just remove battlegrounds at this point

Dock01 · June 5

It's fake competitive, and this can't be healthy for his mental health. And I don't blame them for leaving the match.

edit: yes, this can affect mental health, no one can have fun like this, and those who say it don't are denying it. lag exploit seems to still be there either that or the server is bad lol

Reverb · June 5

I wasn’t the biggest fan of the BG changes from 3 teams to 2. Whatever, I don’t need to like every facet of the game. I went from doing BG several times a week to only doing them for an Endeavor or Pursuit.

Last night I decided to do some for the first time since subclassing. I did two 4x4 and two 8x8. All 4 matches were the worst pvp experience I’ve ever had, in any game, in my 30 years of pc gaming. It didn’t matter if I was on the winning or losing side, the experience was terrible.

Dock01 · June 5

Reverb wrote: »

I wasn’t the biggest fan of the BG changes from 3 teams to 2. Whatever, I don’t need to like every facet of the game. I went from doing BG several times a week to only doing them for an Endeavor or Pursuit.

Last night I decided to do some for the first time since subclassing. I did two 4x4 and two 8x8. All 4 matches were the worst pvp experience I’ve ever had, in any game, in my 30 years of pc gaming. It didn’t matter if I was on the winning or losing side, the experience was terrible.

I agree, though I still play a lot of bg, but it feels terrible even on the winning side. The same goes for losing, like you said. But I always keep my rule and do not blame my team; you can't. and im getting very close to just leave it be , its getting harder to get a match anyway, there's only a specific time i can play bg cause then i can get a match at around 1 minute plus any other time will yield me more than 15 minutes lol, wierdly same goes for undaunted dungeons.. ugh its concerning

LPapirius · June 5

Reverb wrote: »

I wasn’t the biggest fan of the BG changes from 3 teams to 2. Whatever, I don’t need to like every facet of the game. I went from doing BG several times a week to only doing them for an Endeavor or Pursuit.

Last night I decided to do some for the first time since subclassing. I did two 4x4 and two 8x8. All 4 matches were the worst pvp experience I’ve ever had, in any game, in my 30 years of pc gaming. It didn’t matter if I was on the winning or losing side, the experience was terrible.

2 team BG's are a failure in every way in my view. This is one of the more glaring examples of ZOS "fixing" an aspect of the game in a way that drives players away because the system they already had wasn't broken, it just needed some minor tweaking.

Thumbless_Bot · June 6

Not sure why zos is radio silent on this one. They took away a part of the game that people enjoy and replaced it with something that people do not enjoy. Not all people, but enough that there are several threads exactly like this on the forums.

Let people:

Play

The

Way

They

Want.

Monte_Cristo · June 6

3 team BG was good, more fun than 2 team. If 1 team was absolutely dominating, the other 2 could stiff battle it out for 2nd place. Now if it's a one sided battle, there's nothing to keep fighting for for the losing team.

xylena_lazarow · June 6

The problem is the MMR resets that put all the sweaty regulars back at zero playtime with all the noobs. After a week or so it should shake out again, and the 8v8 solo is a lot easier for vets to carry noobs on, the 4v4 is bad.

Desiato · June 6

I'll repost a basic fantasy proposal that won't happen but could work IMO:

Spin off Battlegrounds, Cyrodiil and IC into its own standalone F2P game but with a twist.

The twist would be that the standalone PVP game would be optionally tied to ESO in many ways. They could share
- characters
- eso+
- crown store
- cosmetics
- housing
- mounts
- outfits

The reason for this is I think ESO PVP could be very popular if it was accessible to players who aren't interested in PVE content.

Like despite all the problems with ESO PVP, it has INCREDIBLE UNTAPPED POTENTIAL and I think the broader PVP gaming audience would love to be able to download it, make a character and get into PVP action right away without the hoops.

Those players could optionally choose to play PVE ESO with their PVP characters and vice versa.

I have felt for years that ESO PVP is a wasted opportunity gated behind the most casual PVE MMO I've personally observed.

Like imagine the Vengeance Cyrodiil campaign for example, except it could also be played by non-ESO players. It would benefit ESO players because it would create a MUCH larger playerbase for Cyrodiil.

RealLoveBVB · June 6

There is no MMR in 8v8.
Else the sweaty players had to wait 3 hours, till 15 other sweaty players appeared.
There is simple no player base to even have a MMR.
When I queue for BGs, I sometimes ask in my guild if they could queue too. Thats players who usually don't play BGs regularly, yet we always get the same matches.
There are 1-3 decent players in each team, rest is filled with 18k hp guys, who probably only want their daily XP.

18k hp guys are actually keeping 8v8 alive lol.

fizzylu · June 6

Reverb wrote: »

All 4 matches were the worst pvp experience I’ve ever had, in any game, in my 30 years of pc gaming. It didn’t matter if I was on the winning or losing side, the experience was terrible.

I love when I see someone else say this because that's exactly how I feel about the current BGs. It's just not a good time, and it's crazy since I used to have so much fun even when losing in the old BGs. Now though? I just want out the whole time and am just waiting for it to end so I can do literally anything else with my time.

Desiato · June 6

RealLoveBVB wrote: »

There is no MMR in 8v8.
Else the sweaty players had to wait 3 hours, till 15 other sweaty players appeared.

I seemed to experience MMR in 8v8 a few months ago when I was briefly playing battlegrounds regularly. My initial competition consistently super easy with basically no cheese builds.

And then after a couple of days it was all meta builds.

I think it's possible MMR works when there's enough play activity to allow for separate queues.

Thumbless_Bot · June 6

xylena_lazarow wrote: »

The problem is the MMR resets that put all the sweaty regulars back at zero playtime with all the noobs. After a week or so it should shake out again, and the 8v8 solo is a lot easier for vets to carry noobs on, the 4v4 is bad.

Agree. Whether or not you like the new format, or 8v8 or 4v4 specifically, I think we can agree mmr needs to be improved, and needs to exist in 8v8.

Chrisilis · June 7

They don't care. They don't care what we want, they don't care what we say, they dont care how we feel. They dont care about our suggestions, they dont care about our observations and they dont care about our experience.

They dont care that the people who care the most, those of us taking the time to post in this forum, are unhappy with the ways things are in battlegrounds and have ideas on how to make it better. They dont want to hear it, they are actively ignoring us and will continue to actively ignore us.

Read somewhere one of the devs said in a interview that two team bg's resulted in increased participation in bg's and that more people were playing as a result of the change (cant remember where, looked for it, couldnt find it). So there you have it. They got what they wanted and we got screwed out of the format we enjoyed in the process. If the two team format continues to be more successful than three team its staying. period. And if people are playing in spite of the issues why fix them. People will play anyway.

It would be nice if we could, at the very very least,get some three team weekends like they said we would instead of throwing out the same two team weekends over and over.

Weesacs · June 7

Chrisilis wrote: »

It would be nice if we could, at the very very least, get some three team weekends like they said we would instead of throwing out the same two team weekends over and over.

Yeah variety is good. I enjoyed the old format and it would be good to experience it again (I miss the old maps as well). Not sure if they could add a 3 team option along with the current 2 team option so people have choices.

I select all BG options anyway when I sign up and just play what pops (except CTR, I just leave that mode); I would select the 3 team option as well if it was available.

xylena_lazarow · June 7

Chrisilis wrote: »

They don't care.

Read somewhere one of the devs said in a interview that two team bg's resulted in increased participation in bg's

They don't need to care about 3-sided BGs any more than they need to care about PvP Justice System or any other unpopular idea that got scrapped. Switching to 2s made the mode more successful bringing in new and returning players, myself included. The 8v8 solo is pretty good but the 4v4 competitive depicted by OP does have serious problems. It's fair to ask for improvements to 2s but no, they aren't going back to a format their data showed to be unsuccessful.

Thumbless_Bot · June 8

Weesacs wrote: »

Chrisilis wrote: »

It would be nice if we could, at the very very least, get some three team weekends like they said we would instead of throwing out the same two team weekends over and over.

Yeah variety is good. I enjoyed the old format and it would be good to experience it again (I miss the old maps as well). Not sure if they could add a 3 team option along with the current 2 team option so people have choices.

I select all BG options anyway when I sign up and just play what pops (except CTR, I just leave that mode); I would select the 3 team option as well if it was available.

A lot of people enjoyed three teams.

No point in removing them. None...

If the new bgs are such a hit, it will not hurt that population to give us three teams back.

Anilahation · June 8

Dock01 wrote: »

It's fake competitive, and this can't be healthy for his mental health. And I don't blame them for leaving the match.

edit: yes, this can affect mental health, no one can have fun like this, and those who say it don't are denying it. lag exploit seems to still be there either that or the server is bad lol

battlegrounds are great on console... just more reason why Cross play needs to be #1 priority moving forward.

Radiate77 · June 8

I love the new battlegrounds.

moderatelyfatman · June 8

xylena_lazarow wrote: »

The problem is the MMR resets that put all the sweaty regulars back at zero playtime with all the noobs. After a week or so it should shake out again, and the 8v8 solo is a lot easier for vets to carry noobs on, the 4v4 is bad.

MMR also doesn't mean much when there are only enough people queuing for a single match.

RealLoveBVB · June 8

xylena_lazarow wrote: »

Switching to 2s made the mode more successful bringing in new and returning players, myself included.

Any datas to proof your statement?

Players returned because of the battle tokens (myself included). This doesn't mean the mode is more successful, because players would have returned on 4v4v4, if they would have introduced battle tokens at this point too.

Also I meet mostly the same players in 8v8. Doesn't look like, that many players returned or 8v8 is more successful than 3 sided matches.

Remove battle tokens and the daily XP boost and you will wait 1 hour for a queue, as players are simply not interested for the current BGs. 18k hp players also don't have a reason to enter BGs anymore and PvPers would lose their interest too, as they won't go on a 30/0 rampage anymore. They actually have to PvP then.

dcrush · June 8

My fav game mode of the 2-team BG is “waiting for players”.

Followed closely by “1 team camps the other’s spawn point because of mismatched teams”.

dinokstrunz · June 8

BGs are 100% worse than before. Every game now is filled with one team just being full of PvE geared players with low health and every fight results in myself getting Xv1 pretty much. I probably have one competitive BG match in 5 with the current modes. Either you stomp the opposing team in seconds or you're getting stomp. It's never close.

2 major updates since the overhaul and there has been zero updates to BGs aside a few bug fixes. Unacceptable to not feed your end game content or make vital changes when its so obviously crying out for changes.

Markytous · June 9

With subclassing now ruining class identity and crushing whatever semblance of balance that previously existed, they might as well just close down PVP as a whole. I fail to see the point. Enjoyed PVP immensely since Morrowind (when BGs were fresh and still fun for everyone) and its sad to see it all finally sunset.

Solariken · June 9

Chrisilis wrote: »

They don't care. They don't care what we want, they don't care what we say, they dont care how we feel. They dont care about our suggestions, they dont care about our observations and they dont care about our experience.

They dont care that the people who care the most, those of us taking the time to post in this forum, are unhappy with the ways things are in battlegrounds and have ideas on how to make it better. They dont want to hear it, they are actively ignoring us and will continue to actively ignore us.

Read somewhere one of the devs said in a interview that two team bg's resulted in increased participation in bg's and that more people were playing as a result of the change (cant remember where, looked for it, couldnt find it). So there you have it. They got what they wanted and we got screwed out of the format we enjoyed in the process. If the two team format continues to be more successful than three team its staying. period. And if people are playing in spite of the issues why fix them. People will play anyway.

It would be nice if we could, at the very very least,get some three team weekends like they said we would instead of throwing out the same two team weekends over and over.

There probably are more people playing BG since the change to 2 teams, but IMO it's solely because they made the rewards a lot better, NOT because people like the new format.