Should there be a setting to disable all cosmetic items from rendering on your client?

  • colossalvoids
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    I wish, but that's never happening. Any cosmetic or shiny thing is a crown store advertisement basically, that's definitely not going anywhere no matter how bad the performance is. It's a game, sure, but that a secondary thing to the store now.
  • Zodiarkslayer
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    It sounds interesting, if it can be implemented without limiting one's own experience.

    I guess it would be tricky to walk that thin line between the rights and interests of all players in ESO. Some want to express themselves and give their characters a shiny and glamorous look. Others want immersion and no pride parade feeling, when they walk through major cities and quest hubs.

    I mean, the first time I ran into that Ork with the beard, lipstick and glitter dress, I felt a little off. Now I am just like: " Oh look, he's got a new dress!"
    Edited by Zodiarkslayer on June 17, 2025 3:59PM
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  • tomfant
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    I'd welcome such an option for two reasons.

    (1) When I'm travelling I play on an old laptop that is barely able to handle the game. Its good enough for activities like crafting dailies and doing survey. But in crowded places my FPS sits below 20 and it takes a while until all fluff is loaded. Some characters around me are just black silhouettes for a while. An option to switch the fluff of would likely increase my FPS in such places quite a bit.

    (2) I anyway dont care about fashion. I dont care how other players run around in this game. And some custom animations and mounts are annoyingly flashy and intrusive and just feel out of place.
  • Fiennes
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    I'd proffer that you would not get the performance gains you'd expect, and it might actually be worse. As it stands now, if a bunch of people in town have the same outfit, then that's a performance gain right there (even if the colours are different, the actual "mesh" is the same). With those kind of things turned off, it's all the individual pieces they're wearing which might be heavier work for your GPU.
    Edited by Fiennes on June 17, 2025 8:28AM
  • Soarora
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    Yes
    I really do not care about other peoples cosmetics for the most part. I have some “flashy” cosmetics but they match my characters in a lore-friendly way. But I also know people will never stop asking until this is a feature… so…
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  • Muizer
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    I voted "yes", but I'm open to suggestions that would achieve something similar in a different way.

    For instance, a "true sight" enchanted necklace. That also immediately gets rid of any discussion about whether it is or is not lore friendly. It just adds an element to the world rather than trying to strip things from it. And that, by all accounts, is perfectly ok!
    Please stop making requests for game features. ZOS have enough bad ideas as it is!
  • CalamityCat
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    I would rather have the option to show a simplified rendering than hiding all cosmetics.

    Some mounts, for example, look lovely and don't do the flashy effects; so I'd like to see others using them. But when I'm in combat especially I don't want to be blinded or lagged out because of all the skill effects. I'd like a more basic rendering so I can easily see what is happening without the eye strain and flashiness of the current effects.

    It would also be nice if we could tone down our own cosmetics and skill effects too. I find those things tiring to watch and just utterly unnecessary. I play another game where cosmetics and combat don't look like a fireworks display and it's genuinely lovely. There is plenty of room for expression and fun, but it doesn't look out of place in the game world. I really wish ESO was more like that, because we really don't need all the bling and flashy effects to enjoy the game IMHO.
  • Gabriel_H
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    No
    Disadvantage: I have to look at some awful armour styles normally hidden with costumes or motifs
    Advantages include:
    Immersion, as players won't look out of place in the setting

    Immersion would be a diverse world where people can express themselves as individuals, like in the real world.
    Edited by Gabriel_H on June 17, 2025 11:17AM
  • opaj
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    Yes
    I don't think they should add this option, but I would use it if it existed.

    Sometimes. On certain characters.
  • Ascarl
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    Just disable eye-soring effects.
  • Erickson9610
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    Yes
    Rather than a single toggle to disable every kind of cosmetic, perhaps there should be individual toggles for types of cosmetics. For instance, a toggle to turn Skill Styles off if you need to know what abilities your opponents are using, or a toggle to turn Personalities off if you don't want to see those. Definitely a toggle for Mementos, and one for Mounts.

    Maybe instead of just one single default appearance for Mounts, there can be a small list of randomized default Mounts that are drawn from — also affecting Trample.

    I don't think these toggles should be applied to individual characters or users, though — while it would let you further "block" someone who is using Mementos or flashy Mounts at you, it would also mean those assets have to remain loaded if you want to see those cosmetics from anyone else, including yourself. Maybe each individual cosmetic you don't want to see could be put on a blacklist, or you could have a whitelist of approved cosmetics.
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  • JeroenB
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    I'd be happy with a setting that tones down the most obnoxious and frequent offending cosmetics, visually and audibly. Typically mount summoning effects, mount sparkle carpets, and some portal sound effects.

    Oh except for that horrible Jester personality -- anyone who equips that should be auto-perma-banned ;)
  • emilyhyoyeon
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    The way this setting is described, everyone who already chooses to make their characters unimmersive would look effectively just as unimmersive as they do now.

    And the majority of players I see (PC EU) dress their characters much more immersively than the default shiny red rubedite and mix-matched default armor motifs.
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  • silky_soft
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    I've wanted a default skin for each alliance in pvp since forever. Even would settle for light, medium and heavy default skins. Default alliance weapons. Just like the npc.
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  • LadyAstrum
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    No
    People pay good money in this game to present their characters the way they want to, via mounts and various appearances. Good money. I'd prefer my character was not then stripped of all that by a setting.

    If I didn't care about anyone else seeing my character in the way I want them to be presented I'd play a single player game instead.

    As for performance, I'm playing on a 10 year-old PC. Performance is fine!
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  • Aylish
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    No
    I would not want to have all cosmetics disabled. Just shut down those Apex bling and noise. It‘s not immersive and it gets worse with every crate season…
  • BretonMage
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    Generally, I'd say no.

    But I can see them offering some godawful flashy (but popular) thing in the future that will give me a headache, so I think maybe togglable by categories might be the way to go.

    Separate toggles for polymorphs, mounts, skins, for example.
  • Kiyonami
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    Yes
    The only thing I wanted all the time was to be able reduce the intensity of the effects to minimum.
    My eyes... Lot of skill effects are too bright, there are too many flashes, especially when there are a lot of players...
  • preevious
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    There will never be.
    Because that would drop the crate sales by a wide margin.
    Imagine if other players could opt out of seeing your four-legged-and-armed-with-swords horse? Would you spend 220$ to get it?
  • licenturion
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    No

    I play an MMO to be in diverse world full of diverse characters and races.

    You can't flip a switch in real life either to switch certain things off if you don't like them.

    If you really want to play a game where you can police everything you should play a single player games with 50 mods, not an MMO.
    Edited by licenturion on June 20, 2025 7:24AM
  • johnbonne
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    I've voted for other, but I lean more into having the option to say no, I don't want to see that because it's distasteful or it causes physical irritation. I say other just to include the reason why it's probably not going to happen, or may require mods/addons, and that's that cosmetics are adverts, their users advertisers. That's not a criticism of them, that's just a statement of fact. The best advertisement for the crown store is not the crown store, it's the people showing off the things they've bought from it.

    So by all means, I'd love to see sliders to turn down/off some of the more intrusive effects. If people are more concerned about how others see their purchases and need their choices validating, I'd say that's a problem more with them than it is me.
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  • AzuraFan
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    No
    No, the very fact that cosmetics are sold for real money with the rightful understanding that players will purchase them to "show off" is enough to nix this idea. Regardless of the purchasers motive, I could see this being a legal issue.

    Exactly.

    Whenever new crates or items are released in the crown store, I see players at busy wayshrines showing them off. We've all seen it. The player sitting on a new mount near a wayshrine or busy crafting area, or performing that new emote, or wearing that new costume. I just saw this yesterday - someone on one of the new mounts, sitting there next to the wayshrine in Leyawiin. And I've bought stuff because I've seen a player with something and thought, "I want that." So it's a bit of advertising for crown store items, too.

    Being able to show off is part of the appeal of these items for some players. If that was to go away, less would be sold in the crown store. And people who had spent crowns on cosmetics they want to show off would not be happy.
  • SilverBride
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    AzuraFan wrote: »
    Being able to show off is part of the appeal of these items for some players. If that was to go away, less would be sold in the crown store. And people who had spent crowns on cosmetics they want to show off would not be happy.

    Players that want to show off won't be toggling these effects, so they can show off to each other. Only those of us that don't care about them will be toggling them off.

    When I see someone on a bright and loud mount I feel something, but it's not the admiration they are looking for.
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  • BretonMage
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    I actually love it that players like to show off their cosmetics, whether it's people dancing with their special idles/mementos or showing off their latest mounts. It feels good to see people having fun. But if we can't toggle cosmetics off, then I would beseech ZOS not to go overboard with intensely coloured flashy effects. Or perhaps allow a toggle just for the brightest effects?
  • LPapirius
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    In my view ESO suffers from insane cosmetic bloat. All those crazy mounts with their crazy animations are not a good direction to go. The focus should be on the core mechanics of the game. That's what suffering so significantly now days.
  • AzuraFan
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    Players that want to show off won't be toggling these effects, so they can show off to each other. Only those of us that don't care about them will be toggling them off.

    The point is to be able to show off to everybody, not just to a subset of the playerbase.

    There are things other players do that bother me, but I'm not constantly asking for options to turn stuff off. I'd rather ZOS work on fixing bugs, new content, and QoL updates that will benefit everyone, rather than adding tons of options that cater to every player's whim.

    Anyway, because a setting like this would devalue cosmetics for a portion of the playerbase, and the advertising aspect of it, I doubt we'll ever see a setting for this. But I don't always understand ZOS's reasoning for doing something, so I could be wrong.
  • SilverBride
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    AzuraFan wrote: »
    Players that want to show off won't be toggling these effects, so they can show off to each other. Only those of us that don't care about them will be toggling them off.

    The point is to be able to show off to everybody, not just to a subset of the playerbase.

    There are things other players do that bother me, but I'm not constantly asking for options to turn stuff off. I'd rather ZOS work on fixing bugs, new content, and QoL updates that will benefit everyone, rather than adding tons of options that cater to every player's whim.

    Anyway, because a setting like this would devalue cosmetics for a portion of the playerbase, and the advertising aspect of it, I doubt we'll ever see a setting for this. But I don't always understand ZOS's reasoning for doing something, so I could be wrong.

    Why should players that do not admire loud flashy mounts or emotes etc. be forced to see them just to make the players that use them happy? Why should what some want take priority over what others don't want?

    The more realistic atmosphere this game once had was one of the biggest draws for me. These things ruin my immersion and make it feel like a cartoon. A toggle for these effects would make the game way more enjoyable for me again.
    Edited by SilverBride on June 20, 2025 4:28PM
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  • tomofhyrule
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    The "advertising" effect is a strong motivator. Sure, some people may not like it, but that's the way ads work nowadays.

    After all, when's the last time anyone's gone to YouTube and said "gee, I really want to see more ads!" And what's YouTube's response to this? They see people don't like ads, so they... block adblockers. Because that's what pays the bills. And then they also offer a system: "pay us a sub and then you can get no ads!"

    ...which is the most likely solution here. Anyone who thinks a simple "just hide effects!" toggle is reasonable is deluding themselves. But I could totally see a way to throw money at the problem to solve it.

    Actually, that is something ZOS could do that would solve about 3 problems at once. ESO's playerbase prefers to play solo, not for the least of which is because they don't want to see people with flashiness around. I could totally see ESO coming up with a new sub model - ESO Prime, where you can specifically choose to play in a private instance of everything for just you and any groupmates you choose to invite in. Maybe $15 a month, and a bonus deal where you can get that and ESO+ for $25/month total. It'll need to funding to pay for the fact that the server needs to support all of those extra private instances, but then the players never need to see other people and their effects in this MMO again. Plus, add in a simple difficulty slider and you solve that problem as well.
  • Erickson9610
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    Yes
    I honestly do not care what other people are showing off. Frankly, I'm disappointed that people specifically want to show off to everyone else — what do they gain from that? How do they want me to feel about it? Should I be in awe, or compliment them? Do they care or even know that I walk right past them, ignoring them? Nothing of value is gained, as I don't go buy or earn the cosmetics they were using, as I wasn't paying attention to them in the first place.


    I respect that each player wants to roleplay a character they crafted for this world. I don't really agree with the idea that toggling cosmetics increases immersion, but it's a popular argument made in favor of this setting.

    I also know that some cosmetics are used for harassing others, so — in a multiplayer game — there needs to be a setting to hide those, like the in-game block functionality. I know the argument "it's a multiplayer game, deal with it or go to a singleplayer game" is popular, but I disagree that players shouldn't have tools they can use to deal with harassment without getting moderation involved.


    As far as competitive PvP goes, I think it's necessary to have an easily-accessible setting for this to make the gameplay more readable. Being allowed to hide, obscure, and outright mislead others about certain aspects of your character is not healthy for a competitive PvP game. Everyone having access to the setting to simplify details for the sake of fairness would be like allowing everyone to use addons in PvP, which is currently allowed.

    Further, the potential performance gain would be akin to intentionally dropping your graphics settings to the lowest values to reduce lag, which is something anyone can do to get a performance boost.


    Finally, I do want to say that I myself use cosmetics. I don't do it to mislead others about what my equipment or skills actually are, but rather I use them to look cool; I don't show off to people, but sometimes I get compliments from others and I'll thank them. Sometimes I'll customize my characters to look a certain way, then set up their equipment to match their theme.

    I absolutely want more cosmetics added to this game, and I really only see myself hiding other players' cosmetics if they become intrusive or give me a disadvantage. I think everyone should be allowed to control what they see in their game.
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  • thorwyn
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    Cosmetic items include Outfits, Polymorphs, Skins, Markings, Costumes, Mounts, Skill Styles, Mementos, Customized Actions, Personalities, and anything else that you can use to customize your character.

    You are aware that the vast majority of people would be running around in Slimecraw, Selene or any other silly monster helmet then? Making Vivec look like carnival is certainly not immersive.
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