I bet the say no crowd are the same people that will cry most if ESO goes F2P!

Tannakaobi · May 2014

No to small scale PVP
No to Dueling
No to Balancing
No to higher XP in PVP
No to Arena's
No to Auction Houses
No to dueling area's
No to bloody everything...

You mean no to all the things that will keep people playing over time. In only a month most people have completed all the quests at least once.
So what now? Should everyone stop the subscription and just come back when the new content is here which will no doubt take another month to complete?

I love parts of the ESO experience, but it needs filling out big time. There is nothing to do but quest... That's a problem.

Before the TES crowd come in and start saying TES is all about questing, stop and think. They took the step to make an MMO, at which point it stopped being about just questing and lore and became a massively multi-player experience. Currently it is neither multi-player, nor massive. In fact the only thing massive is the void in PVP and the number of bots running around.

I'm board and the biggest reason is because I am being forced to quest before I even start on PVP and it's not like I just need to get to 50. No, I need to do every bloody quest the the game.... What!! Have ZeniMax just completely missed what makes PVPer's want to play?

After questing all this time, I am pretty familiar with my class and would like to try another, maybe a caster. Wait... I have to do EVERY quest in the game AGAIN!!!

magickats242cub18_ESO · May 2014

Hi Board! Nice to meet you!

Niliu · May 2014

Tannakaobi wrote: »

No to small scale PVP
No to Dueling
No to Balancing
No to higher XP in PVP
No to Arena's
No to Auction Houses
No to dueling area's
No to bloody everything...

You mean no to all the things that will keep people playing over time. In only a month most people have completed all the quests at least once.
So what now? Should everyone stop the subscription and just come back when the new content is here which will no doubt take another month to complete?

I love parts of the ESO experience, but it needs filling out big time. There is nothing to do but quest... That's a problem.

Before the TES crowd come in and start saying TES is all about questing, stop and think. They took the step to make an MMO, at which point it stopped being about just questing and lore and became a massively multi-player experience. Currently it is neither multi-player, nor massive. In fact the only thing massive is the void in PVP and the number of bots running around.

I'm board and the biggest reason is because I am being forced to quest before I even start on PVP and it's not like I just need to get to 50. No, I need to do every bloody quest the the game.... What!! Have ZeniMax just completely missed what makes PVPer's want to play?

After questing all this time, I am pretty familiar with my class and would like to try another, maybe a caster. Wait... I have to do EVERY quest in the game AGAIN!!!

You're board? I've always wanted to meet a plank of wood.

Tannakaobi · May 2014

Niliu wrote: »

Tannakaobi wrote: »

No to small scale PVP
No to Dueling
No to Balancing
No to higher XP in PVP
No to Arena's
No to Auction Houses
No to dueling area's
No to bloody everything...

You mean no to all the things that will keep people playing over time. In only a month most people have completed all the quests at least once.
So what now? Should everyone stop the subscription and just come back when the new content is here which will no doubt take another month to complete?

I love parts of the ESO experience, but it needs filling out big time. There is nothing to do but quest... That's a problem.

Before the TES crowd come in and start saying TES is all about questing, stop and think. They took the step to make an MMO, at which point it stopped being about just questing and lore and became a massively multi-player experience. Currently it is neither multi-player, nor massive. In fact the only thing massive is the void in PVP and the number of bots running around.

I'm board and the biggest reason is because I am being forced to quest before I even start on PVP and it's not like I just need to get to 50. No, I need to do every bloody quest the the game.... What!! Have ZeniMax just completely missed what makes PVPer's want to play?

After questing all this time, I am pretty familiar with my class and would like to try another, maybe a caster. Wait... I have to do EVERY quest in the game AGAIN!!!

You're board? I've always wanted to meet a plank of wood.

And what an amazing contribution by you, really helpful and informative. Well done, give your self a pat on the back.

ZiRM · May 2014

Board the ship you scurvy dogs!

I'm bored to death grinding VR.

Difference?

Tannakaobi · May 2014

NiRN wrote: »

Board the ship you scurvy dogs!

I'm bored to death grinding VR.

Difference?

I have Dyslexia, you should be happy that I run a spell check. Unfortunately I can't get everything and people seem more intent of pointing out peoples problems in this community than anything else. It says a lot about the ESO community in my opinion. People are frustrated. It shows.

dennissomb16_ESO · May 2014

I am curious. OP stating all the things he wants to not be bored and keep playing, I assume they are things that were in his previous game and yet he is no longer playing that game and is here. I don't really disagree with some of the things but lets face it, every MMO has their hook that creates a loyal base of customers and that is not always the same things in every game

Tannakaobi · May 2014

dennissomb16_ESO wrote: »

I am curious. OP stating all the things he wants to not be bored and keep playing, I assume they are things that were in his previous game and yet he is no longer playing that game and is here. I don't really disagree with some of the things but lets face it, every MMO has their hook that creates a loyal base of customers and that is not always the same things in every game

The most successful MMO's offer variety. Why should I not be able to enjoy and level up while PVPing? Would that harm the questing/PVE? Would it draw in more players? ESO was after all advertised as a unique PVP experience.

oxygen_boarderb16_ESO · May 2014

Tannakaobi wrote: »

NiRN wrote: »

Board the ship you scurvy dogs!

I'm bored to death grinding VR.

Difference?

I have Dyslexia, you should be happy that I run a spell check. Unfortunately I can't get everything and people seem more intent of pointing out peoples problems in this community than anything else. It says a lot about the ESO community in my opinion. People are frustrated. It shows.

The ESO community is in game, playing, this is the fringe community. Careful where you step lol.

That being said, some of those items on your list are being added in the Craglorn patch.

AlexDougherty · May 2014

Tannakaobi wrote: »

No to small scale PVP
No to Dueling
No to Balancing
No to higher XP in PVP
No to Arena's
No to Auction Houses
No to dueling area's
No to bloody everything...

The only one of these I object to is duelling, and even then if it's restricted to special Arenas that I can avoid, then I have no problem with it. But not open world PVP areas like Swtor, which were a pain.

ZiRM · May 2014

I'm crying already and I'm not the say NO crowd. :'(

Tannakaobi · May 2014

AlexDougherty wrote: »

Tannakaobi wrote: »

No to small scale PVP
No to Dueling
No to Balancing
No to higher XP in PVP
No to Arena's
No to Auction Houses
No to dueling area's
No to bloody everything...

The only one of these I object to is duelling, and even then if it's restricted to special Arenas that I can avoid, then I have no problem with it. But not open world PVP areas like Swtor, which were a pain.

Then clearly I am not targeting you and I agree, if dueling is implemented it should non intrusive to other players. Same as everything.

dennissomb16_ESO · May 2014

Tannakaobi wrote: »

dennissomb16_ESO wrote: »

I am curious. OP stating all the things he wants to not be bored and keep playing, I assume they are things that were in his previous game and yet he is no longer playing that game and is here. I don't really disagree with some of the things but lets face it, every MMO has their hook that creates a loyal base of customers and that is not always the same things in every game

The most successful MMO's offer variety. Why should I not be able to enjoy and level up while PVPing? Would that harm the questing/PVE? Would it draw in more players? ESO was after all advertised as a unique PVP experience.

It was more the "list" and the assumption that everyone wants what you want. BTW I totally agree that you should be able to level from 1-VR10 doing nothing but PvP and do it at a similar pace to PvE. But as an example of the varied player base, I absolutely don't want them to use resources to create dueling, small scale PvP, arenas, as an example

Tannakaobi · May 2014

oxygen_boarderb16_ESO wrote: »

Tannakaobi wrote: »

NiRN wrote: »

Board the ship you scurvy dogs!

I'm bored to death grinding VR.

Difference?

I have Dyslexia, you should be happy that I run a spell check. Unfortunately I can't get everything and people seem more intent of pointing out peoples problems in this community than anything else. It says a lot about the ESO community in my opinion. People are frustrated. It shows.

The ESO community is in game, playing, this is the fringe community. Careful where you step lol.

That being said, some of those items on your list are being added in the Craglorn patch.

In game it is the same, I have more criticism because of my spelling and punctuation in ESO than almost all other games. In game and on the forums.
Like I said, it demonstrates frustration. People are less tolerant when unhappy.

frwinters_ESO · May 2014

I'm going to bet that the people who are the most frustrated got to at least level 50 within two weeks of the game launching.

That's the problem. Got to slow down.

Most games can not get all the content they need to get out when a launch date is announced. They are a company and been working many months with no income and now they have to start some sort of income generation to continue the game. SO some of the end game content they put in wasn't ready and now those people who power leveled are bored.

We know new content is coming. You have been told it is coming. Its being tested as we speak. No need to make these points when you know there is more content coming. Go play another game if your bored until the new content is here.

oxygen_boarderb16_ESO · May 2014

dennissomb16_ESO wrote: »

Tannakaobi wrote: »

dennissomb16_ESO wrote: »

I am curious. OP stating all the things he wants to not be bored and keep playing, I assume they are things that were in his previous game and yet he is no longer playing that game and is here. I don't really disagree with some of the things but lets face it, every MMO has their hook that creates a loyal base of customers and that is not always the same things in every game

The most successful MMO's offer variety. Why should I not be able to enjoy and level up while PVPing? Would that harm the questing/PVE? Would it draw in more players? ESO was after all advertised as a unique PVP experience.

It was more the "list" and the assumption that everyone wants what you want. BTW I totally agree that you should be able to level from 1-VR10 doing nothing but PvP and do it at a similar pace to PvE. But as an example of the varied player base, I absolutely don't want them to use resources to create dueling, small scale PvP, arenas, as an example

This is very much possible to do vr1-10 only in pvp. I have a guild mate who is keeping pace with me, he is currently VR7 I am VR6. I do mostly PvE/Dungeons and he does only PvP. We mostly play the same amount of time.

I guess people are so subjective on their view points without actually trying anything different, cause some person told them on the internet that this is the way it is. Go try it for yourself.

Gisgo · May 2014

Im happy and tolerant and disagree with all of your points except higher xp in pvp

Get your ass to Bruma!

oxygen_boarderb16_ESO · May 2014

Gisgo wrote: »

Im happy and tolerant and disagree with all of your points except higher xp in pvp

Get your ass to Bruma!

Its already being addressed afaik in 1.1

Tannakaobi · May 2014

frwinters_ESO wrote: »

I'm going to bet that the people who are the most frustrated got to at least level 50 within two weeks of the game launching.

That's the problem. Got to slow down.

Most games can not get all the content they need to get out when a launch date is announced. They are a company and been working many months with no income and now they have to start some sort of income generation to continue the game. SO some of the end game content they put in wasn't ready and now those people who power leveled are bored.

We know new content is coming. You have been told it is coming. Its being tested as we speak. No need to make these points when you know there is more content coming. Go play another game if your bored until the new content is here.

Your not understanding what I am saying. How fast you get to 50 plays no part in what I said. New content is coming but not PVP, just a load more PVE.

I want to PVP, time is short and I HAVE to play hours of questing to do so. The new content will only add to this even more so.

Syzmicke · May 2014

Then go play Archage that has PvP off the bat

Arreyanne · May 2014

I really don't care what they add at this time, they can't even fix the broken passives in some class and skill lines.

Oh thats right 1.1 is going to save us all wth the fixes in it.

Good Luck with that based solely off ZEO's patch history

dennissomb16_ESO · May 2014

oxygen_boarderb16_ESO wrote: »

dennissomb16_ESO wrote: »

Tannakaobi wrote: »

dennissomb16_ESO wrote: »

I am curious. OP stating all the things he wants to not be bored and keep playing, I assume they are things that were in his previous game and yet he is no longer playing that game and is here. I don't really disagree with some of the things but lets face it, every MMO has their hook that creates a loyal base of customers and that is not always the same things in every game

The most successful MMO's offer variety. Why should I not be able to enjoy and level up while PVPing? Would that harm the questing/PVE? Would it draw in more players? ESO was after all advertised as a unique PVP experience.

It was more the "list" and the assumption that everyone wants what you want. BTW I totally agree that you should be able to level from 1-VR10 doing nothing but PvP and do it at a similar pace to PvE. But as an example of the varied player base, I absolutely don't want them to use resources to create dueling, small scale PvP, arenas, as an example

This is very much possible to do vr1-10 only in pvp. I have a guild mate who is keeping pace with me, he is currently VR7 I am VR6. I do mostly PvE/Dungeons and he does only PvP. We mostly play the same amount of time.

I guess people are so subjective on their view points without actually trying anything different, cause some person told them on the internet that this is the way it is. Go try it for yourself.

If you could ask him how he is doing it and send me a pm here I would be very grateful. The small guild I play with are mostly PvP (daoc rejects LOL) and outside of the few quests they get in PvP don't seem to get very much XP from PvP and constantly have to come to PvE to level up

Bolsh · May 2014

As a guild leader who focuses on small scale PvP I can tell you ESO needs more of it.. imo the farms/resources are to close to the keeps they need to be way further out.. To split the Zerg and give smaller guilds/pvp groups a chance... or maybe just more interactblies through out cyro towns, quest hubs etc (that are worth a damn)

And yes to everything else btw

frwinters_ESO · May 2014

Tannakaobi wrote: »

frwinters_ESO wrote: »

I'm going to bet that the people who are the most frustrated got to at least level 50 within two weeks of the game launching.

That's the problem. Got to slow down.

Most games can not get all the content they need to get out when a launch date is announced. They are a company and been working many months with no income and now they have to start some sort of income generation to continue the game. SO some of the end game content they put in wasn't ready and now those people who power leveled are bored.

We know new content is coming. You have been told it is coming. Its being tested as we speak. No need to make these points when you know there is more content coming. Go play another game if your bored until the new content is here.

Your not understanding what I am saying. How fast you get to 50 plays no part in what I said. New content is coming but not PVP, just a load more PVE.

I want to PVP, time is short and I HAVE to play hours of questing to do so. The new content will only add to this even more so.

For this patch your right no major PvP updates other than the underdog bonus. We know they plan to open the imperial city PvP dungeon, though we just do not have an update. I am guessing we will not see any major changes to PvP until the current campaigns are done, which is still what two months at least?

This is there first full run through with a campaign so I consider this a test. they need to gather there data, hear what the community says, fix the problems first, then push out some new content. With the problems of multi-boxing now and issues with people pulling buddies from other factions into towers, there is a lot on there plate.

We are only a month and a half into the game. I have faith it will get better but its not going to get better instantly. Devs already said there time frame for new content is on a 4-6 week schedule. We are at or close to the 6th week already and Craglorn is looming. Once that hits figure at least another 4-6 weeks before any new content.

Gisgo · May 2014

adamlmartin_ESO wrote: »

As a guild leader who focuses on small scale PvP I can tell you ESO needs more of it.. imo the farms/resources are to close to the keeps they need to be way further out.. To split the Zerg and give smaller guilds/pvp groups a chance... or maybe just more interactblies through out cyro towns, quest hubs etc (that are worth a damn)

And yes to everything else btw

You are right about splitting the zerg but the solution in my opinion is allowing forward camps to spawn people as long as they are not found and destroyed. The twenty respawns thing doesnt make sense.

This would move the battle from keeps/resources to the open field.

Thechemicals · May 2014

Arenas are so last decade...

Tannakaobi · May 2014

Gisgo wrote: »

Im happy and tolerant and disagree with all of your points except higher xp in pvp

Get your ass to Bruma!

My only point in the list are that people just blindly say no without thinking because it's something THEY don't want. I'm not interested in some of the things on the list either.

Tannakaobi · May 2014

frwinters_ESO wrote: »

Tannakaobi wrote: »

frwinters_ESO wrote: »

I'm going to bet that the people who are the most frustrated got to at least level 50 within two weeks of the game launching.

That's the problem. Got to slow down.

Most games can not get all the content they need to get out when a launch date is announced. They are a company and been working many months with no income and now they have to start some sort of income generation to continue the game. SO some of the end game content they put in wasn't ready and now those people who power leveled are bored.

We know new content is coming. You have been told it is coming. Its being tested as we speak. No need to make these points when you know there is more content coming. Go play another game if your bored until the new content is here.

Your not understanding what I am saying. How fast you get to 50 plays no part in what I said. New content is coming but not PVP, just a load more PVE.

I want to PVP, time is short and I HAVE to play hours of questing to do so. The new content will only add to this even more so.

We are only a month and a half into the game. I have faith it will get better but its not going to get better instantly. Devs already said there time frame for new content is on a 4-6 week schedule. We are at or close to the 6th week already and Craglorn is looming. Once that hits figure at least another 4-6 weeks before any new content.

Aye, I agree, it's what is keeping me going. But other players are leaving. I don't want ESO's PVP to die before it starts.

steveb16_ESO46 · May 2014

I bet the OP <insert vacuous, unprovable and largely undefined set of random assertions here>.

Man, this is easy.

daneyulebub17_ESO · May 2014

Tannakaobi wrote: »

No to small scale PVP
No to Dueling
No to Balancing
No to higher XP in PVP
No to Arena's
No to Auction Houses
No to dueling area's
No to bloody everything...

Wow--what a weak list. All but two items are PVP/dueling oriented--little biased, maybe?

No to... balancing? Who doesn't want a balanced game? Where are you hearing this--or do you mean, "No to YOUR idea of balancing?" Developers are always working on balance issues.

Dueling , Arenas, dueling areas pretty much are all in the same vein. I'm fine with 'em. Not sure I've heard too many screaming "NO" either (maybe "later" or "not important" but not so much "NO". Don't agree that not having 'em will bring F2P any faster. Although, ironically, constant dueling seems to be something F2P'ers love to do in lieu of spending money. I personally get tired of turning down spar requests over and over and over from sketchy e-peener F2P players in other games.

Higher PVP XP, small scale PVP. - Yawn. Yep, PvP tweaks are what everyone is clamoring for!!! (Not.)

Auction houses is the only thing that is controversial and an actual issue to most players. For me, I'd rather improvements to the guild store idea happen than a global AH. But... others feel differently.

The rest of these are straw men (No to Balancing? Seriously?) or examples of you projecting what you personally want on to the entire user base.

Sidereal · May 2014

Whoa, hold on guys. All of the stuff OP listed couldn't keep Rift afloat--and I did like Rift. Either a game will make it, with a dedicated community, or it won't. Hell, someone here mentioned Archeage, but come on people--who is behind it? Trion? Oh lordy, didn't Defiance sink just two weeks ago?