Why can't A Study in Discipline be Abandoned?

SilverBride · October 15

I've read the posts stating that this quest can't be abandoned but I do not understand why. I accidentally picked it up on a character when I was looking for the Writhing Wall quest and I do not want to do it. I know it's short and I know the subclassing changes can be reverted but the character will still have subclassing trained and that will completely destroy the pure class I wanted to maintain.

Why can't we abandon this quest?

I submitted a ticket but I don't hold out much hope.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Kevin

NoticeMeArkay · October 15

Finishing the subclassing quest doesn't change anything about your character.
There is no such thing as a "pure class" linked to your characters files.

Just finish the quest. This is a self-created issue.
Customer support is busy enough with actual technical issues. Mods and community managers don't need to be linked to create a false sense of urgency for something that isn't an actual problem.

Just.Finish.The.Quest.
Nothing, that actually exists, is being destroyed in the process.

Morgaledh · October 15

SilverBride wrote: »

I've read the posts stating that this quest can't be abandoned but I do not understand why. I accidentally picked it up on a character when I was looking for the Writhing Wall quest and I do not want to do it. I know it's short and I know the subclassing changes can be reverted but the character will still have subclassing trained and that will completely destroy the pure class I wanted to maintain.

Why can't we abandon this quest?

I submitted a ticket but I don't hold out much hope.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Kevin

You can't abandon it because you want subclassing. We all want subclassing. Right?

Right?

SilverBride · October 15

Every other quest I know of with the exception of Cadwell's Silver and Gold can be abandoned so what makes this one different?

This is a problem for me and it is not unreasonable to want to know why this one quest is the exception to how every other quest behaves.

Maitsukas · October 15

While it is annoying, you can use the free Respec scroll you get from the quest, a Respec shrine or the Armory (make sure not to overwrite the build you wish to load) to revert any Subclassing changes you made with this quest.

SolarRune · October 15

You've just mentioned a couple of un-abandonable quests, so this "feature" is already in the game. If it were the only quest you couldn't abandon, then there would be an argument for needing an answer.

Syldras · October 15

Maitsukas wrote: »

While it is annoying, you can use the free Respec scroll you get from the quest, a Respec shrine or the Armory (make sure not to overwrite the build you wish to load) to revert any Subclassing changes you made with this quest.

I'm not sure if anything was changed during the last few weeks (months?), but I was able to complete the quest without making any changes at all (also thought about abandoning it, couldn't, so I just looked what would happen if I make no changes - it still completed).

So roleplay-wise I can consider the whole situation as some fighter type person asking me whether I have considered mixing fighting skills and giving me a bit info on that, and nothing more.

But of course, I think it should be possible to drop this quest. There's no reason it shouldn't.

GloatingSwine · October 15

NoticeMeArkay wrote: »

Just.Finish.The.Quest.
Nothing, that actually exists, is being destroyed in the process.

If you have a character of every class, you can't finish the quest.

In order to finish the quest you have to tag a skill line for subclassing that you have never used on your account before. If you have all the skill lines on your account because you've either used them all in subclassing or had a character of each class at 50, you can't do that and so the quest is stuck in your quest log forever (also you can't use normal shrines to subclass that character you have to go back to the NPC).

Displaced_Salad · October 15

All quests should be able to be abandoned. It's an issue that should not exist, not a self created one. OP has a valid point.

Nestor · October 15

GloatingSwine wrote: »

NoticeMeArkay wrote: »

Just.Finish.The.Quest.
Nothing, that actually exists, is being destroyed in the process.

If you have a character of every class, you can't finish the quest.

In order to finish the quest you have to tag a skill line for subclassing that you have never used on your account before. If you have all the skill lines on your account because you've either used them all in subclassing or had a character of each class at 50, you can't do that and so the quest is stuck in your quest log forever.....

Not true. At all.

I have every class represented and fully leveled with my 17 characters. Quest can be easily and quickly completed. And any changes you made can be reverted with the scroll you are given.

mague · October 15

SilverBride wrote: »

I've read the posts stating that this quest can't be abandoned but I do not understand why. I accidentally picked it up on a character when I was looking for the Writhing Wall quest and I do not want to do it. I know it's short and I know the subclassing changes can be reverted but the character will still have subclassing trained and that will completely destroy the pure class I wanted to maintain.

Why can't we abandon this quest?

I submitted a ticket but I don't hold out much hope.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Kevin

You wont train anything as long as you dont use a subclass. It remains level 0. Everything else is a matter of GUI and not a class or immersion breaker. Someone offers you to learn class skills, you look at them and you say no. The same decission as to use soul stones or not.

NoticeMeArkay · October 15

GloatingSwine wrote: »

NoticeMeArkay wrote: »

Just.Finish.The.Quest.
Nothing, that actually exists, is being destroyed in the process.

If you have a character of every class, you can't finish the quest.

In order to finish the quest you have to tag a skill line for subclassing that you have never used on your account before. If you have all the skill lines on your account because you've either used them all in subclassing or had a character of each class at 50, you can't do that and so the quest is stuck in your quest log forever (also you can't use normal shrines to subclass that character you have to go back to the NPC).

Actually I do have a character for every class and they are all level 50. Didn't stop me from finishing the quest on day 1.

DenverRalphy · October 15

The quest is most definitely still bugged.

I have 4 toons that have the quest but can't complete nor abandon it. ZOS said it's fixed. But it's not. The bug can apparently be avoided if you are on Mouse and Keyboard. But for those of us on consoles, we don't have the option to switch between Gamepad UI and Mouse/Keyboard, so we're outa luck and stuck with the bug forever.

There have been numerous appeals to ZOS staff on these forums for an update, but they have gone radio silent on the matter and won't respond to those appeals.

PrinceShroob · October 15

During this quest, Bahtra has you use the subclassing menu to demonstrate how to use it. This will allow you to access subclassing on that character, but doesn't cost any money. If you could abandon the quest, you could accept the quest, subclass, then abandon it to essentially freely subclass whenever you wanted.

If that sounds silly, I remind you that there used to be throngs of players in Riften completing "All's Fair" over and over with new characters for gold without any combat, which is why we have a limit on the number of characters you can delete in one day.

You can just finish the quest and use the armory, the free scroll Bahtra gives you, or a shrine to return your character's build to how it was.

SilverBride · October 15

SolarRune wrote: »

You've just mentioned a couple of un-abandonable quests, so this "feature" is already in the game. If it were the only quest you couldn't abandon, then there would be an argument for needing an answer.

I mentioned Cadwell's Silver and Cadwell's Gold as not being able to be abandoned, but they are unique in that they are part of the original story since launch.

This quest is for an optional feature and not being able to abandon it was originally was stated to be a known issue that was being worked on, then later changed to say it is working as intended.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/678391/update-46-seasons-of-the-worm-cult-part-1-launch-day-known-issues

SilverBride · October 15

Also, this quest does not warn the player that it cannot be abandoned before they accept it from the crown store.

katanagirl1 · October 16

I think the answer is they just don’t want to bother fixing it.

Good thing I don’t want to subclass because I have unlocked all skill lines and am on console.

Vaqual · October 16

The quest is conceptually bad anyway, it is pretty much the blandest and least fleshed out way of introducing the system. I hope they make this nicer in the future.

SilverBride · October 16

Well putting in a ticket didn't help because customer service says they are unable to remove quests, but I tried anyway. I just wish they would fix this. Or at the very least put a warning on the quest so players know that if they pick it up they won't be able to abandon it.

Panthermic · October 16

SomeMany times, I get the feeling that some or many get paid by ZOS to white-knight any or every garbage of their decision. If they're not paid, then people should stop this mentality...and then I wake up and see that such people are still there, somewhere, everywhere, forever.

katanagirl1 wrote: »

I think the answer is they just don’t want to bother fixing it.

Good thing I don’t want to subclass because I have unlocked all skill lines and am on console.

I'll quote myself here.

Panthermic wrote: »

valenwood_vegan wrote: »

It appears that one unfortunately cannot abandon this quest and it's going to stay this way. Just follow the workaround I suppose.

The first day, when the bug was acknowledged.
Shareholders: What the actual hell is happening in the game?

The day when the bug became a feature. (Just like it happened with anicancel.)
ZOS: Multiclassing was a success; look at how many completed the necessary quest!

I guess this is how things got changed.

SilverBride wrote: »

Well putting in a ticket didn't help because customer service says they are unable to remove quests, but I tried anyway. I just wish they would fix this. Or at the very least put a warning on the quest so players know that if they pick it up they won't be able to abandon it.

We will probably be able to use only 24 quest slots at a time, along with many other people who don't want to be part of that made-up number.

SilverBride · October 16

I don't understand why they don't just make this quest work like virtually every other quest in the game and give us the option to abandon it. Especially since it is so buggy and many have had trouble completing it at all.

I know I can just do the quest then use the scroll to put my character back how it was, but I don't want to get stuck with these bugs and make things even worse, all for a feature I don't even want.

ZOS please take another look at this and give us the option to abandon it.

twisttop138 · October 16

You know @SilverBride , I may not always agree with you but you're dead on a put this. No quest should be like that. At all. Even Caldwell. Also as @DenverRalphy pointed out, for those of us on console it's bugged since we cannot use keyboard and mouse. They've gone radio silent on the issue. Really bringing home the new directors heartfelt speech about communication and listening to the players and how community is FIRST!

SilverBride · October 16

I agree that we should also be able to abandon Cadwell's Silver and Gold. When the game launched we had to quest the zones in a linear fashion and these were a major part of the story. But after One Tamriel launched these are not really relevant like they once were and players should have the option to abandon them and free up a quest slot.

They can still keep Cadwell's Silver and Gold as an achievement.

SilverBride · October 24

I just realized that when I look at my skills it has subclassing listed under the class skill lines. But I never even started the quest so why is that there?

wolfie1.0. · October 24

NoticeMeArkay wrote: »

Finishing the subclassing quest doesn't change anything about your character.
There is no such thing as a "pure class" linked to your characters files.

Just finish the quest. This is a self-created issue.
Customer support is busy enough with actual technical issues. Mods and community managers don't need to be linked to create a false sense of urgency for something that isn't an actual problem.

Just.Finish.The.Quest.
Nothing, that actually exists, is being destroyed in the process.

It wont complete and its taking up space for quests that I need to get done.

DenverRalphy · October 24

SilverBride wrote: »

I just realized that when I look at my skills it has subclassing listed under the class skill lines. But I never even started the quest so why is that there?

It shows up after you initiated the quest. You now have 18 subclass skills. Granted they're all at 0xp, but they're all there for you to level up whenever you choose to do so.

tomofhyrule · October 24

SilverBride wrote: »

I just realized that when I look at my skills it has subclassing listed under the class skill lines. But I never even started the quest so why is that there?

It’s there for everyone because that’s how the devs intend it since it’s account-wide. But unless you do the quest, it will be greyed out for that character.

SilverBride · October 24

tomofhyrule wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

I just realized that when I look at my skills it has subclassing listed under the class skill lines. But I never even started the quest so why is that there?

It’s there for everyone because that’s how the devs intend it since it’s account-wide. But unless you do the quest, it will be greyed out for that character.

Oh I hadn't realized that! I don't get into my skills a lot. Thanks!

Vulkunne · October 25

Quest/UI mgmt should be mature and well-organized or if not then why have it at all?

Nothing that's clearly bugged or malfunctioning should be 'resolved' by getting extra work out of me.

I'm not the problem; something is wrong and needs to be fixed. Brute force could be considered as a workaround but that's not fixing the problem.

Furthermore, there's a cap to the total number of quests you can have so I keep that quest slate clean unless I specifically care about something and if so, I'll organize things myself based on what is needed.