What happens when PCNA is the only server left in the Battle?

SilverBride · November 11

What happens when PCNA is the only server left in the Battle? Are we going to have to keep grinding?

It does not seem fair to me that PCNA would have to continue on for weeks beyond what the other servers had to endure. We are already frustrated and burned out. That would just make it even worse.

When the first server reached Phase 2 all servers should have been advanced there. And when the first server reaches Phase 3 all servers should be advanced there. No server should have to endure extended time.

Carcamongus · November 11

I'm presuming PC/NA will stay a few days more in the grind, during which time the percentage meter will "miraculously" speed up.

I agree with your idea about all servers advancing to the next phase once the first one reaches it. However, an even better idea would've been for progress not to be divided between servers at all, just like in previous events of this sort. It's just silly (to use a gentler word) to have servers take place in a half-phony competition in which the numbers are manipulated.

twisttop138 · November 11

SilverBride wrote: »

What happens when PCNA is the only server left in the Battle? Are we going to have to keep grinding?

It does not seem fair to me that PCNA would have to continue on for weeks beyond what the other servers had to endure. We are already frustrated and burned out. That would just make it even worse.

When the first server reached Phase 2 all servers should have been advanced there. And when the first server reaches Phase 3 all servers should be advanced there. No server should have to ensure extended time.

I kinda wish they'd just call it period. It's clear many people are unhappy. But I'd hate to mess it up for the folks that are enjoying it, not that I've met any that are actually really loving the event but that's a different thread. Since I'm one of the conspiracy nuts that thinks the progress bar is fake and the winners were already picked based on PR, I think that everyone's gonna finish within a day or max 2 of each other.

Until then, get your gold boxes, and go back to what you're doing. The camps give good xp. Maybe level a subclass or a new toon or don't even go to solstice. I'm doing the prelude quest to Morrowind for the deadric war event since it's been so many years and it's one of my top top stories in ESO behind wrothgar.

tomofhyrule · November 11

It means we get to keep having fun grinding boxes while all the other servers end the fun event early and move on to unfun things like doing zone quests, I guess.

At least we’ll also have more fun with more grinding events coming up, right?

DenverRalphy · November 11

Honest question..

Would PCNA players be willing to forgo the associated achievement if they were allowed to skip the grind?

SilverBride · November 11

Carcamongus wrote: »

However, an even better idea would've been for progress not to be divided between servers at all, just like in previous events of this sort.

That is a very good point that hadn't occurred to me. When unlocking the Antiquarians Alpine Gallery it was a community-wide event: Players needed to participate in the "Lost Treasures of Skyrim" event by digging up antiquities anywhere in Tamriel to contribute to a community-wide progress meter.

So why were the servers divided for this? There is no real benefit as far as I know from being first, so why divide us this way?

twisttop138 wrote: »

I kinda wish they'd just call it period. It's clear many people are unhappy. But I'd hate to mess it up for the folks that are enjoying it, not that I've met any that are actually really loving the event but that's a different thread.

I wish they would call it, or at least greatly increase how much progress is being gained. I strongly believe that way more players are unhappy with it than are enjoying it.

SilverBride · November 11

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Honest question..

Would PCNA players be willing to forgo the associated achievement if they were allowed to skip the grind?

Absolutely not. It already feels punitive enough as it is, with progress being tweaked more than once.

DenverRalphy · November 11

SilverBride wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Honest question..

Would PCNA players be willing to forgo the associated achieveme.
nt if they were allowed to skip the grind?

Absolutely not. It already feels punitive enough as it is, with progress being tweaked more than once.

Oh, so it's okay for you to get the achievevment as long as somebody else does all the work?

Be careul when tossing around words like "fair".

SilverBride · November 11

DenverRalphy wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Honest question..

Would PCNA players be willing to forgo the associated achieveme.
nt if they were allowed to skip the grind?

Absolutely not. It already feels punitive enough as it is, with progress being tweaked more than once.

Oh, so it's okay for you to get the achievevment as long as somebody else does all the work?

Be careul when tossing around words like "fair".

PCNA is working for it. At least those that haven't given up because our progress was decreased and it's now even more grindy than it already was.

frogthroat · November 11

It's going to be a few day difference, max. ZOS is not going to make any server grind weeks more than others. Or if everyone collectively stop ginding, it will still be pushed to next phase eventually. It's not like they're going to say "you didn't grind enough - no new content (you paid for) for you."

This event is probably just a stress test how many players they get grinding and whether this type of "content" is somerthing they can get away with.

Radiate77 · November 11

It’s about time PC gets an update later than console! Try waiting two weeks!

(In all seriousness, I do agree, the faster the wall is behind us, the better for ZOS.)

DenverRalphy · November 11

SilverBride wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Honest question..

Would PCNA players be willing to forgo the associated achieveme.
nt if they were allowed to skip the grind?

Absolutely not. It already feels punitive enough as it is, with progress being tweaked more than once.

Oh, so it's okay for you to get the achievevment as long as somebody else does all the work?

Be careul when tossing around words like "fair".

PCNA is working for it. At least those that haven't given up because our progress was decreased and it's now even more grindy than it already was.

PCNA's progress wasn't decreased any more than any of the other servers. And if that graph that was floating around at the beginning of the event is anything to go by, the Console servers were corrected down more than PC servers.

SilverBride · November 11

DenverRalphy wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Honest question..

Would PCNA players be willing to forgo the associated achieveme.
nt if they were allowed to skip the grind?

Absolutely not. It already feels punitive enough as it is, with progress being tweaked more than once.

Oh, so it's okay for you to get the achievevment as long as somebody else does all the work?

Be careul when tossing around words like "fair".

PCNA is working for it. At least those that haven't given up because our progress was decreased and it's now even more grindy than it already was.

PCNA's progress wasn't decreased any more than any of the other servers. And if that graph that was floating around at the beginning of the event is anything to go by, the Console servers were corrected down more than PC servers.

I am not confident that PCNA has equal progress being earned. Every time I go to Solstice I see mass players gathered around the quest givers and defending the siege camps. Yet our progress is painfully slow.

They should have never separated the servers this way and kept it a true community event because this is doing nothing but dividing the community.

valenwood_vegan · November 11

Personally just wish this whole boondoggle of an event would end asap. Couldn't care less about any of it at this point.

But this led me to a bit of a depressing thought, which is that there isn't really anything else significant planned for the game for 4-5 months, so I'm not sure ending the event would do anything to draw me back at this time anyway. Might as well let the players who are enjoying the event and looking forward to phase 3 finish it off.

Like others, I do imagine the progress bar for the servers that are behind will suddenly start advancing a bit more - I'm not sure it would benefit anyone to keep drawing it out.

Melivar · November 11

With no tangible means of actually seeing how progress is measured it has seemed pointless to grind the event after the first couple of days.

I am not so concerned about x server having a potential at an easier time based on population to make the race as fair as possible but after the first set of adjustments then the second it just felt like there was no reason to spend valuable extra play time working towards the goal.

Now if it had been based on a percentage of quests versus population where the goals were clearly defined then I am sure ZOS could have/would have had much better buy in from the player base.

For Example PC-NA Pop 3,000,000 Players thus requiring 12,000,000 quest turn ins versus XBOX EU 800,000 Players requiring 3,200,000 quest turn ins. With total turn ins shown with the percentages.

In this case I personally might have spent an extra 2-3 hours per week making sure I helped my server more than just maximizing my rewards with the 3 golden boxes per day. The 4x or 10x or even 50x quest per player would then knowingly let you decide that at least you were doing as much or your part as necessary or doing extra to make up for those with more limited play times.

As it is currently the race seems fixed or arbitrary, we get the Phase 3 portion for 10 days whenever it comes and I know io will be available to complete it in that time frame.

If there were say Vegas odds on a winner someone would most likely be investigating lol.

Melivar · November 11

One other thing to add. I don't think PC-NA is not participating or giving it their all.

I have never had an issue taking a camp down at almost any given hour of the day. In fact I often have trouble getting to the first one of the day if I am not watching the map for the location to change and 25% of the time even when I am and port to the closest way shrine I just barely make it to get the bosses.

Similar things during witches' festival in the Auridon delves and PD's if those invading bosses didn't have much more HP it would have been a pain to get kills for Shards and Plunder skulls as they seemed to always have 4 or more people waiting even with the rapid spawn that was going on.

SilverBride · November 11

In another thread asking what Phase 2 entails I asked a question to clarify but it was never answered. If we had more information about additional activities that earned progress I would be more likely to do some of them.

This is what I asked and requested clarification for, but it was never answered:

Phase 2: The Assault Begins
Take the fight to the Worm Cult. Complete daily quests to strengthen the war effort, maintain siege camp defenses, and defeat World Bosses.

This says defeat World Bosses. Does that mean any World Bosses, or just the new World Boss in Solstice?
Does just defeating them give progress or do we need to have a quest?

DenverRalphy · November 11

SilverBride wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Honest question..

Would PCNA players be willing to forgo the associated achieveme.
nt if they were allowed to skip the grind?

Absolutely not. It already feels punitive enough as it is, with progress being tweaked more than once.

Oh, so it's okay for you to get the achievevment as long as somebody else does all the work?

Be careul when tossing around words like "fair".

PCNA is working for it. At least those that haven't given up because our progress was decreased and it's now even more grindy than it already was.

PCNA's progress wasn't decreased any more than any of the other servers. And if that graph that was floating around at the beginning of the event is anything to go by, the Console servers were corrected down more than PC servers.

I am not confident that PCNA has equal progress being earned. Every time I go to Solstice I see mass players gathered around the quest givers and defending the siege camps. Yet our progress is painfully slow.

They should have never separated the servers this way and kept it a true community event because this is doing nothing but dividing the community.

I'm confused. Because you've said on more than one occasion that you're not contributing to the event any more than the bare minimum. As well you have said that attempts to rallly others to push the bar were fruitless/waste of tiime, because from your observations everyone else you see is following suit because it's just not worth it.

SilverBride · November 11

DenverRalphy wrote: »

I'm confused. Because you've said on more than one occasion that you're not contributing to the event any more than the bare minimum. As well you have said that attempts to rallly others to push the bar were fruitless/waste of tiime, because from your observations everyone else you see is following suit because it's just not worth it.

I'm not doing the quests any more. And I am not going to try to push others to do something I am not willing to do myself. But I never said that everyone was following suit. And more than once I stated that I see a lot of players in the zone at the quest givers and doing siege camps.

Almost every friend I spoke with about this event said they are only doing 3 for the gold boxes, and some others aren't doing any. But I have not seen anything less than large groups at the siege camps, yet our progress is still very slow.

More players would be more motivated if it wasn't so boring and tedious, with nothing really new at all in Phase 2. Just the same quests, over and over, day after day. This should never have been set up this way.

Necrotech_Master · November 11

i think the biggest problem was really dividing the servers, its not really conducive to a community event for one

for the other, with all of the mystery numbers behind the scenes, along with the progression changes during phase 1 (everything seems to be progressing around the same rate in phase 2, but it doesnt help that PC NA started way behind), theres no really gauging competition anyway since we dont know what the thresholds for each server were, or if they were over-adjusted

i personally usually only do 3 dailies for the gold boxes and thats it, though i have sometimes done extra crafting ones because they are quick and easy XP to help level some subclasses on some other toons

theres already poor incentive to doing multiple of each daily after the initial 3

kevkj · November 11

Personally, I have chosen to aid the Worm Cult in evading the sanctions placed upon them by the Stirk Fellowship. I have been diverting my daily crafted war supplies to the other side of the Writhing Wall through third party merchants in Murkmire. I don't think it's fair to completely evict cult members and daedra from the great island of Solstice. Many of them have made a home on the island, and what the Stirk Fellowship intends to do contravenes the terms set out by the Chalman Accords of 2E 583. After all the former Lead Steward of Tamriel once said to us, "You belong" and I believe that extends to non player characters as well. As Soul Shriven, is it really our place to aid one Daedric worshipping faction against another (Meridia vs Molag Bal)? The slowed progress of the siege on PC NA is very encouraging to me, an inspiring reminder that America is the Land of the Free unlike other parts of the world. Together, I believe PC NA-ians can come together to rally against this unjust siege; yet another imperialist act by the Stirk Fellowship leaders (#FreeElsweyr #FreeOrsinium #FreeBlackMarsh). If we must sacrifice our access to Eastern Solstice then so be it! The ability to travel freely is a privilege and not a right which I think many of us forget. Our ancestors did not so frivolously soil the earth of various locales and were content to be born, live and die within an hour's walk. Will we really let our thirst for these so called "achievements" blind us to the injustice of the war we are fighting? I truly hope the Writhing Wall stands strong on PC NA for millennia to come.

Danikat · November 11

It won't be weeks. PC NA has been consistently 25% behind Xbox EU since about 1/2 way through phase 1, which means when they get to 100% and start phase 3 PCNA will be on 75% and so only a few days away from completing it.

I agree though that splitting servers up and making them 'compete' against each other was a bad decision. Its the complete opposite of their messaging elsewhere about how we're all one community. (Although sometimes that goes too far the other way, like informing us we all find the same man attractive.)

It's not a great feeling to be told other players are now the competition who must be beaten because, something, something 'server pride' or whatever. It also has practical downsides: in previous community events everyone would help each other out, including completing quests on both NA and EU, or even multiple platforms if people owned the game on more than one. Now there's no reason to do that.

Vonnegut2506 · November 11

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Honest question..

Would PCNA players be willing to forgo the associated achievement if they were allowed to skip the grind?

An achievement matters even less to me than this so-called event, so I would be all for just calling it a day and skipping the achievement. I haven't actually done the event the last week or so because I just can't be asked to care about something so mind-numbing and pointless.

DenverRalphy · November 11

Vonnegut2506 wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Honest question..

Would PCNA players be willing to forgo the associated achievement if they were allowed to skip the grind?

An achievement matters even less to me than this so-called event, so I would be all for just calling it a day and skipping the achievement. I haven't actually done the event the last week or so because I just can't be asked to care about something so mind-numbing and pointless.

A reasonable and candid response that I can understand and get behind.

metheglyn · November 11

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Honest question..

Would PCNA players be willing to forgo the associated achievement if they were allowed to skip the grind?

Yep.

Though it's not really "skipping the grind" at this point. But sure, keep the wall breaker title/achievement/whatever it is and let me into Eastern Solstice already.

Syldras · November 11

Isn't the achievement only for completing the Writhing Fortress anyway? Which means people who can't log in within the 7 days it will be available will miss it?

metheglyn · November 11

Syldras wrote: »

Isn't the achievement only for completing the Writhing Fortress anyway? Which means people who can't log in within the 7 days it will be available will miss it?

I think that's the achievement in question. I'll probably skip it anyway, because Writhing Fortress doesn't sound fun to me.

madman65 · November 11

twisttop138 wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

What happens when PCNA is the only server left in the Battle? Are we going to have to keep grinding?

It does not seem fair to me that PCNA would have to continue on for weeks beyond what the other servers had to endure. We are already frustrated and burned out. That would just make it even worse.

When the first server reached Phase 2 all servers should have been advanced there. And when the first server reaches Phase 3 all servers should be advanced there. No server should have to ensure extended time.

I kinda wish they'd just call it period. It's clear many people are unhappy. But I'd hate to mess it up for the folks that are enjoying it, not that I've met any that are actually really loving the event but that's a different thread. Since I'm one of the conspiracy nuts that thinks the progress bar is fake and the winners were already picked based on PR, I think that everyone's gonna finish within a day or max 2 of each other.

Until then, get your gold boxes, and go back to what you're doing. The camps give good xp. Maybe level a subclass or a new toon or don't even go to solstice. I'm doing the prelude quest to Morrowind for the deadric war event since it's been so many years and it's one of my top top stories in ESO behind wrothgar.

This is your game, you should be able to play it the way you want. There is however the fact that you just get this DLC and deal with it. When Elswyr came out, it was big and wonderful but it also came with trade offs such as changing the resources and certain damage buffs. The game is big and I have to say the trade offs are pretty much in ever deal.

Djennku · 12:03AM

I enjoyed the event a bit. The biggest problem is it's taking forever, and we are forced to go through it to get to the other half of the zone, or we don't get access to it.

If it lasted just one, maybe two weeks, that would be fine, BUT A MONTH PLUS?! It's too long for such tedius repetition. Everyone is tired of it at this point.

valenwood_vegan · 12:50AM

Syldras wrote: »

Isn't the achievement only for completing the Writhing Fortress anyway? Which means people who can't log in within the 7 days it will be available will miss it?

Yeah, also if progress holds steady it seems like we're gonna get to phase 3 kinda around Thanksgiving on PC/NA. I can only speak for myself, but I have much more important things to do around that time, so even if I was interested it seems like I'd potentially miss out anyway.

Rohamad_Ali · 1:16AM

I'm on event vacation.