Thank you for finally fixing Frostbite

madmufffin · September 15

After being borked for ages it is finally fixed and for that I thank you. Now can we get frostden buffs k thanks

ESO_Nightingale · September 15

madmufffin wrote: »

After being borked for ages it is finally fixed and for that I thank you. Now can we get frostden buffs k thanks

I'm not about to let them forget about them

ESO_Nightingale · September 19

You know, i cant say i think they're gonna do anything in Q1 next year either at this rate. Seems like all of the budget is going into vengance pvp.

MashmalloMan · September 22

Still needs to be 20% or above to exceed generic sets like Advancing Yokeda if you ask me. I'm sure a parser can prove any number of generic meta sets can do better, even if you're going all in on frost, which noticeably tanks your DPS in the 1st place.

I'll never understand why their spreadsheets don't account for this. Why do niche, focussed sets perform worse even when you build for them? If you can't use them on a niche setup, then why would a general build use them either? They literally have no place in the game.

Ritualist is bad for a pet tamer (Grave Lord + Animal Companions + Daedric Summoning).
Xanmeer Spellweaver is bad for an Elementalist (Storm Calling + Aedric Flame + Winters Embrace).
All the "ws damage for x element abilities" sets have been dead for 8+ years.

What's even more confusing is how empty you feel when you attempt to make these sets work. For example, someone may say to themselves "well, I'm okay to lose 10% of my DPS because I get to role play the theme I'm going for by using this set". I know this happens, because I used to make the same sacrifices before I realized it was poointless.

Frostbite for example has no visual indicator that it does anything different from Advancing Yokeda, so even from a roleplay perspective, they feel virtually the same. Had it been a situation like a Stam Sorc using Storm Fist, then maybe I'd understand... But these sets I've listed are all just stat multipliers, they do nothing for role play beyond making you weaker, so they fail on multiple fronts.

Finally, a set like AY buffs your healing, all of the element focused sets do nothing for that regard unless they happen to have a "heal based on damage done" effect like DK's Flame Claw. All the more reason that these should be more powerful, the visual appeal being your element focussed playstyle hits harder than any other set combo you could use. That, I would understand.

YandereGirlfriend · September 23

MashmalloMan wrote: »

Still needs to be 20% or above to exceed generic sets like Advancing Yokeda if you ask me. I'm sure a parser can prove any number of generic meta sets can do better, even if you're going all in on frost, which noticeably tanks your DPS in the 1st place.

I'll never understand why their spreadsheets don't account for this. Why do niche, focussed sets perform worse even when you build for them? If you can't use them on a niche setup, then why would a general build use them either? They literally have no place in the game.
Ritualist is bad for a pet tamer (Grave Lord + Animal Companions + Daedric Summoning).

Xanmeer Spellweaver is bad for an Elementalist (Storm Calling + Aedric Flame + Winters Embrace).

All the "ws damage for x element abilities" sets have been dead for 8+ years.

What's even more confusing is how empty you feel when you attempt to make these sets work. For example, someone may say to themselves "well, I'm okay to lose 10% of my DPS because I get to role play the theme I'm going for by using this set". I know this happens, because I used to make the same sacrifices before I realized it was poointless.

Frostbite for example has no visual indicator that it does anything different from Advancing Yokeda, so even from a roleplay perspective, they feel virtually the same. Had it been a situation like a Stam Sorc using Storm Fist, then maybe I'd understand... But these sets I've listed are all just stat multipliers, they do nothing for role play beyond making you weaker, so they fail on multiple fronts.

Finally, a set like AY buffs your healing, all of the element focused sets do nothing for that regard unless they happen to have a "heal based on damage done" effect like DK's Flame Claw. All the more reason that these should be more powerful, the visual appeal being your element focussed playstyle hits harder than any other set combo you could use. That, I would understand.

Every word of what you said is true and should be heeded by the powers that be.

But specifically your final thought on the particularly toxic combination of undertuned niche set tuning + zero modicum of any audio/visual additional roleplay flavor that truly feels bad for the player. You're already signing-up for a self-nerf but you get nothing at all in return to from most of these sets to enhance your theme or vibe.

This has been a worrying trend even in recent trial sets, where most are soulless "stat sticks" lacking any sort of animation of flavor. I think that you have to go all the way back to Yandir's to find a stat-based DPS set that has any sort of visual indication that the set is even active. And that was what, 2020?

Flashy animations are FUN. We need more of them rather than less.

ESO_Nightingale · September 26

MashmalloMan wrote: »

Still needs to be 20% or above to exceed generic sets like Advancing Yokeda if you ask me. I'm sure a parser can prove any number of generic meta sets can do better, even if you're going all in on frost, which noticeably tanks your DPS in the 1st place.

I'll never understand why their spreadsheets don't account for this. Why do niche, focussed sets perform worse even when you build for them? If you can't use them on a niche setup, then why would a general build use them either? They literally have no place in the game.
Ritualist is bad for a pet tamer (Grave Lord + Animal Companions + Daedric Summoning).

Xanmeer Spellweaver is bad for an Elementalist (Storm Calling + Aedric Flame + Winters Embrace).

All the "ws damage for x element abilities" sets have been dead for 8+ years.

What's even more confusing is how empty you feel when you attempt to make these sets work. For example, someone may say to themselves "well, I'm okay to lose 10% of my DPS because I get to role play the theme I'm going for by using this set". I know this happens, because I used to make the same sacrifices before I realized it was poointless.

Frostbite for example has no visual indicator that it does anything different from Advancing Yokeda, so even from a roleplay perspective, they feel virtually the same. Had it been a situation like a Stam Sorc using Storm Fist, then maybe I'd understand... But these sets I've listed are all just stat multipliers, they do nothing for role play beyond making you weaker, so they fail on multiple fronts.

Finally, a set like AY buffs your healing, all of the element focused sets do nothing for that regard unless they happen to have a "heal based on damage done" effect like DK's Flame Claw. All the more reason that these should be more powerful, the visual appeal being your element focussed playstyle hits harder than any other set combo you could use. That, I would understand.

Yeah for sure. It does need more. They should up the minor brittle damage to 4% at the very least

madmufffin · October 6

MashmalloMan wrote: »

Still needs to be 20% or above to exceed generic sets like Advancing Yokeda if you ask me. I'm sure a parser can prove any number of generic meta sets can do better, even if you're going all in on frost, which noticeably tanks your DPS in the 1st place.

I'll never understand why their spreadsheets don't account for this. Why do niche, focussed sets perform worse even when you build for them? If you can't use them on a niche setup, then why would a general build use them either? They literally have no place in the game.
Ritualist is bad for a pet tamer (Grave Lord + Animal Companions + Daedric Summoning).

Xanmeer Spellweaver is bad for an Elementalist (Storm Calling + Aedric Flame + Winters Embrace).

All the "ws damage for x element abilities" sets have been dead for 8+ years.

What's even more confusing is how empty you feel when you attempt to make these sets work. For example, someone may say to themselves "well, I'm okay to lose 10% of my DPS because I get to role play the theme I'm going for by using this set". I know this happens, because I used to make the same sacrifices before I realized it was poointless.

Frostbite for example has no visual indicator that it does anything different from Advancing Yokeda, so even from a roleplay perspective, they feel virtually the same. Had it been a situation like a Stam Sorc using Storm Fist, then maybe I'd understand... But these sets I've listed are all just stat multipliers, they do nothing for role play beyond making you weaker, so they fail on multiple fronts.

Finally, a set like AY buffs your healing, all of the element focused sets do nothing for that regard unless they happen to have a "heal based on damage done" effect like DK's Flame Claw. All the more reason that these should be more powerful, the visual appeal being your element focussed playstyle hits harder than any other set combo you could use. That, I would understand.

Come on now. The set functions properly now. We can't expect it to be good too

There's 200 sets in the game and we can't be given the dev effort to have more than 7 of them good at any given time. We just have to accept that and live with it. As to the aesthetic, they just took antlers off the new mythic, so we're definitely not getting anything added to old stuff.

MashmalloMan · October 6

madmufffin wrote: »

MashmalloMan wrote: »

Still needs to be 20% or above to exceed generic sets like Advancing Yokeda if you ask me. I'm sure a parser can prove any number of generic meta sets can do better, even if you're going all in on frost, which noticeably tanks your DPS in the 1st place.

I'll never understand why their spreadsheets don't account for this. Why do niche, focussed sets perform worse even when you build for them? If you can't use them on a niche setup, then why would a general build use them either? They literally have no place in the game.
Ritualist is bad for a pet tamer (Grave Lord + Animal Companions + Daedric Summoning).

Xanmeer Spellweaver is bad for an Elementalist (Storm Calling + Aedric Flame + Winters Embrace).

All the "ws damage for x element abilities" sets have been dead for 8+ years.

What's even more confusing is how empty you feel when you attempt to make these sets work. For example, someone may say to themselves "well, I'm okay to lose 10% of my DPS because I get to role play the theme I'm going for by using this set". I know this happens, because I used to make the same sacrifices before I realized it was poointless.

Frostbite for example has no visual indicator that it does anything different from Advancing Yokeda, so even from a roleplay perspective, they feel virtually the same. Had it been a situation like a Stam Sorc using Storm Fist, then maybe I'd understand... But these sets I've listed are all just stat multipliers, they do nothing for role play beyond making you weaker, so they fail on multiple fronts.

Finally, a set like AY buffs your healing, all of the element focused sets do nothing for that regard unless they happen to have a "heal based on damage done" effect like DK's Flame Claw. All the more reason that these should be more powerful, the visual appeal being your element focussed playstyle hits harder than any other set combo you could use. That, I would understand.

As to the aesthetic, they just took antlers off the new mythic, so we're definitely not getting anything added to old stuff.

This was particularly baffling because this is the exact type of solution required for niche stat based sets with no visual identity that I was referencing. I didn't even consider this, but if we can't have niche sets perform competitively for their intended niche, at the very least we could look cool while doing it.

Nope. 😂

SaffronCitrusflower · October 7

What is a good warden build for PvP right now anyway?

Asking since my attempt to make a frost warden using frostbite turned out pretty mediocre for sure. I see people who've pulled it off, but I can't figure out how.