Do you prefer a Speed Run or a Slower Run for queued Dungeons?

colossalvoids · September 26

Do not care personally. I might prefer a "speed run" if short on time but won't mind doing it properly, generally sticking with the majority of the group or checking if people don't mind going faster and if they can keep up.

exiars10 · September 26

This is biased binary poll.
How about "no" to both?

How about I'm fine with speed run if Rambo / Leeroy Jenkins clears trash. I get grouped with players like that, and I have no issue with them.
Because if Leeroy Jenkins doesn't clear trash in dungeons with a lot of doors, we get combat stuck and spend much more time, because Leeroy now has to backtrack and kill skipped trash. This happens so many times.

Yesterday, Selene's pledge. 2 Leeyroy Jenkins DD speed run it, but forgot to kill trash before Selene so we got combat stuck bug and couldn't read scroll, because you can't backtrask (cliff) so I left after 2 min and took leave penalty. Imagine spending 1 min at most to clear trash before the last boss, what a horror. But good news, 4 following Selene's pledge runs were clean and efficient.

P. S.
I stopped playing group dungeons for quite some time because of issues like that, only play now for double keys, and to finish Sticker book, which I did.

MasterSpatula wrote: »

Believe it or not, this question isn't binary. You don't have to either mosey along--hitting all the side bosses, looting every backpack, and admiring the scenery--or blast your way from boss to boss. I'd say most folks I know prefer an efficient run but also want to actually kill the adds and loot chests, for example.

This. It's not a binary choice.

SeaGtGruff · September 26

I very rarely queue for dungeons, but if I were to do so then I'd prefer to proceed the same way as when I solo a dungeon-- do a slow and thorough sweep of all mobs and bosses.

Last'One · September 26

I honestly don’t mind whether we do a true speed run or take it slow, as long as we’re actually playing the game. I pay to enjoy the full experience, so just skipping all the trash and running straight to the boss isn’t really a speed run, it’s just skipping content.

I’ll never understand why someone logs into the game only to immediately avoid most of it. A proper speed run can be fun in certain dungeons, for example, City of Ash II, while a slower, more relaxed run can be just as enjoyable in other places. What matters is that we’re still engaging with the dungeon, not skipping the game entirely.

That’s why I think your poll is missing an important distinction. It shouldn’t just ask about speed runs versus slower runs, it should ask:

Do you prefer skipping the game, doing a true speed run, or a slower, more complete run in queued dungeons?

licenturion · September 26

Last'One wrote: »

That’s why I think your poll is missing an important distinction. It shouldn’t just ask about speed runs versus slower runs, it should ask:

Do you prefer skipping the game, doing a true speed run, or a slower, more complete run in queued dungeons?

That is an entirely different question than what OP is asking. This is about what people GENERALLY prefer. I don't know why people have a problem with the question or come up with exception cases. This is a straightforward question.

You also steer answers if you put stuff like 'prefer skipping the game' in your question.

I voted for speedrun. I always follow what the group does, but my preference is speedrun because I have done these dungeons many many times so I don't feel that I skip content. The stories in those dungeons are the same everytime.

waebbl · September 26

I tend more to slower runs. The speed of the slowest group member determines the speed. When playing in an organized group, being in voice chat, where I know the people and everyone knows the dungeon, going for speed is ok.

Dungeons are team play. If I like to go speed of light and only my ego determines how fast I like to go, I run the dungeon solo or with a like-minded group. Forcing my ego on others, likely unknown people, who might have to do quests or side bosses for achievement or leads is anti-social from my point of view.

Dimorphos · September 26

Daily random I want fast because I do it only for daily rewards. I will not wait you, I can solo them, I will que as fake healer or tank, don't care because I can solo them. This being said I think we need story mode dungeons for people who are doing dungeon quests and wants to go through everything in no hurry.

I also think we need some dungeon + system for raised difficulty and better rewards. Now only newest dlc trifecta runs offer that challenge. Too easy becomes boring and kills the game for you. For me at least. There needs to be much more challenging content so there is a reason for subclassing and scribing enhanced god-mode builds.

So, daily stuff I want fast please, and wish for more challenges please. Also I think ESO should embrace esports like WOW and have real ranking list competition.

SilverBride · September 26

exiars10 wrote: »

This is biased binary poll.How about "no" to both?

The poll isn't asking a "yes" or "no" question.

Last'One · September 26

licenturion wrote: »

Last'One wrote: »

That’s why I think your poll is missing an important distinction. It shouldn’t just ask about speed runs versus slower runs, it should ask:

Do you prefer skipping the game, doing a true speed run, or a slower, more complete run in queued dungeons?

That is an entirely different question than what OP is asking. This is about what people GENERALLY prefer. I don't know why people have a problem with the question or come up with exception cases. This is a straightforward question.

You also steer answers if you put stuff like 'prefer skipping the game' in your question.

I voted for speedrun. I always follow what the group does, but my preference is speedrun because I have done these dungeons many many times so I don't feel that I skip content. The stories in those dungeons are the same everytime.

I understand the OP’s poll perfectly fine, but we have to agree: these days, maybe 80% of random dungeons are done as speed runs. But what are we really seeing, a speed run, or just content skipping? From my point of view, I haven’t seen a true “speed run” in a long time. All I see is “skipping content.”

The way this poll is made, a lot of people will reply that they prefer “speed runs,” when in fact they prefer skipping. And that’s not what the OP is actually asking. That’s why I say he’s missing the “skipping” option in his poll. This way, results won’t be accurate for sure.

ApoAlaia · September 26

Mandatory 'Other'.

Getting this out of the way first, this is from the perspective of a player that only PUGs pledge base game dungeons (other than the ones that have HM mechanics that players have to think about like CoH2 for instance, I learned to not PUG those) and normal DLC dungeons during the Undaunted event (to take advantage of the event boxes to complete the stickerbook).

Anything else I do it with friends.

Given that I might need to queue for up to 20 mins before it 'pops' whether is a 'speed' or a 'slow' run makes little overall difference to me. I am happy to adapt to the context the best I can.

What makes a tangible difference - to me - is having the person who queued as a tank know what they are doing if the dungeon I'm queueing for is Naj-Caldeesh; I have the feeling that the team created the 'normal' version of this dungeon for the game they'd like ESO to be, not for the game that it actually is.

I haven't encountered a dungeon that is more tedious to PUG since the good old days of CoS.

Wish I could convince my friends that completing the stickerbook is a great activity worthy of their time

Sarannah · September 26

Other: I like to go as fast as possible, by clearing all the main bosses/enemies and looting all chests/sacks. Basically normal speed. Not speedrunner fast or side boss/quest dialog slow. (Note: I do always wait for those questing)

Nemesis7884 · September 26

New dungeons? Or Story? Slow of course, but if im doing the same pledge dungeons for the 1000s time or farming gear then as fast as possible....especially gear farming for new dungeos is just very tedious...

If zos reduces the grind people will also speedrun less...

Zyaneth_Bal · September 26

SilverBride wrote: »

Do you prefer to speed run through queued dungeons or take it slower and do all bosses?

The poll looks very odd to me. Speed running means minimizing completion time. Ofc we aren’t talking optimized strats and such here which means in this context speed running is about members doing their job. Isn’t that what everyone is trying to do in their own capacity? Preferring slow runs almost implies purposefully wasting time, like admiring the scenery or staring at a boss instead of dealing damage.

If you have a very specific goal like that you don’t queue, you put together a group of like
minded players yourself. Because in queue the only goal is to complete the dungeon and everyone(in theory) is expected to contribute.

So imo the second option looks plain wrong if not toxic. Naturally can always ask and see if everyone agrees though

scrappy1342 · September 26

ESO_player123 wrote: »

You could have split the answers for base game and DLC dungeons (make 4 options instead of 2). As I said before, my answers would be opposite for these 2 categories (fast for base game, slow for DLC). As-is, there is no way to choose an answer.

this would defeat the purpose of the poll because they want to know what ppl are thinking when they queue for random. the game does not split the queue into dlc or base, so that does not matter here. you are putting too much thought into it. if you don't like the options, then don't vote. it's not a big deal. this isn't research or anything that is going to change anything in the game. it is simply something someone is curious about. a conversation starter.

twisttop138 · September 26

DenverRalphy wrote: »

I prefer to go at the best pace for all participants. If all 4 are vets who are just there for the keys, pledge, rnd's, etc.. I'll happily go as fast as the party wishes to go. If there's someone there doing the quest, I'll just as happily take a leisurely stroll through the dungeon to accomodate. If it's somewhere in between where some want to loot everything, I'm fine with that too.

This is the answer. I answered slowly because I run a lot of guild mates who are new to vet content through dungeons and we go slowly, explaining add pulls and how the adds telegraph the next boss mechs and the bosses themselves. When I do random dungeons I will go at the pace dictated by the group. Wether or not I'm tanking is irrelevant, if they wanna go fast, we'll zoom. The only caveat is people doing quests. We all know base game dungeons have some pretty outdated quest stuff and tons of talking. I don't wanna mess up someone's skill point. I would like it if we could just try to be courteous and understanding of the others in our team but you have to understand that random means random. If you are dead set on a certain way, your best bet would be to form a guild group.

Trier_Sero · September 26

Go fast but kill everything that is in the way, except maybe for LoM, CoA 2 and parts of ICP

Aylish · September 26

I prefer doing dungeons fast AND properly. It‘s absolutely possible and the pace alone says nothing about how (in-) complete the run is.

I don‘t want to be stuck in there forever.

So my choice would be 3: Speedrun with everything.

AzuraFan · September 26

SilverBride wrote: »

The poll is not biased. With any poll there are always an infinite number of variables. Way too many to list.

But this poll is asking a simple question. When queueing for a dungeon, which do you prefer? A speed run or a slower complete run?

It's biased because it offers only a speed run or a slow run, as if those are the only possibilities that players have a preference for. The poll at least needs a "neither" because you left out what I believe is what most people want: a run where the group moves together and kills most of what it comes across. No speed running. No meandering. Just progress through the dungeon together at a decent clip. That's what 95% of the pugs I've been in do.

Without that choice, this poll is meaningless.

ETA: Also, your slower run option includes optional bosses. Where is the choice for a run with just the main bosses, which is what 99% of NON-speed running pugs will do? Basically you're offering 2 choices out of a possible 4 or 5. People who don't want to speed run might prefer not to do optional bosses, but they might choose "slower run with optional bosses" because of your limited options, and you'll be like, "See, everyone prefers to do optional bosses!" But they don't.

SilverBride · September 26

This poll was purposely made simple. This gives players the freedom to customize their choices in their comments.

jaws343 · September 26

Other

I want efficient runs. I don't want to dilly dally reading all of the books and checking all of the nooks and crannies for queued group runs. These should be completion focused, not exploration focused imo. Exploration should be relegated to pre-made groups and solo clears.

Respect everyone's time and complete the dungeon efficiently. IF that means pulling a room of enemies to the boss, and the DPS can handle that, then do it.

SilverIce58 · September 26

I would prefer primarily doing every boss, but I can see the want to speed through especially when its right before bed and you want a quick run. There definitely needs to be more queue choices for this though. Let those who want a fast run queue for speed-runs, and let those who want slower queue for a full run.

Necrotech_Master · September 26

cant really answer, because "speed runs" can also mean different things to different people

for some, a "speed run" is ignoring all mobs and only killing required bosses to get to the end as fast as possible

there can also be a "speed run" which is a standard dungeon run in which you complete with in the time limit for the speed run achievement (which usually do require killing everything in the dungeon for newer dungeons, excluding side bosses)

i dont expect any queued run to kill optional bosses (as they can take a good bit of time depending on dungeon, and dont drop weapons making them mostly pointless for those who have the gear already), but i also (personally) dont expect a queued dungeon run to be the type of speed run where people are completely ignoring mobs and only killing required bosses

cyclonus11 · September 26

The typical speed runner ends up messing things up, causing the dungeon to take longer than it needs to be - either by dying (sucks if you're needing that no death achievement!), or by slowing everyone down because we all have aggro 100% of the time, or not being able to advance the dungeon due to aggro way back somewhere that we now have to go find and eliminate.

The fastest dungeon runs in my experience have been with high AOE DPS who actually stop at each pack of trash mobs to kill them first before moving to the next.

AzuraFan · September 26

SilverBride wrote: »

This poll was purposely made simple. This gives players the freedom to customize their choices in their comments.

If you were interested in people customizing their choices in the comments, why didn't you offer an "Other. Please explain in the comments" option like many other poll creators do? Or why not just simply ask the question, rather than creating a poll?

Anyway, beating a dead horse, but I don't like polls that are designed to push people into one extreme or the other, like this one clearly was.

SilverBride · September 26

There was no need to offer an "other" because players don't need to vote to comment. I wish though that all of the comments were about the topic rather than my poll choices.

AzuraFan · September 26

SilverBride wrote: »

There was no need to offer an "other" because players don't need to vote to comment.

Which is why the poll is meaningless. It tells us nothing, because players who don't prefer one of the two extremes you offered either won't vote, or will choose something they don't really prefer. For instance, I chose the slower run, even though most of the time, I prefer not to do the optional bosses. So what do the results mean? Nothing.

People are commenting on the poll choices because they can see it's a flawed poll. But carry on. I won't comment on the choices any further.

CameraBeardThePirate · September 26

I don't think the two options are mutually exclusive.

If I'm there for a Pledge, 90% of the time I wanna be in and out as fast as possible.

If the dungeon has good gear, I want to do every optional boss for more loot drops.

SilverBride · September 26

Players either want a fast run or a slower one. Their comments will indicate how far they prefer their choice to go.

CameraBeardThePirate · September 26

SilverBride wrote: »

Players either want a fast run or a slower one. Their comments will indicate how far they prefer their choice to go.

Except as I literally just said, it's not a binary choice. It depends on context. Having just two options for a poll like this is silly when there are way more options than 2 binary extremes.

SilverBride · September 26

Voting on this poll is optional. Players can choose not to vote but still comment on the topic.