Veteran Rank 13 confirmed - OMG why? :(

Shanna · May 2014

netsike wrote: »

I can't take this game as an ES game, so I play it as an MMO...

I'm taking the opposite perspective. After I hit the V levels, I found my obsession with playing every free moment (my typical mmo mentality) diminish, and I started just playing leisurely (like I do with the previous TES titles.) If that was Zen's intention, it can actually be considered a smart way to keep folks paying a sub for a looong time. I'm not all that excited to log on and grind quests, but I don't want to lose all my progress, either.

Amfijakerwb17_ESO · May 2014

SaibotLiu wrote: »

The problem is not with game design. The problem is with people who absolutely need to be max level to get every advantage possible to lord over everyone else. Here's a thought. Maybe attempt PVP and some group content without your precious max level and full set of gold gear, whilst playing the most OP flavor of the month class no doubt. You know, actually play the game?

You're really gonna cry when they bring actual balance to this game..and maybe a class you're not playing gains a distinct advantage over you. Then you'll look at all those vet levels...oh what misery, you have to reroll. Your tears will be delicious.

Actually that's when you'll just quit, when you can't win. Then you'll sulk off to some forum somewhere and bash this game for "making it easy so all the noobs could win" or some such nonsense.

Wait and see, this will all happen before the first expansion.

Wauw that was a lot of random hate.

Blackwidow · May 2014

@SaibotLiu try to be more condescending next time. I don't think you quite nailed it.

The problem is not with game design.

Well, that is what his post was about, so unless you can read his mind, I'm going to believe the OP over your "Your tears will be delicious." idiocy.

netsike · May 2014

Shanna wrote: »

netsike wrote: »

I can't take this game as an ES game, so I play it as an MMO...

I'm taking the opposite perspective. After I hit the V levels, I found my obsession with playing every free moment (my typical mmo mentality) diminish, and I started just playing leisurely (like I do with the previous TES titles.) If that was Zen's intention, it can actually be considered a smart way to keep folks paying a sub for a looong time. I'm not all that excited to log on and grind quests, but I don't want to lose all my progress, either.

Tbh, I see the opposite...all my friends stopped playing, some of them didn't even start because of this. I want to check Craglorn of course and try the trials, but if I don't like them, I will also subscribe. Question is what to do then with the guild I'm leading.

crowfl56 · May 2014

Well Blackywidow, you do have an opinion, my guess is you haven't played many MMO's. Never said the racer's to max lvl play the game wrong.
Your list of negative aspects of the game, are again your opinion and not very relavent , just the things you don't like.
The game isn't flawless, which I think is dang near impossible, what I am saying compared to other game's, ESO is awesome, but is also a work in process.

SaibotLiu · May 2014

Blackwidow wrote: »

@SaibotLiu try to be more condescending next time. I don't think you quite nailed it.

The problem is not with game design.

Well, that is what his post was about, so unless you can read his mind, I'm going to believe the OP over your "Your tears will be delicious." idiousy.

Yeah far be it for anyone to disagree with the premise of the original post. Once you make the original post, thats it. No further discussion required.

So what are you doing here then?

Blackwidow · May 2014

SaibotLiu wrote: »

Yeah far be it for anyone to disagree with the premise of the original post. Once you make the original post, thats it. No further discussion required.

It is okay to disagree.

What you did.... let's just you had a lot of hate and very little substance to your point.

So what are you doing here then?

Probably not getting through to you, atm.

Nidwin · May 2014

dps42514 wrote: »

How are people getting to these levels so quickly? it's taken me 3 weeks to get to level 27 and I play 15 hours a day.

Because they are PROs brah.
You and me are noobs, terribads, zerglings and we're told to go back playing WoW.

That's why they're VR10 and you level27 and me level43.

Pro izzzzzz Pro!

Shanna · May 2014

netsike wrote: »

Tbh, I see the opposite...all my friends stopped playing, some of them didn't even start because of this...

this is true, too. I bought both of my sons the game (aged 14 and 21), and neither one of them will play due to "crappy pvp" and no end content. They haven't even activated their 30 free days.

Srugzal · May 2014

Cogo wrote: »

Also, those who reached highest level like in a week, most are not playing anymore. Also, those who are reaching it are "bored". They dont know it or admit it, but they missed more then half the game because of "grinding".

I have a friend in veteran ranks who remarked that he'd run into a lot of VR players during Craiglorn testing on the PTS who aren't even familiar with the story.

It appears the grinding to VR thinking that was a shortcut to the "real" game are actually missing out on, well, the real game.

SaibotLiu · May 2014

Blackwidow wrote: »

SaibotLiu wrote: »

Yeah far be it for anyone to disagree with the premise of the original post. Once you make the original post, thats it. No further discussion required.

It is okay to disagree.

What you did.... let's just you had a lot of hate and very little substance to your point.

So what are you doing here then?

Probably not getting through to you, atm.

Yeah so? You just blast everyone who likes the game and call everyone fanbois while proclaiming you're trying to save the game. This must be your idea of "substance".

The point that you've done a fantastic job of missing, is that they dont have to design a game around your playstyle. They havent designed it around mine and I enjoy the game just fine. Everyone else here who has good things to say about the game can say that the game is not designed around them as well. You're here pounding your desk saying you're going to save us all from a bad game by making it into something you want.

If I have to point out the idiocy in this, well, my faith in humanity just went down some.

And you're a vet rank 10 vampire DK. You have to be, theres no other possibility.

TheGrandAlliance · May 2014

BTW that was just a demo video: Likely from in-house testing of products. They probably didn't even notice the VR13. I wouldn't worry about it... VR13 isn't comming anytime soon.

orablast · May 2014

Personally, I'm very happy with how the game is going, I loved 1-49, and I'm loving VR content, as well. I play a NB just so you know, and yes, I do get class envy with sorcerers & DKs every now and then.

With that being said, I can see how some might not like more VR levels being added so quickly. I've been hording my legendary mats for max level, but if they keep raising max level before I can reach it, then I may never have a chance to use my legendary mats

Blackwidow · May 2014

crowfl56 wrote: »

Well Blackywidow, you do have an opinion, my guess is you haven't played many MMO's.

I've played MMO's for almost 20 years.

Next guess?

Never said the racer's to max lvl play the game wrong.

So, when you said you felt sorry for them, that was sympathy and not judgment?

Okay....

Your list of negative aspects of the game, are again your opinion and not very relavent , just the things you don't like.

You said "this game has addressed most all of the things that just made all other game's a bust."

I was listing things can make a game go bust that are in ESO.

What things were you talking about that ZOS has addressed " that just made all other game's a bust"?

The game isn't flawless, which I think is dang near impossible, what I am saying compared to other game's, ESO is awesome, but is also a work in process.

Nobody thinks an MMO can be flawless.

Again, i'm glad you think ESO is great. I'm not trying to say your opinion is wrong.

I'm just disagreeing with you.

Daendur · May 2014

i totally agree with OP.
we aren't talking about improving the game and make it grow, we are talking about letting what we worked for become completely trash.

Why, after i worked so hard to make my armor set or my fabulous sowrd, i must restart from 0 and re-obtain it ?
To me, it will be ok if we'll be able to improve our stuff.
Improve a legendary vr10 sword into a legendary vr12 sword by adding new ingredients or anything else will be something good, 'cause we'll have progression without trashing what we've worked for.

TheGrandAlliance · May 2014

WEll.. it gives you something to do with the new lvls... find new crafting things.

Moonraker · May 2014

Looks like another OP that doesn't read the available information before posting another angry reaction to content not even released. From the Patch Notes 1.1 currently on PTS;

Veteran Rank Updates
You can earn up to Veteran Rank 12 as you continue your adventures in Craglorn. Additionally, the veteran XP earned from killing enemies has more than doubled.

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Note also that they are increasing XP from NPC kills by more than double which will speed up VR levelling overall.

The game launched without the end game content which most would consider the 'raid' type content. This is being introduced in Update 1.1 for groups of 12, with zone wide adventuring for groups of four (smaller groups most probably fine as it is currently on PTS depending on skill and gearing).

So they offer with this the opportunity to increase VR by two levels. Where is the issue here?

End game content and progression is nearly always about incremental improvements; the chance to get the very best items possible via crafting in ZOS as well as Trails, PvP etc. There is nothing new in the latest top item becoming not so after a while, replaced by the next level item. That's common to all similar MMOs.

This game is really about play as you want. No one stands by you and demands you rush to max level or min/ max your gear. That is a choice. In the same way as pushing on through VR content is a choice. If you want to stop at level 50 and roll another chracter for each of the other Alliances and enjoy that content in that way. Or play purely in Cyrodiil where they are increasing XP gains;

The XP awarded for killing enemy player characters has been doubled.
XP rewards for completing the quest to kill 20 enemy player characters have also been increased.

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Or bimble around and enjoy the journey, read the books, pick the flowers, chat with others

There really is no one way to play this game except the predetermined mindset of some. In the same way that others rail against a minimalist UI (where addons offer the choice)

What's forgotten is that Update 1.1 while offering this new content which is a good addition IMO and from trying it (not all but from what I have seen) it also addresses a load of existing issues and the first major pass as ability balances. Other non end game content will get added in the subsequent Updates I'm sure.

The whole purpose of 4-6 week updates is that there is a steady stream of fresh content for all levels of play. Introducing new content, activities, items, challenges across the board. it's a different approach from previous MMO and will take some adjustment maybe but I would always prefer smaller additions more often and big lumps of content every 12-18 months.

Shillen · May 2014

Crafting mats are so easy to come by you can easily make a new set of armor every month.

TheGrandAlliance · May 2014

Shillen wrote: »

Crafting mats are so easy to come by you can easily make a new set of armor every month.

More like every day...

Audigy · May 2014

This whole "Endgame" term doesn't fit to MMO´s that well to be honest. Endgame defines "the end", but an MMO doesn't has this. Its an everlasting journey, at least was before the "one game that changed them all", tried to tell its playerbase different.

If ZO would do what almost each MMO does since about 6 years, then what would be the result? We would have the same experience like in every other MMO and that this doesn't work has been proven multiple times by the likes of SWTOR, GW2, Tera, Rift etc. There is one game that has "the end" perfected, its coming from Blizzard and it gives its players a fresh raid every few months with 12 mobs that are at the same spot every second, day, month and year.

If you want to reach the end, then this is your game and every other MMO that copies that system will be so as well.

ESO however doesn't has an end, its a story that evolves with every content patch. VR´s show the progress that you have in the game, the progress of your char which is based on exploration, questing, pvp, crafting and also dungeons.

I honestly hope that ZO will stick to it, because this is what MMO´s once were. A journey which you took and even after 5 years that journey kept going on. "Endgame" never existed in MMO´s pre WoW and I think its great that a game is actually going back to the origins of MMO gaming.

If you stick to the game you will find out that this can be much more fun than killing the same Endboss every week for 5 months like at WoW and never seeing any Char progression at all, so that the Char that is 90 for 1 second is always equal to the one that is since 2 years.

netsike · May 2014

Moonraker wrote: »

Looks like another OP that doesn't read the available information before posting another angry reaction to content not even released.

Looks like another commenter that doesn't read the opening comment. I did not write it's in the 1.1 patch.

nalimoleb14_ESO · May 2014

Perfect, I won't even have time to enjoy VR10 legendary gear before the cap is increased and the hunt begins for VR12-13 gear...

Shillen · May 2014

TheGrandAlliance wrote: »

Shillen wrote: »

Crafting mats are so easy to come by you can easily make a new set of armor every month.

More like every day...

Well I'm talking the legendary variety. You'd need 56 dreugh wax or tempering alloy to do that.

AngryNord · May 2014

Damn nice armour tho...

Blackwidow · May 2014

SaibotLiu wrote: »

Yeah so? You just blast everyone who likes the game and call everyone fanbois while proclaiming you're trying to save the game. This must be your idea of "substance".

I've used the term fanboi one time. And it was to address the term haters.

Do you feel I have blasted you because you like the game? Really?

Or maybe it was because you were being a bit vile? Maybe?

Frankly, I don't think I "blasted" you, but if you feel that way, my apologies.

The point that you've done a fantastic job of missing, is that they dont have to design a game around your playstyle.

The OP is not mine. I don't even know if i agree with him. This was not about that.

You just came across as really rude, so I called you out. Maybe I should have just sent you a PM, but your post was quite vicious.

My bad.

They havent designed it around mine and I enjoy the game just fine.

I'm glad you enjoy the game.

Everyone else here who has good things to say about the game can say that the game is not designed around them as well. You're here pounding your desk saying you're going to save us all from a bad game by making it into something you want.

No, just trying to make the game game better, from my point of view.

I think we all want that freedom, don't we?

And you're a vet rank 10 vampire DK. You have to be, theres no other possibility.

I'm not.

Again, this was not about the OP as much as it was just asking you to be a little nicer to the OPer.

Have a nice day.

AngryNord · May 2014

Reevster wrote: »

Its a MMO not a single player game

Strange... Then why are there so many quests where you are forced to solo insanely overpowered bosses, I wonder?

SaibotLiu · May 2014

Blackwidow wrote: »

SaibotLiu wrote: »

Yeah so? You just blast everyone who likes the game and call everyone fanbois while proclaiming you're trying to save the game. This must be your idea of "substance".

I've used the term fanboi one time. And it was to address the term haters.

Do you feel I have blasted you because you like the game? Really?

Or maybe it was because you were being a bit vile? Maybe?

Frankly, I don't think I "blasted" you, but if you feel that way, my apologies.

I dont feel you've blasted me at all. In fact, I feel you prattle on and on about a lot of nothing.

Which is more than a little ironic since you "called me out" about my lack of substance. Oh well, irony is in vast supply on the forums.

Korereactor · May 2014

I like it.

LeCreaux · May 2014

zeuseason wrote: »

We don't need more end game levels, we need more end game content. We all know in other games like WoW the game doesn't even start until you hit max level.

I'm not a fan of grinding new levels as the "endgame". Right now I'm enjoying the questing, but once that is all done I'll leave the game if the endgame is just level grinding.

vstadenerwb17_ESO · May 2014

Within 2 days of making this "VR20" thing a reality the bot supporters (a-holes who pay for powerleveling) will OWN PvP and chase away all (most) of the honest players