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Overhead nameplates would be a good option
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Swampster✭✭✭leandro.800ub17_ESO wrote: »
Even if you turn off its the server load of the ones that turn it on that affect all not the PC
If what you say is correct.. which I SERIOUSLY doubt, then considering every MMO since the stone age has managed to have name plates without inducing server side lag would suggest that the ESO servers are utter garbage or the ESO devs haven't got a clue about coding..
Oh wait.. you might be onto something!
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✭Hard to believe it would be any kind of noticeable hit at all. Considering pretty much every single other MMO out there has them. Just one more tiny piece of info on the screen, no more of a hit (probably much less) then the server takes passing information about the gloves someone in my field of view is wearing or the client takes when rendering them client-side.Edited by daneyulebub17_ESO on May 15, 2014 5:26PMThis message confirms that you have successfully cancelled your subscription to The Elder Scrolls Online. You will no longer be charged for a subscription on a recurring basis, and your access to the game will expire at the end of your current subscription cycle.
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Niliu✭✭✭daneyulebub17_ESO wrote: »Has anyone at Zeni said, yay or nay, about optional overhead nameplates yet in their talk of coming tweaks?
I think they'd be great for making this game feel less anonymous at times, as long as they're strictly optional. Anyone else agree?
NO! NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!
Defeats the entire premise of the UI in this game. Specifically designed so that you AREN'T encountering nameplates and flying text 24/7, so you focus on the game itself.Gimme back my sweetroll or so help me3 -
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✭daneyulebub17_ESO wrote: »Has anyone at Zeni said, yay or nay, about optional overhead nameplates yet in their talk of coming tweaks?
I think they'd be great for making this game feel less anonymous at times, as long as they're strictly optional. Anyone else agree?
NO! NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!
Defeats the entire premise of the UI in this game. Specifically designed so that you AREN'T encountering nameplates and flying text 24/7, so you focus on the game itself.
Chat bubbles ARE COMING , zen is testing it , and they will add them in the future.
It will be an OPTION , just like nameplaters should be."Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
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✭✭✭✭✭DJ_Pandatripp wrote: »They had them in early beta. Looks bad, I rather like the game with no nameplates, makes it look 100% better.
Hence the OPTIONAL part.
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Milanna✭✭✭Sadly the 'immersionists' whined nameplates broke their 'immersion' so ZOS decided not to even offer the OPTION.
Of course those same immersionists are now among those screaming about bots .. with the huge irony that the lack of nameplates makes reporting them a LOT more tedious so many players don't bother.
Lack of nameplates is not the biggest problem when it comes to bots. I´m sure you are aware of that.
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Vandril✭✭✭✭leandro.800ub17_ESO wrote: »
Even if you turn off its the server load of the ones that turn it on that affect all not the PC
No. It will have no impact whatsoever on server performance. It's actually far less stressful on the server to render one nameplate than it is to render the graphics for a piece of gear. In fact, it's no harder than rendering the text on a tooltip, since that's essentially what it is - a persistent tooltip over a character with text and a perfectly transparent background.
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✭Sadly the 'immersionists' whined nameplates broke their 'immersion' so ZOS decided not to even offer the OPTION.
Of course those same immersionists are now among those screaming about bots .. with the huge irony that the lack of nameplates makes reporting them a LOT more tedious so many players don't bother.
Lack of nameplates is not the biggest problem when it comes to bots. I´m sure you are aware of that.
Then...why mention it? Are you saying only the biggest "problem" should be addressed, and nothing else? Should development on the game stop until whatever is deemed the biggest problem is fixed?
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Niliu✭✭✭leandro.800ub17_ESO wrote: »
Even if you turn off its the server load of the ones that turn it on that affect all not the PC
No. It will have no impact whatsoever on server performance. It's actually far less stressful on the server to render one nameplate than it is to render the graphics for a piece of gear. In fact, it's no harder than rendering the text on a tooltip, since that's essentially what it is - a persistent tooltip over a character with text and a perfectly transparent background.
Please don't say things like this unless you know what you're talking about, or gullible people might actually believe this misinformation.
While I don't agree with having nameplates, I agree it won't have any impact on the performance of the game. And if people want to mess with the aesthetic of the game, that's their business, no hair off my arse, won't effect my screen.Gimme back my sweetroll or so help me1 -
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✭daneyulebub17_ESO wrote: »Has anyone at Zeni said, yay or nay, about optional overhead nameplates yet in their talk of coming tweaks?
I think they'd be great for making this game feel less anonymous at times, as long as they're strictly optional. Anyone else agree?
NO! NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!
Defeats the entire premise of the UI in this game. Specifically designed so that you AREN'T encountering nameplates and flying text 24/7, so you focus on the game itself.
This isn't Skyrim. When you say focus on the game itself, you act as if this game is not an MMO, and as if other players aren't part of "the game itself".
They are.
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Milanna✭✭✭daneyulebub17_ESO wrote: »Sadly the 'immersionists' whined nameplates broke their 'immersion' so ZOS decided not to even offer the OPTION.
Of course those same immersionists are now among those screaming about bots .. with the huge irony that the lack of nameplates makes reporting them a LOT more tedious so many players don't bother.
Lack of nameplates is not the biggest problem when it comes to bots. I´m sure you are aware of that.
Then...why mention it? Are you saying only the biggest "problem" should be addressed, and nothing else? Should development on the game stop until whatever is deemed the biggest problem is fixed?
No, that´s not what I am saying.
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✭daneyulebub17_ESO wrote: »Sadly the 'immersionists' whined nameplates broke their 'immersion' so ZOS decided not to even offer the OPTION.
Of course those same immersionists are now among those screaming about bots .. with the huge irony that the lack of nameplates makes reporting them a LOT more tedious so many players don't bother.
Lack of nameplates is not the biggest problem when it comes to bots. I´m sure you are aware of that.
Then...why mention it? Are you saying only the biggest "problem" should be addressed, and nothing else? Should development on the game stop until whatever is deemed the biggest problem is fixed?
No, that´s not what I am saying.
Can I help you with anything else?
Not if the help is as confusing and seemingly pointless as whatever you "were" trying to say.
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Milanna✭✭✭daneyulebub17_ESO wrote: »daneyulebub17_ESO wrote: »Sadly the 'immersionists' whined nameplates broke their 'immersion' so ZOS decided not to even offer the OPTION.
Of course those same immersionists are now among those screaming about bots .. with the huge irony that the lack of nameplates makes reporting them a LOT more tedious so many players don't bother.
Lack of nameplates is not the biggest problem when it comes to bots. I´m sure you are aware of that.
Then...why mention it? Are you saying only the biggest "problem" should be addressed, and nothing else? Should development on the game stop until whatever is deemed the biggest problem is fixed?
No, that´s not what I am saying.
Can I help you with anything else?
Not if the help is as confusing and seemingly pointless as whatever you "were" trying to say.
I wasn´t talking to you to begin with.EU-server
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✭Nope. Disagree. I already see their name if I aim at them. I vote no to overhead names.0 -
Ventroff✭✭✭I think it would be cool if they made guild members kind of like how you see characters in the world if they are in your group. You can see them on the mini-map and they have that "V" looking icon.
That way you could still notice guild members without the long obtrusive name and guild tags like most MMO's.
It could become obnoxious if it showed all 5 guilds like that, but you could probably make a toggle flag to turn guilds on and off at will.0 -
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✭I think it would be cool if they made guild members kind of like how you see characters in the world if they are in your group. You can see them on the mini-map and they have that "V" looking icon.
That way you could still notice guild members without the long obtrusive name and guild tags like most MMO's.
It could become obnoxious if it showed all 5 guilds like that, but you could probably make a toggle flag to turn guilds on and off at will.
That would be a nice option in addition to optional name plates. Be cool if you could designate a color for the symbol for each of your potential 5 guilds, too.
I still would want names as an option, but this is a nice feature idea for a more minimal yet informative tag.
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norrisnick✭✭✭I'd only support name plates if there are two sets of options.
Do you want to see other player names in a name plate above their character?
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Do you want your name to be visible to other players as a name plate above your character?
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✭norrisnick wrote: »I'd only support name plates if there are two sets of options.
Do you want to see other player names in a name plate above their character?
Y/N
Do you want your name to be visible to other players as a name plate above your character?
Y/N
Why the 2nd option. It's not like they can't already focus on you and get your name.
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Draconiuos✭✭✭daneyulebub17_ESO wrote: »norrisnick wrote: »I'd only support name plates if there are two sets of options.
Do you want to see other player names in a name plate above their character?
Y/N
Do you want your name to be visible to other players as a name plate above your character?
Y/N
Why the 2nd option. It's not like they can't already focus on you and get your name.
Because the second options removes the argument about pvp advantages and such. Also, why not? Why shouldn't you be allowed to hide your name from other players, kind of like EQ1 with its Annon/RPG modes.0 -
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✭Makes it a bit hard to report people if people can be truly anonymous.
It would make a lot of griefers, gold farmers, botters and exploiters very happy, though. So there's that I guess.
I wouldn't object to the no-tag-for-me option, but I would object to any kind of true anonymity.
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Blackwolfe5✭✭✭Just let me easily identify guildmembers and friends without neccesarily having to target each and every person I meet! The rest, I don't care much about!1 -
Draconiuos✭✭✭daneyulebub17_ESO wrote: »Makes it a bit hard to report people if people can be truly anonymous.
It would make a lot of griefers, gold farmers, botters and exploiters very happy, though. So there's that I guess.
I wouldn't object to the no-tag-for-me option, but I would object to any kind of true anonymity.
No one is saying to get rid of the current system to identify the player, but just an option out of having your name over your head.
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ijRoberts✭✭✭I'm in the "perfectly fine, if optional" category.
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✭✭✭DJ_Pandatripp wrote: »They had them in early beta. Looks bad, I rather like the game with no nameplates, makes it look 100% better.
That's great that you enjoy it without, but some of us would like to turn them on for ourselves, optionally. Just because you think it looks bad doesn't mean you should push for no option for those who do like them. You can leave them off if you don't want them.leandro.800ub17_ESO wrote: »
Even if you turn off its the server load of the ones that turn it on that affect all not the PC
Doesn't affect anything on the server, the server already passes names to the client regardless. It's a PC thing only.-First-Wave Closed Beta Tester of the Psijic Order, aka the 0.016 percent.
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I heard them all during beta and PTS testing. I continuously pushed for them but was drowned out by the "immersion" crowd. I've yet to hear a logically good argument for not having them as an OPTIONAL setting. Hell, I've heard some people whine it would make you be able to see stealthers in pvp as their so-called reasoning, but it would behave the same as healthbars do now anyway: invisible when stealthed. Others claim "it would make it too easy to spot people in pvp" but you already have chevrons that are far larger/more visible anyway, and overhead health bars. Yet others complain "BUT IT WOULD MAKE THE SCREEN UGLY", but they could just turn them off on their PC in the options.
I'm glad to see some support finally building now that actual players are in the game en masse. It builds social features and community, guild pride/recognition, and adds a lot of gameplay benefits to have available for coordinating organized groups and even basic things like seeing where someone is to trade with. RIght now people work around it by having to group then jump around wildly to get themselves visible with a moving chevron
. It's a major feature I was quite disappointed to see the game launch without. Edited by Attorneyatlawl on May 15, 2014 9:30PM-First-Wave Closed Beta Tester of the Psijic Order, aka the 0.016 percent.
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Getorix✭✭✭Im always amazed at the bad ideas people make who run multi million dollar buisnesses.
This no option to display nameplates while not a huge deal is still probably one of the dumbest ideas ive seen devs implement in an mmo. Unless it was causing the game to crash or massive server lag for everyone I cant imagine a good argument for this bad idea.4 -
curryfiendSoul ShrivenYes to nameplates! Pleeeease!! I feel so lonely while playing this game...I think it would help tremendously in building more of a community."Valar morghulis...valar dohaeris."3 -
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Opinions never make good arguments and the fact is both sides of this are opinions. Therefore neither side has a really good argument, but Compromise can be mad so both sides are content. Like was stated earlier just give the option to show name plates, and the option for your name plate to not show up.Im always amazed at the bad ideas people make who run multi million dollar buisnesses.
This no option to display nameplates while not a huge deal is still probably one of the dumbest ideas ive seen devs implement in an mmo. Unless it was causing the game to crash or massive server lag for everyone I cant imagine a good argument for this bad idea.
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✭The whole immersion argument falls apart before it even starts.
One, there are health bars above your character, that breaks immersion, sure you can disable them but you would have been able to disable the name plate as well.
Two, there already is a name plate at the top of the screen, the API functions allow it to show more info than it normally does but still, that breaks immersion.
With those two being said there's really no argument about immersion when it's already broken. So they need to bring back the name plates and open the API functions for them for other players to tinker with through addons.☠ Is it better to out-monster the monster or to be quietly devoured? ☠
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Getorix✭✭✭Draconiuos wrote: »
Opinions never make good arguments and the fact is both sides of this are opinions. Therefore neither side has a really good argument, but Compromise can be mad so both sides are content. Like was stated earlier just give the option to show name plates, and the option for your name plate to not show up.Im always amazed at the bad ideas people make who run multi million dollar buisnesses.
This no option to display nameplates while not a huge deal is still probably one of the dumbest ideas ive seen devs implement in an mmo. Unless it was causing the game to crash or massive server lag for everyone I cant imagine a good argument for this bad idea.
Yeah actually the side that wants to be able to turn on nameplates have quite a few good arguments, the side that doesn't want people to have that option has zero.
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