Fully agree, this is just lame design, especially when ESO is boasting so much about qol changes. Release a feature with huge qol flaws, and talk about taking time to fix qol things... That is really disapointing.

Stafford197 wrote: »

I agree but reason they don’t allow it is because we would use the Armory to bypass Luminous Ink costs (even though they’re dirt cheap now so who cares). Not sure this will change but we can hope!

Luminous Ink might be a reason, but it almost certainly wouldn’t be the only reason, if it is one, as there’s actual coding work to be considered. Scribed skills aren’t recorded in exactly the same way as non-Scribed skills. Certain iterations of the same Scribing skill seem to share the same skillID, unlike other skills. That’s a system of storing and recalling Scribed skills that the Armory wasn’t designed for. (It was designed for a skill system in which each skillID has a unique 1-to-1 relationship with a skill morph.) The work required to update the Armory to remember all the particulars of a Scribed skill may be substantial. I hope the devs find it worthwhile and decide to implement it, but it’s an impediment beyond the price of Ink to consider.

I thought this was a tech/coding issue and not a lack of desire to include it on ZOS part.

It'll likely happen in the future.

Honestly don’t buy ink as the driver for this and more another example of an oversight or half baked implementation of something and just fix it later or totally ignoring it and move on.

Heren wrote: »

Erickson9610 wrote: »

It'll likely happen in the future.

The level of cautious wording in this answer, work of art !

What's wrong with cautious wording? You'd get in more trouble if you explicitly promised a feature that you didn't deliver on.

Nothing is ever set in stone. At least we know that a few months ago ZOS has thought about it and considered it — all we can do now is wait and see what the future holds.

Stafford197 wrote: »

I agree but reason they don’t allow it is because we would use the Armory to bypass Luminous Ink costs (even though they’re dirt cheap now so who cares). Not sure this will change but we can hope!

Might be wrong, but I thought for ink you had to pay for every skill, suffix, and affix only once. So changing back to a skill you've used prior is free.

Fully agree, it is impossible to remember what scribed skills and scripts tied to them I've been using on all my different characters and different builds. Ink isn't the problem for me, but having so many builds it is impossible to keep track of them all. This is what the armory was intended for, yet the armory is no longer functioning in that way.

Another thing which is needed: Allow us to make multiple versions of the same scribed skill, without changing any previous ones. Just have multiple show up in the skillscreen if we make another with the same grimoire. (maybe limit it to 5 per grimoire skill, and allow us to delete them at will.)

dale_forrestb16_ESO wrote: »

The armory existed long before skill scribing and the armory most definitely should have been part of the skill scribing design. It's an obvious oversight. I'm not sure why the developers didn't think of it (actually I am sure but I won't say it here).

Furthermore, it should have been dealt with during the initial quality assurance testing.

It was the first thing I checked when I started skill scribing.

They addressed this very shortly after scribing released. They said it would be additional work to incorporate scribing into the armory in terms of keeping all the combinations of scripts. In-game testing supports that claim. These skills are not stored the same way as non-scribed skills, which you can see even in CMX. They do not have the same 1-to-1 relationship between skill and skillID/abilityID that is all the information the armory needs for non-scribed skills. We can certainly wish and feel that additional work should have been (and should still be) done, but I don’t think any of that supports an unprintable assumption that they didn’t think of it in the first place.

DenverRalphy wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

dale_forrestb16_ESO wrote: »

The armory existed long before skill scribing and the armory most definitely should have been part of the skill scribing design. It's an obvious oversight. I'm not sure why the developers didn't think of it (actually I am sure but I won't say it here).

Furthermore, it should have been dealt with during the initial quality assurance testing.

It was the first thing I checked when I started skill scribing.

They addressed this very shortly after scribing released. They said it would be additional work to incorporate scribing into the armory in terms of keeping all the combinations of scripts. In-game testing supports that claim. These skills are not stored the same way as non-scribed skills, which you can see even in CMX. They do not have the same 1-to-1 relationship between skill and skillID/abilityID that is all the information the armory needs for non-scribed skills. We can certainly wish and feel that additional work should have been (and should still be) done, but I don’t think any of that supports an unprintable assumption that they didn’t think of it in the first place.

I don't recall them saying this. So I'd be curious to see their response.

Because I see no need for them to have to incorporate all combinations. All the armory needs do is save and apply the 3 scripts applied to the grimoire.

The storing of the 3 scripts in the armory is precisely what requires more work on their part. Non-scribed skills require only a single number (skillID/abilityID). Each base form/morph has a unique one of those, and each ID leads back to its specific skill morph in a 1-to-1 relationship. So the armory only needs to store that one ID for each skill morph. Scribed skills require storing more info than that. There isn’t even a 1-to-1 relationship between each Focus script and a skillID/abilityID. Some Focus scripts share the same ID, so relying only on that ID (as the armory can safely do with non-scribed skills) can result in getting even the first script wrong — that’s how CMX can show a “Chilling Explosion” doing flame damage. The armory would have to be updated to account for however these scripts are stored. Only ZOS knows how much work that would involve for them given their current code and internal processes, but even from our end we can see it isn’t as straightforward as storing non-scribed skills.

ETA: It was addressed by at least two different devs even during the PTS for Gold Road in the Reddit AMA. They were “investigating” whether it would be feasible. (Rich Lambert said “maybe.”) I thought I recalled seeing it asked elsewhere as well and will update if I can remember specifics on that.

TonyH196 wrote: »

The part that bothers me most about the armory is that you should be able to store the different sets in the armory and not have to keep it in your own inventory. ISN'T THAT THE EXPLANATION OF AN ARMORY??

This is probably the next QOL thing I want the most.

I would love to see this feature!

TonyH196 wrote: »

The part that bothers me most about the armory is that you should be able to store the different sets in the armory and not have to keep it in your own inventory. ISN'T THAT THE EXPLANATION OF AN ARMORY??

They could probably make it so you can upgrade your collections to gold for the cost of mats, and probably some transmutes (to act as a transmute sink) that permanently upgrades the collection to gold in your collection tab with a reconstruction cost of 0. When swapping builds it wont have to rely on inventory anymore, but instead whether you have it golded in your collections.

They could even introduce requirements for it, like have the motifs for the entire set type, or have it expensive, but you unlock the entire set as gold in your collections. They could probably move the mythics to this system too. The end goal being to be able to equip straight from the collections tab bypassing inventory entirely.

SkaraMinoc wrote: »

Please allow players to save Scribing skills to the Armory so we can switch configurations for quality of life.

Contingency is the best example I can think of where there are multiple configurations for different content.

1. I want to do some PvP so I use Warding Contingency w/ mitigation script
2. Now I want to do some bombing in Cyrodiil so I use Fiery Contingency
3. Time to heal dungeons so I use Warding or Healing Contingency
4. Finally I want to do some PvP again so I use Binding Contingency

That's 4 Armory slots I'd use for each type of Contingency. Currently I have to reconfigure the skill 2-3 times per day.

5. I am gonna change activity for every 10 seconds so i need armory.