Are you certain they didn’t use a detect pot?

Detect pots don't pull you out of stealth, they just allow the user to see stealthed enemies and hit them with direct damage to pull them out of stealth.

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

React wrote: »

Detect pots don't pull you out of stealth, they just allow the user to see stealthed enemies and hit them with direct damage to pull them out of stealth.

According to UESP https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Invisibility:

Invisibility causes you to be undetectable by enemies for a short time, instantly entering stealth. This effect differs from traditional stealth in that it is not broken by damage over time effects or an enemy's detection radius. An invisible enemy can still be revealed through the use of stealth suppressing abilities or damage from ground-targeted effects.

Being invisible through the Unnatural Movement for vampires and Nightblade cloak, stealth detection radius and DOTs don't force people out of invisibility nor can they be seen. I was invisible through the Vampire invisibility, so I'm pretty sure.

Your detection radius, which is what is referred to in this article, is the base radius which you pull crouched players from stealth when they are not using shadowy disguise or vamp 4 invis. It is what gets increased by certain things like the CP passive, medium armor passive, etc.

Detection pots grant you a buff called detection, which allows you to see stealthed enemies without pulling them from stealth. You can then attack them directly with direct damage, dots, etc, which will then pull them from stealth.

There are two different mechanics of invisibility. Since people often name these things differently, I'll stick with the following naming convention:

- stealth - invisibility when you crouch. This is easily revealed, as an enemy can come close to you to see you.
- detection radius - the radius within which you can detect a stealthing enemy (i.e., come close and see the enemy crouching).
- invisibility ("true Invisibility") - invisibility granted by a skill (like a nightblade's Cloak, a Vampire's sprint, or an Invisibility Potion). It cannot be revealed by an enemy simply coming close, as stated on UESP (and this is true), but it STILL CAN BE REVEALED by:
- detection potions (and there is no way to know if a person has used one. Well, you will know when you receive damage from them :P)
- skills (like Revealing Flare)
- sets (like the Sentry set)

Each method has its own revealing radius in which it can see an invisible enemy, so if you run far away, detection potion will not be able to reveal you. Each method also works differently: for example, Revealing Flare removes invisibility from target completely, while a detection potion allows you to see target but does not remove invisibility from target and nightblade's Piercing Mark allows you to see a marked target but does not remove the target's invisibility as well.

So, to detect you, this person is using potions (most likely). I can show you how it works if you want, or you can find information online, or if you have friends in game, ask them to help you with testing, just use NB's cloak to get invisibility and try to use detection potion, NB's Mark and Revealing Flare to see what they do. Hf!

Or they were wearing the Sentry set, which allows you to see everyone, regardless of stealth:

Bonuses
2 items: Adds 25-1096 Maximum Stamina
3 items: Adds 3-129 Weapon and Spell Damage
4 items: Adds 15-657 Critical Chance
5 items: Adds 6-266 Weapon and Spell Damage
5 items: When you begin to crouch, gain Stealth Detection for 10 seconds. This effect can only be activated every 30 seconds.

I've used it to see nightblades and vamps in ImpCity.

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

You ever heard of the Sentry set?

Best to fully understand the relevant mechanics before throwing around accusations like that.

I am sure that the game has some small percentage of cheaters but 99% of the time accusations are made by players who simply do not understand the game at the proper level.

Yes I have heard of it. Yes I know detect pots are a thing. I just didn't know one could see invisible players with the set and Stealth detection, just the usual crouched-stealth ones.

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

Yeah yall were right. I tested it with a friend who's on an opposite faction, and they could see me without bringing me out of stealth. It was just a first for me tbh, for that to happen. Played more seriously since late 2016, and that was the first time someone's done that. I'm not a turbo sweat in PVP though, so such nuances are still a mystery to me.

Welcome to the reality of comp. ESO PvP. Where everyone is a tank because of this kind of (not/yes/really but c'mon class design in PvP) BS.

Everyone moaning about Vengeance is someone already in the "meta build" for current ESO... (I get build design I love theory crafting, but, there is a meta build if you theory craft FFS, and the disparity between theory crafted and non-theory crafted builds is an issue for onboarding).

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

And I have always been a hater/supporter for Detect pots.
1: They're too powerful for their cost (given range).
2: They're not ubiquitous enough (you can't spend alliance points to buy them).
I say this as a glass cannon player who uses invisibility/Illusion School of magic. (since potions have opportunity cost with use, with cooldown).

Genuinely wonder why the Alliance Health Draughts don't have detection but rather invisibility.

I also very much wonder if seeing invisible players with stealth detection is intended or not, cause there's nowhere that states that should or should not be the case. At least as far as I know, anyways.

Oblivion_Protocol wrote: »

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

Genuinely wonder why the Alliance Health Draughts don't have detection but rather invisibility.

I also very much wonder if seeing invisible players with stealth detection is intended or not, cause there's nowhere that states that should or should not be the case. At least as far as I know, anyways.

Alliance health draughts have invisibility because they’re intended for survival. The idea is to get back some health, then go invisible to hide and heal up.

Seeing invisible players with stealth detection is absolutely intended. Before ZoS changed how Nightblade cloak worked, the forums were filled with debates about countering invisibility, because some NB builds could essentially be invisible for as long as they wanted to be. Invisible NB scavengers are a solid part of the reason Imperial City is as dead as it is now (and I say that as someone who has played a high-damage, high-sustain Magblade to absolutely delete people in IC like an NPC in a shadowy corner during a Dark Brotherhood quest).

Aye I didn't even think about that. Fair point. Could at least use an in-game descriptor on like Stealth Detection to say that it'll allow you to see invisible characters, but it won't pull them out of stealth. Would help people like me who aren't the most aware (thanks to the weird brain of mine) be more aware of subtle mechs like that.