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Serious issues with the billing system and a lack of response from support.

thestalkingwolfb16_ESO
@ZOS_JessicaFolsom‌

I have three transactions where funds have actually been removed from my credit card, yet when I log into my account it still says I have no subscription setup.

Problem 1; I still havent heard back from my tickets if it wasnt for me sitting on hold for a few hours I would still not even know if anyone is actually looking at this ticket.

Problem 2; ZOS still has my money but I still have no subscription (which the phone support was kind enough to admit is a problem on ZOS' end, where is the public notification?)

Problem 3; Until right now I was banned from the forums without explanation what is going on. Frankly it looks like when my 30 days of free play time stopped your system automatically banned me from the forums limiting my ability to seek immediate support.

Problem 4; From past experience ZOS' ticket system will cause 4 people to answer my tickets because I have no ability to update tickets. No offence but this is a huge waste of resources and all I end up with is four people telling me they have no idea whats going on. Instead of one person dealing with one ticket or one person responding to all open tickets for my email address ZOS' wastes an hour and a half of wages answering tickets. ZOS is impeding its own efforts to offer reasonable support.

Problem 5; This is a social game. Because of the social aspect of the game playing with friends is one of the features of the game. Between the mass ban incident where I was wrongfully banned and now this billing issue which has occupied another weekend of play time. Now those people that I initially started to play with are a full vet zone ahead of me.

The bottom line for me. I can handle any amount of bugs in the game, I have been in betas and alphas since 96'. What I do have a major problem with is any game developer going live with bugs in their billing system, support system or punishment system. For any company that has more then one title already published this is not acceptable, especially the billing system.

I'm not even mad, I'm just disappointed.
  • heykattelinub17_ESO
    heykattelinub17_ESO
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    I'm having similar issues with the billing system. I submitted tickets and my phone number. It said that I would be called back in estimated under a minute. Never got a call, and that was over an hour ago. I guess all we can do is whine and hope they notice us.
  • Adryssa_Joneley
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    My husband is having the same issue as well. He set up his 180 days renewal around 4/4/2014 and last friday came the day for them to charge his card. Obviously, instead of it doing that, he tried to log in and said his account was expired. Ok, so he thought, "i'll set it up in case it somehow didn't work." He did that. Not a problem. His account was re-activated and in he went. We played for around 4 hours before bed.

    Come Saturday morning, he tries to log into the game. His account is Expired. LIKE WHAT????? OK, now what's up. He checked his bank account, and sure enough, there was a pending payment with money missing from his debit card. He opened around 4 tickets, but they were completely ignored, apart from one that told him to call his bank. So he did.

    The bank told him that due to the gaming company attempting to DOUBLE DIP and take payment twice very close to each other, the bank cut the second attempt off. (Not that it mattered because he only had enough money on his debit card to pay for his sub and that's it). So the bank said that the first one is fine and its gone through, but the customer service on ZoS side has to do whatever they need to do on THEIR end to complete transaction.

    Anyway, Saturday came and went. Nothing else was done. Come Sunday... it came and went.... still no active account. So by 5:15pm Sunday, my husband requested a callback from CS and they did call back within 15 minutes and explained that its happening to a lot of people and are working hard to rectify the situation and admitted that the problem seemed to be on their end. But also said either way, they will contact my husband within 4-6 hours either by phone or email. "Ok, that's fine" hubby told them. I mean, what else can he do, right?

    Sunday gone, come Monday. All day, not even a peep out of them. And now Tuesday, haven't checked since last night, but will find out once he gets home from rehab. (what a crappy way to spend your time off work recovering from a badly sprained ankle. Can't even log into the game to help keep his mind off his pain. This only causes MORE pain).

    ANYWAY, that's our story.
  • thestalkingwolfb16_ESO
    @Adryssa_Joneley‌ I'm in the same boat... What can I do? The only option I have outside of resolving the issue with ZOS is to file fraudulent charges with Mastercard. I spoke with Mastercard on the phone and they explained it was the only option I had and I had a limited time to file the report. I also tried paypal to see if it was just an issue with their credit card processing and they said the same thing the only option I have outside of resolving this with ZOS is to report the transactions as fraudulent.

    What do I do? If ZOS wont communicate I have no options at all, its not like I'm going to just let them keep my money.
  • Evergnar
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    I finally had to get a game card. Didn't want to commit to 60 days but its either that or quit.

    To me it looks like they are doing specific types of batch transactions similar to hotels or rental car companies. The kind they put x amount on hold until the final cost is determined. I have no idea why they are doing this as the price for sub is clear and should be a final sale.
  • thestalkingwolfb16_ESO
    Evergnar wrote: »
    I finally had to get a game card. Didn't want to commit to 60 days but its either that or quit.

    To me it looks like they are doing specific types of batch transactions similar to hotels or rental car companies. The kind they put x amount on hold until the final cost is determined. I have no idea why they are doing this as the price for sub is clear and should be a final sale.

    I am fine with them putting an authorization on my card. That is expected. When they take multiple authorizations then actually remove the funds from my account and I still dont have an active subscription it becomes a problem.
  • felixgamingx1
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    So many angry people already dropped the game. It's almost single player now
  • Adryssa_Joneley
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    Hubby is home now... and went into his account. Nope, still unsubscribed. /sigh
  • thestalkingwolfb16_ESO
    Still no response. Last day before I claim the charges are fraudulent...
  • KerinKor
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    So many angry people already dropped the game. It's almost single player now
    Care to provide some evidence for this inane comment?

  • Dita
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    So many angry people already dropped the game. It's almost single player now

    Not true! There are thousands upon thousands of bots.
    "Begun the Bot Wars has"
  • o_0
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    Sorry ;) ZOS cant help or provide good customer service till they hire the following...

    Community Coordinator
    Division: ZeniMax Online Studios | Department: Community | Location: Hunt Valley, US-MD, US

    Community Director
    Division: ZeniMax Online Studios | Department: Community | Location: Hunt Valley, US-MD, US

    Payment Analyst - Contact Center
    Division: ZeniMax Online Studios | Department: Customer Support | Location: Hunt Valley, US-MD, US

    Source: http://jobs.zenimax.com/locations/view/7

  • thestalkingwolfb16_ESO
    KerinKor wrote: »
    So many angry people already dropped the game. It's almost single player now
    Care to provide some evidence for this inane comment?
    Dita wrote: »
    So many angry people already dropped the game. It's almost single player now

    Not true! There are thousands upon thousands of bots.

    Don't try and hijack my thread. I have a serious problem here and if it is ignored because the community starts discussing topic that have nothing to do with my post...
  • Dita
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    You won't get a response from them, if you didn't get one by now.
    Sorry, I'll stop posting here, if you think this will help you! Good luck!
    "Begun the Bot Wars has"
  • thestalkingwolfb16_ESO
    Dita wrote: »
    You won't get a response from them, if you didn't get one by now.
    Sorry, I'll stop posting here, if you think this will help you! Good luck!

    Its about documenting the steps I took to resolve the issues. I need to prove that I made reasonable efforts to resolve this issue and they need to be well documented.
  • thestalkingwolfb16_ESO
    Time is up if I dont report the transactions as fraudulent in the next 2 hours then I give up my right to dispute them.
  • Rhoric
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    You will not get a response on the forums about a billing issue. Billing issues can only be dealt with thru tickets. If you have not submitted a ticket using the category for billing issue then it is no wonder they have not gotten back to you. I sent a ticket using that back concerning the pre auth on my card, got a response back within hours.
  • thestalkingwolfb16_ESO
    Rhoric wrote: »
    You will not get a response on the forums about a billing issue. Billing issues can only be dealt with thru tickets. If you have not submitted a ticket using the category for billing issue then it is no wonder they have not gotten back to you. I sent a ticket using that back concerning the pre auth on my card, got a response back within hours.

    Im guessing you dont read the entire thread before posting... To dispute charges you need to show that you have attempted to resolved the problem in a reasonable manner. Ive contacted support via the following ticket numbers;

    Ticket numbers;
    140512-000065
    140511-065704
    140512-000778
    140424-040932

    I have contact support by phone twice both times I recorded the conversations and Ive messages the CMs directly via the forums.

    This should represent a reasonable attempt to resolve the dispute in a timely manner.
  • thestalkingwolfb16_ESO
    I certainly hope someone from ZOS is reading this even if they are not responding.

    The call I just had with ZOS support was bad, and I mean bad enough I was just done. Basically they said their hands were tied and nothing could be done at this time. The person I was talking to told me to go to the nearest game stop and buy some time because it was the only option. I wouldn't make it there tonight and getting there would be a substantial drive and thus fuel cost. He repeatedly went to talk to his boss to see what else could be done but came back with the same answer. Needless to say I was not impressed on any account and asked if the problem was on their end why wouldnt they just give me 3 days time again until they solved the issue which he said he couldn't. Again he talked to his boss repeastedly and still the answer did not change. I ended the call before I said anything offensive and was about ready to figure out how to refund my game purchase.

    After about 5 minutes to calm down I logged into my account to see what I could do and that person managed to talk his boss into adding time to my account while they fixed the billing issue.

    I am one to hold people accountable when they make mistakes but doing that means I have to also highlight times when people do the right thing or go out of their way to make things right. This doesn't fix the issues listed above but this person I was speaking to continued working on my cases after the phone was hung up to attempt to bring something positive to an already negative situation. Its not like he personally could fix the billing issue but he did what he could within his ability and that should be acknowledged.
  • Rhoric
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    Rhoric wrote: »
    You will not get a response on the forums about a billing issue. Billing issues can only be dealt with thru tickets. If you have not submitted a ticket using the category for billing issue then it is no wonder they have not gotten back to you. I sent a ticket using that back concerning the pre auth on my card, got a response back within hours.

    Im guessing you dont read the entire thread before posting... To dispute charges you need to show that you have attempted to resolved the problem in a reasonable manner. Ive contacted support via the following ticket numbers;

    Ticket numbers;
    140512-000065
    140511-065704
    140512-000778
    140424-040932

    I have contact support by phone twice both times I recorded the conversations and Ive messages the CMs directly via the forums.

    This should represent a reasonable attempt to resolve the dispute in a timely manner.

    I'm guessing you don't know how to properly talk to CS. Being rude to them is a good way to get your tickets ignored. Opening multiple tickets doesn't help either, threats to claim the charges as fraud gets you nowhere fast also. One ticket will do, be polite, explain properly what happened, don't ramble on, be clear. My tickets I sent in have all been clear and polite and have been answered as quick as possible, longest ticket to get a response was 2 days. And raging on the forums doesn't help either.
    Edited by Rhoric on May 14, 2014 11:22PM
  • thestalkingwolfb16_ESO
    Rhoric wrote: »

    I'm guessing you don't know how to properly talk to CS. Being rude to them is a good way to get your tickets ignored. Opening multiple tickets doesn't help either, threats to claim the charges as fraud gets you nowhere fast also. One ticket will do, be polite, explain properly what happened, don't ramble on, be clear. My tickets I sent in have all been clear and polite and have been answered as quick as possible, longest ticket to get a response was 2 days. And raging on the forums doesn't help either.

    Thanks for posting the obvious captain obvious. Maybe you can post on threads where its actually constructive.

    The reason why I am not getting an answer is likely because 1 they are still figuring out what went wrong and why I am was charged multiple times and two because they need to be cautious about a response for legal reasons. This is expected but not the best course of action. Communication with your customers builds customer retention.

    So next time you decide to write a post with your foot stuffed so far in your mouth you cant understand what you are talking about just back away from the keyboard and don't post negative bs since you are clearly a part of the problem and not a part of the solution. Go be a troll on reddit not here.
    Edited by thestalkingwolfb16_ESO on May 15, 2014 10:54PM
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