I still remember how years ago, you guys added the passive damage to grim focus so it wouldn't be overly complicated to handle the stacks.

The intention was, as you put it back then, that perfecting the usage of the proc would be overall more dps but you'd still get something out of the skill if you didn't handle it perfectly.

Yes, the entire skill-line is overperforming if every every dps subclasses into it.
But as with anything in this game it's due to a lack of viable options (like Bound armaments just being basically the same skill but worse).

#Nerf Arcanist

Honestly, this ulti change is horrible, I don't see how this is beneficial to anyone. It makes the affected passives totally useless. What is even the point of subclassing when everything becomes a bunch of standartized boring slop?
Taking power away from people is a really, really bad idea. If you want more diversity, just buff the underperforming skill lines instead!

Renato90085 wrote: »

how about this ult passive change?
class ult passive: still minor or major heroism,but when you use your class line ,you can save you old passive?
stupid thing that makes them stackable
i first day see subclass leak discord in march ,i know stupid thing that makes them stackable is a problem fast

Yeah, that could actually be a good compromise and it would make the choice of the base class more impactful.
Subclassing was always going to be a mess, and many people predicted just that... Tons of blanket nerfs and pure classes being dead. But people still defended it thinking it will be like in Skyrim lol.

What a mess.

Most of these changes aren't needed or miss the mark completely. You could have changed nothing in the past 5 years regarding class abilities and combat in general, and we'd all be better off.

I think it's high time you stop ignoring feedback or at least create a system that filters out the bad.

Why do i even bother...

The patch is awful. The players who got their fun last patch are now losing it because you are actually "not" fine with the power creep. The funny thing? Some of the changes would be pretty solid if not for subclassing.
The players who didnt like last patch werent adressed and on top of that they get punished in this patch too. You never look at other players when making decisions. You have some kind of Tunnel Vision that you ignore any consequences of your decisions that affect others.
Ult gain too high in trials? You screw over everyone. Tho i dont rly see a problem with high ult gain when players actually build for that... and that hurts DK again whose Battle Roar got nerfed last patch because of that high ult gen. Make it make sense.
Grim focus providing too much power for a single skill spot? Well it was, compared to other skill lines. And probably still is. But thats why NB suffered in some other areas to pay for that. Now they lost it witout gaining anything. Again punishing everyone.
You want to balance skill lines around skill lines but they werent balanced in first place. Last patch you barerly did anything and the same in this one. Why are you torturing everyone with those slow changes? Do you want to finish balancing in 2030? Tho you still didnt finish problems with hybridisation after 3 years so...

Just to be clear i never really hated the ideas you come with. I believe all of them could make game better for more players. As long as done right. But you fail every single time. Every single time you focus on 1 part of the community while ignoring everyone else and slowly pushing them away. And subclassing isnt diffrent. Just like always you only focused on players who "want" subclassing above everyting else, ignoring players who loved their classes and actively punishing them for staying pure. On top of that picking the most lazy way of reusing class skill lines without adding anything new.
I play DK because i love this class. I want DK to be good. Not to give DK a laser to make it good. But i always wanted an alchemy skill line to make an alchemist. I dont believe an entire class is possible but a single skill line should and that would be amazing with subclassing. But yeah, i should be happy with being able to use lightning on my Flame/Posion class... Sigh...


Why till this day we dont have a proper second combat system around HA builds? Why are they still forced into 1 bar build or 1.5 bars? Why the problem with weapon swapping isnt resolved for those builds? You keep adding new mythic and sets but refuse to fix fundamental problems. Nobody would be punished if players who prefer slower combat had a better way to play the game.
Why "mastery" of the game was removed? You said it yourselves, LA weaving was a "mastery" of combat and yet the strongest mythic removes it from the game. it was supposed to be a mythic for players who dont like LA weaving so why is it the strongest combat mythic? Why accessibility comes at the cost of players who like that mechanic?
Every single time you focus on one of those groups, everyone else suffers, because it always comes at the cost of others.

And i dont feel like pointing out more so i will focus on some balancing issues.

All those nerfs will kill Pure Classes becuase every single nerf forces subclassing more and more. This patch should be scrapped and you should focus on reducing power of subclassed skill lines or increasing the power for staying pure.
If you wont do that then you will just push away players who like thier classes (like me) for no reason. Dont ignore everyone else just because you want to deal with Subclassing problems.

There is still no competition with Arcanist Beam, or rather with beam. Because after this patch every class will be run... with beam. Because that's the only way to get good aoe damage.
So again, the nerfs dont resolve the problem, they only punish everyone else.
We need more aoe potential in other builds. If subclassing wouldnt be so OP then a pure DK or Necro could compete with good sets, but because their aoe potential comes at the cost of subclassing... it wont happend until either Subclassed skill lines are weakend or Pure Classes made stronger... And i would advise second choice because its too late for nerfs. Taking away power after giving it will only push players away.

Sustain needs to be looked at as currently some classes (DK mainly) suffer in solo play (anything where u dont have a healer) because the sustain was too good in trials or PvP. Just another example of how eveyrone was punished for problems of few. And i dont mean that those few arent important.

Now for the last i guess, the only good thing in patch notes. Sets Rebalance.
Not enough. Its great you are finally doing it but we desperatly need more variety in Monster Sets, Dungeon Sets etc. as there are barerly any good options or they are blocked by mechanic.
Kinras's Wrath for example. Major and Minor Berserk is solid for solo play or with groups without those buffs but the time it takes to get it up and how it can fall off during mechs makes it akward to use. Simple fix for it is to increase the timer to 10s after getting 5 stacks which would make it a lot easier to keep up after getting it started. It wouldnt be perfect but a lot better to use anyway.

And that's it for now. Let see how next weeks unfold. I don't have much faith tho. I really feel like it is the last year where i can still somewhat enjoy eso.

I strongly disagree with the changes to ult gen. Both the reasons for making the changes, the explanation of the "issue", and the proposed fix.

I wrote a bit more about it in another thread before this one was posted and others replied with some good info that I don't want to be lost, so I'll link it here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/8340602

I'd also like to echo what another player said earlier in this thread regarding this, Minor Heroism is easy to source at 100% uptime now through scribing and potions. Having class passives provide Minor Heroism is redundant, useless, and a huge nerf that I don't think has been fully considered. This also has interactions with the Decisive trait which is further getting an indirect massive nerf due to these changes.

It is true that it was possible to build for massive ult gen, but I don't believe this was a problem. It required a combination of sets, class lines, potions, scribing abilities, and weapon traits all at the cost of not being specialized into other things like damage or healing.

Please immediately change these passives to the much rarer Major Heroism and see how it plays out if you absolutely must go through with this change. I don't think it's even worth testing with the current Minor Heroism versions, it's just redundant from the start and pointless--they may as well not be there at all.

Since you‘re nerfing ultigen yet again surely you‘re going to revert the unjust nerfs that you made to Pillagers Profit and Pearls of Elnofey….right…right?

We gave the combat devs robust feedback in both the general forums and in the PTS forums before U46 went live and it was summarily ignored. Now after the few raid teams I was on that survived U35 shut down and exited ESO after U46 now you‘re trying to solicit feedback? You can start by looking at all of the feedback in the PTS from right before U46 to get a good baseline of where our feedback is. The previously identified issues don‘t magically disappear after a bad patch is released.

Trying to find roles to fill a roster after U46 has been a nightmare and it was all self inflicted (or more accurately cruelly inflicted on the player base by the combat team despite a myriad of warnings) and now U47 looks worse than U46.

Pure classes are largely irrelevant and will be moreso based on U47‘s patch notes. We told you that pure classes needed a buff to stay competitive and were ignored. Add in a form of battle spirit that affects only subclassed toon so you can nerf and buff subclassed skills without negatively affecting pure classes. Or if it‘s easier add in an effectiveness bonus for pure classes based on the number of parent class skill lines present to be on par with subclassed toons because you can‘t balance both using the same system and have pure classes not be in the hole.

I'll also come in to say that the ult gen passive changes are really hurting, and especially anyone who still plays DK.

Our sustain is in the garbage can since the last patch - Combustion and Battle Roar's nerf (over 50%!) really hurt sustain, and then Pillager and Pearls made it so we can't really get much ult from groupmates either to take use of Battle Roar. And now the DK passive is getting another hit to make a unique ult-gen into a common Minor buff.

I thought the original idea of DK was that they were designed around low sustain supported by frequent ultimates. If we can't toss out ults frequently, that essentially forces DKs into heavy-attack-only builds because we can't sustain anything else.

Also, please consider making pureclassing viable for U48. Right now, if you choose to pureclass, you are knowingly not playing at your best and that is rude to your groupmates. Because of that, we are ...encouraged... to run a Subclassed build, or leave the group to make room for someone who does want to play with others. And the nerfs to individual lines because of a Subclass interaction severely hurts the players who run that line and not others.

There really should be a bonus to running multiple lines of the same Class or a penalty to running multiple Classes. I think the easiest way would be to rework the skill line passives to have 3 levels each, but players can only buy the number of passives that they have lines of the parent class - so a pure DK can buy the 3rd level of all passives, but a winter/soldier/earthen character can only get the 1st level of the passives in those lines since they are each from a different Class. That would nicely tone down the "I took this line for the passives" we've seen, and also give more power to those who choose to stay pure.

Why the change to Hurricane? How do Stamsorcs get Major Resolve now? Bound Armaments, the Stamina morph of Aegis does not grant Resolve to us. Also it forces Sorcs basically to use all their 3 lines to be effective in PvP, they can't properly Subclass anymore or lose an important buff and forces them on Magicka as the Stamina side lost its buffs.

Hurricane was fine for 11 years and took many nerfs, by the change to Implosion, by the loss of damage on the skill itself (Honestly rather make the damage flat 0 than taking away Resolve), by the loss of the abillity to uncloak targets and now you take away resolve? Honestly if PvE and PvP players alike tell you thats a bad idea, you really made a bad change.

For the Ulti gen change people are also glossing over the fact of the playstyle differences. Numerically 30 ult every 45s vs 2ult/s for 15s every 45s is the same...... however playstyle wise they are completely different and unique. Maybe they are close to ult and really need it, so they can pop their potion timed well to get instant ult and buff up at the same time.

A similar playstyle loss happened with darkdeal when Warden was launched. Zos gutted and removed an entire different way of playing the game to make darkdeal more over time instead of instant. Before stamsorc's could play smarter and more peaky in and out combat. You could dive in losing resources and then come up for a breath of air. Afterwards you were forced into the cookie cutter everyone has X regen per minute.

The different playstyle sources of sustain originally in the game have been gutted completely and lost all to satisfy a bland guaranteed sustain over time. PvP wise it was a huge loss in uniqueness, but PvE wise it was being mandated because people love power creep.

Zyaneth_Bal wrote: »

Indeed, bringing everything to a standard is an easy way to balance but "standardization" has long gotten out of hand and has been taken to the extreme effectively not making skills or skill lines perform equally but making them the same one thing. Many skills suffered this fate through the years and lost much of their unique flavour. Now ultimate generation passives suffer the same fate this time in the name of subclassing(multiclassing). It might not seem like much but it makes the game feel ever so bland. Diversity and flavour have been peeled bit by bit by standardization, hybridization and now subclassing.

Dilution has alot to do with it now. No build stands out if everyone has capped stats and every major/minor buff on. At that point we are at no different a spot than vengeance, except with more calculations

I do not understand why the push to nerf arcanist. It is the most popular as it has easy rotation without the need to ligh attack weave.
There are several class combinations without the arcanist beams that deal more DPS but they are all the same boring ones that require you to ligh attack weave (or as I say it "macro light attack when casting each skill") Please do not force us to get back to that.

The banner barrier Crux change is pointless as we already use as spell that grant crux when we have none

Joy_Division wrote: »

Yeah. More dead and useless passives. The whole point of having a class (you know that thing we picked to define our characters) passive is to give a unique and unobtainable bonus for being that class. Not to get a generic buff I can get from a potion.

Also stop trying to "fix" abilities like Hurricane that have worked fine and have been used/enjoyed by many players for over a decade just so it fits in neat box "this skill should only do damage."

Gotta say, normally I agree to most things you put up, that said… removing Resolve from Lightning Form is 100% the right direction.

Where I see the problem is that they are taking baby steps. Lightning Form looks horrible now because skills like Arctic Blast still exist…



… and if they’re gonna tackle identity, with the three Elemental skill lines having specific roles, like Lightning and Speed, Flame and Healing, why do we have Frost skills that Heal? This is applicable to other skill lines too, like why is Sun Shield on Aedric Spear instead of Backlash, when a literal spear comes down from the sky to deal it’s burst damage, or why skills derived from a giant ball of fire in the sky do Magic Damage… too many disparities in sense.

If developing Identity is the name of the game, they shouldn’t drip feed it, they should tackle the problem in a large swath and fix outliers they miss later on. The current approach feels timid, and bad for people that are on the receiving end.