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Can we talk about warden charm (again)

Poss
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Sick of this skill, it’s so obnoxious and broken. It’s buggy, it causes you to phase through the map and keep walls, it’s difficult to break free from and it’s practically everywhere, you're guaranteed to be charmed on immunity cool-down.

Arcanist mastery was nerfed to the ground for “over performing” and yet we have this which is so over powered it’s being used by 99.9% of DDs. You look at the guild rosters and it’s all Wardens. I wonder why
  • Solariken
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    The interaction between Charm and ROA with Colossus is especially egregious. If you don't have Streak you're dead.

    I wish we could just get one guy on the combat dev team with some passion and gumption to make this game great.

    Sadly, that ship sailed long ago and I don't think there's any way off this downhill slide.
  • YandereGirlfriend
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    One of my group-mates got charmed underneath the map tonight by this. Fun times!
  • Radiate77
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    Yeah it’s pretty wild when everyone swapped to Warden right after Subclassing just to do this Class Mastery Script.

    Personally though, I wouldn’t be bothered by Charm if it was blockable or dodgeable, or if other classes had access to an alternative, like when Mass Hysteria made people turn around and run away. It synergized so well with the backstab passives.
    Edited by Radiate77 on November 12, 2025 4:11PM
  • Radiate77
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    …Or if the radius of the Script wasn’t so massive, or if it was single target instead of an AoE.

    Really, a lot of different ways to tackle this problem.
    Edited by Radiate77 on November 12, 2025 6:22AM
  • Gabriel_H
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    The truly "bang head against the wall" moment is Turn Evil used to cause the same problem. They altered Turn Evil so that there is no movement from those affected.

    There were no cons to doing this. In PvP the pro was that this no longer happened. In PvE the pro was that it made Turn Evil a great skill for keeping mobs near-stacked. I use it in my tank build for collecting the little mobs.
  • Poss
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    Solariken wrote: »
    I wish we could just get one guy on the combat dev team with some passion and gumption to make this game great.

    I wonder if they just aren’t aware of how broken it is. The devs don’t frequent Cyrodiil and since it’s not used in PvE at all it’s fallen under the radar
  • StihlReign
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    Poss wrote: »
    Solariken wrote: »
    I wish we could just get one guy on the combat dev team with some passion and gumption to make this game great.

    I wonder if they just aren’t aware of how broken it is. The devs don’t frequent Cyrodiil and since it’s not used in PvE at all it’s fallen under the radar

    They don't care. We have combat devs who've made troll abilities on PTS, then bragged about it in the Newsletter AFTER they were told the ability would be terrible for Live. This is in writing. We can all see it.

    After hundreds of reports many of these abilities still remain, ruining the experience we pay for because the devs can't be bothered to design a fair environment and don't posses the foresight to see the problems caused even when they're noted on PTS. This wouldn't be so bad if they were open to change, but they'll refuse to change something for so long it permanently reduces the game pop through waves of quitting...until they sell something overpowered which wrecks the balance but brings in new players... then the vets destroy the new people, who then quit until we begin the cycle of toxicity (new broken stuff) again.
    Edited by StihlReign on November 12, 2025 11:40AM
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  • mandricus
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    Why can't we have a little bit of fun? Instead of calling for nerfs please do yourself a favour, level up a Warden yourself and join the dark side!
  • Poss
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    mandricus wrote: »
    Why can't we have a little bit of fun? Instead of calling for nerfs please do yourself a favour, level up a Warden yourself and join the dark side!

    You my friend have pretty much just summed up the problem with Cyrodiil
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