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Grimoires

Petoften
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I see that some grmoires are targeted to class, like shield, two hand, heal, etc. But others aren't, like trample and torch bearer.

My pet sorcerer isn't sure which of the non-specific grimoires to use for a spall and why.
  • Petoften
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    While I'm at it, for a general aoe damage spellI'm picking between the very different 'sorcery and brutality' and 'off balance'. I don't see anything else giving me the major brutality and sorcery, making it attractive.
  • Petoften
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    Also considering whether to use magic damage or shock damage, which is slightly higher.
  • Nemesis7884
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    They are all targeted to skill lines from guilds or weapons that are ususally accessible to every class...what damage type depends on your passives and what you want to do (status effects for examples)...play around with the scribing simulator on eso hub
    Edited by Nemesis7884 on August 10, 2025 11:25AM
  • Petoften
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    I still don't have info though on which grimoire to pick and why.
  • tomofhyrule
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    https://eso-hub.com/en/scribing
    Here's a whole site talking about grimoires and how the Scribing system works.

    It's specifically open ended to be applicable to any builds, so you can pick and choose what you want. There are currently Grimoires for all weapon lines, Mages and Fighters guild lines, two for Soul magic, and the Assault and Support lines. I wouldn't be surprised if we get more in the future, especially now that Scribing is basegame and there are some basegame lines that don't have one (Undaunted, Werewolf, Vampire).

    A lot of those buffs can be sourced from other places like your class skills, so you'll want to see what buffs your classes and sets provide so you don't double up. Most of this is based on what your build is and what your intentions are though, so it's hard to give suggestions without any information on what you have.

    Though building for fun is also a totally valid suggestion, and a lot of the Scribed skills are fun to use even if they're not meta.
  • Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO
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    Petoften wrote: »
    I see that some grmoires are targeted to class, like shield, two hand, heal, etc. But others aren't, like trample and torch bearer.

    My pet sorcerer isn't sure which of the non-specific grimoires to use for a spall and why.

    ESO content creators will generally mention which scribed skills and the modifications for each skill on their various builds.
    If you're not sure what to do try following one of those guides until you can make more informed choices.
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  • Petoften
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    Tom, thanks but that link has no info at all on why to pick one grimoire versus another. Perhaps it makes no difference for the non-weapon grimoires except that you can use it.
  • tomofhyrule
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    Petoften wrote: »
    Tom, thanks but that link has no info at all on why to pick one grimoire versus another. Perhaps it makes no difference for the non-weapon grimoires except that you can use it.

    We can't really answer why you'd choose one over the other without knowing your goals though.

    You say you play a pet sorcerer. Do you mean you play a heavy attack build? Do you Subclass? Do you notice you need more damage? More healing? More resources? Is there a hole in your build you want to fill?

    Many people use the Banner Bearer grimoire, but that's because they're parent Arcanists and the Class Script is overtuned (and is getting an adjustment next week). Many PvPers choose a Warden parent Class to again enjoy the Class Script for that. Players who are tanking favor the Wield Soul grimoire with a pull Script on it since that's a better pull than any skill save possibly DK's chain, and in some cases it's even better than that. Healers get a lot of use out of Contingency since it's incredibly strong. There are also ult-gen builds that use Trample, along with that being used if you just want to throw a mammoth at people for the lulz.

    There are a lot of Grimoires for a lot of purposes, and "which ones are good" is going to be totally different depending on what you're trying to do. Pretty well the only Scribed skill that really isn't seen much is Torchbearer. We need more information about your build and your playstyle before we can say which would be good for you.
  • Petoften
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    We can't really answer why you'd choose one over the other without knowing your goals though.

    I really think people can. I don't need to know where you want to drive to explain the gas pedal and brakes. It's discussing the differences in the grimoires, not a particular application.
    You say you play a pet sorcerer. Do you mean you play a heavy attack build? Do you Subclass? Do you notice you need more damage? More healing? More resources? Is there a hole in your build you want to fill?

    No, no, more damage is always nice, no, no, if there's hole it might be that I'd like a nice aoe attack.

    But none of that changes the question of how the grimoires work.
    Many people use the Banner Bearer grimoire, but that's because they're parent Arcanists and the Class Script is overtuned (and is getting an adjustment next week). Many PvPers choose a Warden parent Class to again enjoy the Class Script for that. Players who are tanking favor the Wield Soul grimoire with a pull Script on it since that's a better pull than any skill save possibly DK's chain, and in some cases it's even better than that.

    OK. Why is the Wield Soul grimoire with pull better than the sword and tank grimoire with pull?

    To comment on the answer to my question, one difference in the grimoires is that not all scripts can be used with all.

    That would be one reason to use one grimoire over another. I'm asking about other reasons.
    Healers get a lot of use out of Contingency since it's incredibly strong. There are also ult-gen builds that use Trample, along with that being used if you just want to throw a mammoth at people for the lulz.

    But how is trample different than any other grimoire that can use ult-gen scripts - is it only the compatibility?
    There are a lot of Grimoires for a lot of purposes, and "which ones are good" is going to be totally different depending on what you're trying to do. Pretty well the only Scribed skill that really isn't seen much is Torchbearer. We need more information about your build and your playstyle before we can say which would be good for you.

    Instead of saying 'here's what I want to do, which grimoire', I'm asking how they work to then see which fits what I want.
    Edited by Petoften on August 13, 2025 9:14PM
  • tomofhyrule
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    Petoften wrote: »
    Instead of saying 'here's what I want to do, which grimoire', I'm asking how they work to then see which fits what I want.

    That's a way bigger question than can be answered by anyone here.

    The basic way to plan Scribing is one of two paths.

    For sweatier stuff, you need to ask yourself:
    • What buffs do you want?
    • What Grimoires offer those buffs?
    • What are the costs/cast times of those skills?
    Those are then going to narrow down the possibilites you would want to look at.

    For more casual overland stuff:
    • What kinds of things do you want to do?
    • What scripts are available on those Grimoires?
    and then you go from there.

    The big thing though is the system is designed for you to test it all out yourself.

    So, I'll use myself as an example:
    I saw the Shield Toss grimoire, and I wanted that because it looks fun. I've always wanted a ranged interrupt without needing a staff, so that means I'll either take the Knight's Valor signature script or the Interrupt Affix script. As for the focus, I thought Multi-target would be fun for a ricochet, but I really likes the knockback from that one. I tried a few options and went with a good one.
    Note this is a for-fun setup.

    For more important content, I know my tanks need a chain pull, but only DK has that natively. Leashing Soul is an easy choice since it feels a lot like DK chains (Silver Leash feels awkward to use), and they aren't set up with sword-and-board so I can't use that. I do also have some who have a tank loadout using dual wield, but the multi-target is great there for the Warrior's Opportunity script so I don't want to have to change that over and over.

    Banner Bearer is used by a lot of DDs in endgame content, provided your healers are mitigating the resource drain. The choice of which element is based on what your common damage type is, so you can't immediately say one is better than the other since different players use different damage types. Healing Contingency is also a very strong heal as well.

    But really, there are not direct answers with this. The system is designed to be played with and tested, so you can see what various builds recommend, but the best thing to do is see which holes you have in your build you'd like to patch and then target those.

    Edited by tomofhyrule on August 13, 2025 10:04PM
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    You can read the description of each grimoire under it's corresponding demo video here https://deltiasgaming.com/eso-all-scribing-grimoires-and-scripts/. They explain the differences between them.

    Example:
    The Contingency Grimore is from the Mages Guild skill line and is a 24-second duration buff. The spell triggers an additional effect when you reach a certain resource amount, like sub 25%. This can be a helpful replacement for a back bar buff like Psijic Order Channeled Acceleration.

    The best way is probably to play with the scribing calculator as was suggested in one of the previous replies. This way you will be able to see what's what without the need to spend the ink.
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    Think of Grimoires as abilities and the Scripts as morphs of those abilities.

    Asking which Grimoire is better to use is like asking which of the other abilities are better to use. There isn't — and shouldn't — be a single answer to this question for every context.


    Though, if you ask me, the best Grimoire(s) would be for the Werewolf skill line, if/when we get them. In terms of overall value to your build, a Werewolf Grimoire adds more value to a Werewolf build than a non-Werewolf Grimoire adds to a non-Werewolf build, because the human form has access to many more skills and effects which are sometimes redundant with existing Grimoires, while Werewolf does not.

    EDIT: While a Werewolf Grimoire wouldn't be usable for a petsorc build as described in the original post, I would like to mention that Sorcerer's Class Mastery would have a unique interaction with your Werewolf form. The Pack Leader morph has pets (one of the two dire wolves will heal allies up to once a second while they attack) while Werewolf Berserker does not have pets (you will deal Shock Damage to enemies). Just something to consider for the future!
    Edited by Erickson9610 on August 14, 2025 12:44AM
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