Thank You for the new Nocturnal Styles

Khaeon · October 16

These are great! Feels like I am playing a different class lol and the sound effects are also awesome!

SkaiFaith · October 16

For the love of Nocturnal, could you please help us showing what's not previewable in game? And if Dive morph is really bugged?

Glad you are enjoying them btw

Khaeon · October 16

My apologies, did not even cross my mind to post pictures.

Here is swarm, looks great to me. When it hits the target it is the emote swarm of crows.

Here is the cliff racer. Hard to get a good picture because it is so fast.

Did not have enough ultimate to do dragon leap but it looks like the cliff racer, black crow with purple highlights.

As for the Dive morph I had no idea people were saying there was a bug. I have not noticed anything myself.

SkaiFaith · October 16

Khaeon wrote: »

My apologies, did not even cross my mind to post pictures.

Here is swarm, looks great to me. When it hits the target it is the emote swarm of crows.

Here is the cliff racer. Hard to get a good picture because it is so fast.

Did not have enough ultimate to do dragon leap but it looks like the cliff racer, black crow with purple highlights.

As for the Dive morph I had no idea people were saying there was a bug. I have not noticed anything myself.

Thank you, and don't worry, I didn't want to come off as aggressive or angry XD sorry!

(It was just frustration caused by having yet again a crown store item with issues...)

Khaeon · October 16

No worries, I did not take it as such. Totally worth the purchase in my opinion.

whitecrow · October 16

Why can't I preview the swarm?

DenverRalphy · October 16

whitecrow wrote: »

Why can't I preview the swarm?

Initially I thought because it needs a target to swarm. But dive needs a targeet to attack as well, so <shrug>.

tomofhyrule · October 16

DenverRalphy wrote: »

whitecrow wrote: »

Why can't I preview the swarm?

Initially I thought because it needs a target to swarm. But dive needs a targeet to attack as well, so <shrug>.

Probably because Dive has the effect from attacking (the bird swooping down), but the effect on swarm is majorly the effect it applies on the enemy (the bugs flying around)

DenverRalphy · October 16

I went ahead and clipped a video using Swarm - Murder of Crows since it can't be previewed in game.

https://youtu.be/6cmgSRNli-Y

alternatelder · October 16

I would have bought at least one of them, but as a bundle? No. They might even get more sales if they'd sell them individually. Please consider this in the future with other skill styles.

tomofhyrule · October 16

DenverRalphy wrote: »

I went ahead and clipped a video using Swarm - Murder of Crows since it can't be previewed in game.

https://youtu.be/6cmgSRNli-Y

Out of curiosity, does the mag morph of swarm leave an effect on your character?

The standard mag swarm will leave a flies effect on your character’s hands every second cast to signify the powered up version. Does that look different with the crows?

(I actually run the mag morph of swarm on my werewolf werebear character specifically for that effect because he’s totally the kind of beast who would have fleas constantly swarming him)

whitecrow · October 16

Thanks, Ralphy.

Khaeon · October 16

tomofhyrule wrote: »

Out of curiosity, does the mag morph of swarm leave an effect on your character?

The standard mag swarm will leave a flies effect on your character’s hands every second cast to signify the powered up version. Does that look different with the crows?

(I actually run the mag morph of swarm on my werewolf werebear character specifically for that effect because he’s totally the kind of beast who would have fleas constantly swarming him)

Sadly it does not. Looks like a purple hue.

Danikat · October 16

Thanks for the pictures and video (and the reminder to preview it with the sound on). The in-game preview isn't great for skills, so it's helpful to be able to see how it actually looks.

DenverRalphy · October 16

tomofhyrule wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

I went ahead and clipped a video using Swarm - Murder of Crows since it can't be previewed in game.

https://youtu.be/6cmgSRNli-Y

Out of curiosity, does the mag morph of swarm leave an effect on your character?

<snip>

Mag Version, Fetcher Infection. The purple sparkle disappears on next cast.

[edit] Oops, forgot to include the 2nd cast. Uploaded a new one.

https://youtu.be/GUR3xQSqUTA

ESO_player123 · October 16

I wish they had the crows without the purple color.

Kendaric · October 16

Thanks for the video, that really helps to decide.

I'd would have prefered to be able to buy each style separately but what can you do...

SkaiFaith · October 16

I'm still undecided because recently I've replaced Swarm with another skill in my build, but in case I'll return to use it I really can't stand the sound of bees; this would be helpful to me. 14 Days to decide...

NotaDaedraWorshipper · October 16

It's a disappointment to me. Would've beeen the first skillstyle I bought if they had been just crows without exaggerated effects and loud exploding noises.

Crowns saved, but sadly all my wardens are still stuck using the ill-fitting Morrowind animals. Except my dunmer warden who is stuck with a random bear.

Alphawolf01A · October 17

It's kind of misleading that the thumbnails/icons for the skills are blue, yellow and green but the skills themselves are purple. Even the skill descriptions don't mention the color, where many of the previous skills do.

DenverRalphy · October 17

Alphawolf01A wrote: »

It's kind of misleading that the thumbnails/icons for the skills are blue, yellow and green but the skills themselves are purple. Even the skill descriptions don't mention the color, where many of the previous skills do.

The crows in the icons are of appropriate color. The backgrounds though need to be different colors as the crows would likely be barely distinguishable from the background. As well, giving them all purple backgrounds would make them all look too similar on the skill bar.

Gingaroth · October 17

ESO_player123 wrote: »

I wish they had the crows without the purple color.

As do I. And without the loud bang.

I realise O.P. loves these styles and started the thread as a thank you to ZOS. I'm glad they found something they like and hope they keep enjoying it, but I think the special effects are way over the top and they ruin it for me.

Quite disapointing, as I was looking forward to getting some crow-themed styles. If it had been just the birds and their bird-noises, I would have bought these styles for sure, 100%.

Just like I would have bought the Evergloam Indrik, if it hadn't suffered from the same purple swirls and banging noises.
And the Ardor's Devotion Senche-Raht, if had just been a hippy-like, flower-covered, longhaired Senche-raht, without obnoixious flash-and-bang summoning process and sparklefarts. And several other mounts/pets/skill styles/etc. too.

Would it not be possible to put 2 versions of these kind of things in the crownstore, one with and one without the special effects? It seems like a relatively easy way to make more money for ZOS, and gives the players more options to choose from.

Jordan_Black · October 17

I like these too, good call on this one ZOS.

Alphawolf01A · October 17

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Alphawolf01A wrote: »

It's kind of misleading that the thumbnails/icons for the skills are blue, yellow and green but the skills themselves are purple. Even the skill descriptions don't mention the color, where many of the previous skills do.

The crows in the icons are of appropriate color. The backgrounds though need to be different colors as the crows would likely be barely distinguishable from the background. As well, giving them all purple backgrounds would make them all look too similar on the skill bar.

Then the purple crows in game should have had the matching green or blue glows to better fit the icons as opposed to everything being purple.

thegreatme · 4:28AM

Alphawolf01A wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Alphawolf01A wrote: »

It's kind of misleading that the thumbnails/icons for the skills are blue, yellow and green but the skills themselves are purple. Even the skill descriptions don't mention the color, where many of the previous skills do.

The crows in the icons are of appropriate color. The backgrounds though need to be different colors as the crows would likely be barely distinguishable from the background. As well, giving them all purple backgrounds would make them all look too similar on the skill bar.

Then the purple crows in game should have had the matching green or blue glows to better fit the icons as opposed to everything being purple.

I think you're somewhat missing the basic point that these styles are thematic to Nocturnal and everything Nocturnal has always been something in the shade of purple. When it comes to thematic lore, I would be very dubious about these things being blue and green and everything NOT reminiscent of the colors associated with Nocturnal's sphere.

I'm super enjoying these styles actually giving that Nocturnal flare to my characters aligned with her. I subclassed into DK JUST for the Dragon Leap style since I also had other class trees I wasn't really using anyway.

Honestly I wish we'd gotten a few more and ZoS missed out on some opportunities here. I would've KILLED to have an additional style to replace the Warden's betty/bull netch skill with a crow that flies next to you and gives you stam/mag buffs instead of this weird little squid thing we have, since ZoS leaned more heavily into the Animal Companions skills and the fact that these are clearly magical crows makes total sense imo.

Hell, giving a more purple/black coloration to Falcon's Swiftness would've been nice as well, but I can make do with the more green-blue Warden already has since its close to the color of evergloam Wisps, so it still kind of manages to match theme. Small victories, not sure if it was actually intended or not that they left that untouched.

Swarm is super enjoyable and visibly appealing on both enemies and your character.

They COULD tone back the explosion of purple on Dive a bit because honestly I mostly just see a purple blur, its got a good foundation but I think it could've used a little tweaking to be more subtle, but I guess when you're in group content with all kinds of effects flashing everywhere, you wouldn't see it very well. The effect is a little bit over-the-top though.

The dragon leap is nice too. Its just that Dive and Dragon Leap are skills that happen so fast its hard to appreciate the little details of them in the moment more than the visually explosive special effects they give off.

All in all, good styles, just not totally perfect. But I'm happy enough with them that I've slotted in skills I totally ignored before and I'm having a lot more fun as a result.

Alphawolf01A · 6:36AM

I am not "missing the basic point". It's not about Nocturnal's theme being purple, that's fine! It's about the icons being misleading. If I were to buy a shirt online and the picture showed a red shirt and when it's delivered, the shirt is blue, that is false advertising. The "basic point" isn't that I still got a shirt in the same "theme". And if the icons being indistinguishable because of the similar look was a problem, that sounds like a design flaw.

Grumpycrawler · 8:01AM

I was holding my breath with the recent pumpkin skill and caltrops debacle, so really reliefed that they turned out great!
Personally love the purple since it fits nocturnal which absulutly fits my necromancer/witchy character that dabbles in deals with Hermeus Mora, Azura and Nocturnal (Azura is probably not happy about it tho...).
Think thats the difficult thing with making skillstyles, they don't fit everybody's style or character. On the other hand that's also the point, all tho I sympathise with the people that are dissapointed since I had that with the way they made the pumpkin.

Now I just need to figure out an "okay" build for my necromancer where I can combine warden en arcanist skills in the build without losing too much of my skelly friends (having tried the warden skills for the first time and looking at their passieves and then looking at my necromancer skils and passives it really hurt realising necro skills are so convoluted, but thats another topic haha. Atleast I have my giant bone polymorh so I could always still feel a b it necromantic even if I need to swap out almost all my skills...)

Edit: Also I feel very dumb right now, but how did you guys get the icon to change on the hotbar? Since even tho the active skill changed the icons on my hotbar still have the old desing, waht am I missing? Or is that only a thing for console versions of the game and not the PC version?

BasP · 10:31AM

I did buy them because I had a bunch of ESO+ Crowns, but I definitely would've preferred less colourful/ flashy effects myself. I actually don't think I'll end up using them much, sadly.

I'm happy for the players that like these skill styles, but I do hope we'll get some less flashy styles for these skills someday (I'd love to be able to replace Dive with something like an eagle, similar to Aerie's Cry's proc, myself).

duagloth · 11:39AM

Why not do the entire skill line?

thegreatme · 1:12PM

Alphawolf01A wrote: »

I am not "missing the basic point". It's not about Nocturnal's theme being purple, that's fine! It's about the icons being misleading. If I were to buy a shirt online and the picture showed a red shirt and when it's delivered, the shirt is blue, that is false advertising. The "basic point" isn't that I still got a shirt in the same "theme". And if the icons being indistinguishable because of the similar look was a problem, that sounds like a design flaw.

Honestly I just took the icons looks and colors as hints tied into which skills they were replacing rather than representations of the actual visual presentation of the skills.

Back when they were first data-mined, the data mine didn't actually tell us which skills these were styles for, except for Dragon Leap. The other two were a total mystery, but an educated guess told me Swarm and Dive were likely because of the resemblance to the original skills. Turned out that was correct. I don't take that as false advertising. To me it advertised exactly what it was: replacement skins for skills whose original visual presentation were blue and green. So to each their own interpretation of what was being advertised. I never once actually thought this meant that we would get crows with a blue or green glow to them, and I would have been massively disappointed if that were the case tbh.

duagloth wrote: »

Why not do the entire skill line?

Same thought. I think they would have nailed this a lot better with giving us purple/black wings for Falcon's Swiftness & morphs (not complaining we got a skin for DK's dragon leap though, its REALLY cool).

Replace the betty/bull netch skill with a crow that flies next to you and gives you regen/buffs for mag/stam. This wouldn't be super hard to do as you could just use the Eyebright Raven model and animations scaled down to be smaller, then slap some special effects on it.

I'm not sure exactly what would have been a good compromise for the exploding Shalks skill without being redundant. Crows would be an option, sure. Or maybe some spooky gloam Wraiths that summon up from the ground, point at the target and explode. That would have been pretty cool actually! Sad we didn't get something like that, but they could always do more of those in the future, as long as those of us that purchased the bundle that already exists wouldn't get screwed over in having to purchase a pack at full price we already have half of.

It obviously won't happen before halloween comes and goes this year, but maybe we could see them make an appearance next time ZoS does a Clockwork/Summerset event? Which they tend to release/re-release a lot of Nocturnal-related content for. If we see that event again, guessing the timeline would be somewhere in February or March like other years, so that would give a good few months to work on it.

Maybe something to pass along to whoever on the team its relevant to @ZOS_Kevin ?

Along with possibly tweaking the current special effects on Dive, since a lot of people seem to be in agreement that the sheer amount of bright purple on that one particular skill is a little bit Much. It completely visually overpowers the crow model for Dive to where you can't even see that its anything more than a bunch of flashy colors.