexually harassing people previously aren't going to look at this and go "well it's time to starting harassing folks". The only ones who will use it to do that will be people who were already taking a couple of seconds to do it anyway by manually removing their Leg piece.

And really, someone who's set on harassing people probably doesn't ever put their Leg piece on in order to bother with taking it off later anyway.

Just a thought... perhaps the solution here is somewhat more simple wonderful ... they add an option in game (similar to the profanity filter) that allows us to choose whether we want to see naked people.

If we say no, it's toggled off, naked/hidden pieces get a default look (maybe the original armour they're wearing)... only legitimate styles are permitted, etc. The default underwear is more "robust" on everyone.

If we say yes, then anyone can strip off, wander around in the nude, and we don't care. In this scenario the default underwear can be more "skimpy" and the "hide" options are honoured.

The option can be defaulted to the safe "no nudity" option. We can choose to turn it on.

At the end of the day, most of our desire to show off our body markings and be naked is for our own benefit, not necessarily that of other players we don't know (unless it's guild members/friends, so maybe that option can be adjusted based on guild/friend membership... oh dear, now I'm designing a whole new system to be implemented).

[EDIT: NB: This obviously doesn't solve/address the harassment issue, not sure how that can be solved without reporting individual players... it would mean those of us that can see that behaviour reporting people on behalf of others etc.... just like in RL.]

TheMajority wrote: »

I would like to suggest a solution to this problem that still allows for hide legs to be implemented.

It is a solution that other games also have.

When you "block" a player through the report feature, have it so that it not only silences the player, but also makes their entire character disappear so that you cannot see anything they are doing. Additionally, when you block them, they will not be able to see you or interact with you at all.

While this might not work in PVP zones, there is no down side in PVE zones where seeing other players is not necessary.

That, or make a toggle where you cannot see others disable their clothing.

Honestly they could use a performance mode for a lot reasons. Default outfits and other cosmetics based on race or class. No flashy effects.

It would help people improve their own performance in PvP and trials most likely (does in a lot of games anyway). Would be accessibility friendly for people who get migraines and the like from the big flashy effects or just plain don't like them and find it immersion breaking. It would help with this. They could leave your character the same.

There's just so many issues a performance mode would solve.

spartaxoxo wrote: »

TheMajority wrote: »

I would like to suggest a solution to this problem that still allows for hide legs to be implemented.

It is a solution that other games also have.

When you "block" a player through the report feature, have it so that it not only silences the player, but also makes their entire character disappear so that you cannot see anything they are doing. Additionally, when you block them, they will not be able to see you or interact with you at all.

While this might not work in PVP zones, there is no down side in PVE zones where seeing other players is not necessary.

That, or make a toggle where you cannot see others disable their clothing.

Honestly they could use a performance mode for a lot reasons. Default outfits and other cosmetics based on race or class. No flashy effects.

It would help people improve their own performance in PvP and trials most likely (does in a lot of games anyway). Would be accessibility friendly for people who get migraines and the like from the big flashy effects or just plain don't like them and find it immersion breaking. It would help with this. They could leave your character the same.

There's just so many issues a performance mode would solve.

yeah, I agree with that, actually. In another game I play, you can set all characters to default except those in your party and friends list, so that if you're a roleplayer or want to recognize individual friends, you can, while everyone else is loaded in with a generic race specific gear. It really helps with performance in large events.

I was surprised they are allowing players to hide pants. I can understand chest pieces so players can show off their markings and tattoos, but pants is just making it easier for immature players to harass others.