Nah, as much time I put into leveling characters and making builds I won't rusk losing them permanently.

I love archives, but absolutely hate levelling characters, can't think of anything worse than spending all that time then losing it to Gothmau

Though I do enjoy such things in different games that's the one not fitting for it at all imo, gearing and progression systems, how mechanics are, everything is about playing it long term, not a high risk high reward pushes like for example PoE can pull off.

but what is great reward? 99% reward is nothing of value to the end-game player,last 1% maybe achievement mount..
i mean,make a LV50 toon maybe 2hour,use 200+TransmuteCrystals make a build and 1hour run skill point run for me not very hard

The only way people would risk this is for something insanely powerful in endgame content. Which just means it would become an absolute requirement for endgame. And the endgame community in this game feels too small as it is. Adding more hoops to jump through to have a meta build feels like a bad idea.

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

The only way people would risk this is for something insanely powerful in endgame content. Which just means it would become an absolute requirement for endgame. And the endgame community in this game feels too small as it is. Adding more hoops to jump through to have a meta build feels like a bad idea.

This is exactly what I was thinking.

Unless it was pretty much an insanely overpowered weapon or set, no reward would be truly worth, in my opinion, losing a character I put so much time into.

If it were an insanely overpowered weapon or set, then it would soon become required for end game content, because once one or two people have it, and it can't be countered or withstood, it now means other people *need* it just to get anything done in the endgame areas.

Then you would have the calls for adding in a counter to the OP stuff, which either means no one wants the stuff, and no one is going to do the optional hardcore mode, they nerf it into the ground (which results in the same no one wanting to do the content) or they stick the counter into the same mechanic, and now it is even MORE required for endgame content.

The only way I could see this working, without having to add in an extremely powerful endgame *whatever* is if it wasn't permanent, but rather you were locked out of that character for a few hours say. Then the content could be whatever, because more people would be willing to risk losing access to a character in order to obtain whatever it was.

The second issue I see is that IA doesn't actually have an end, so where would this reward be? At what point should this powerful endgame content be put in?

Oops, I didn't read full post. Should have answered Maybe.

It would be cool to have a hard mode in Infinite Archives where you have only 1 strand of fate, and levels have new hazards like a full map of cold blizzard weather like Forelhost in The Rift, and waves of enemies spawn immediately rather than giving you time to recover resources, or maybe some form of expansion with a new story.

Infinite Archive is one of the best pieces of content in the game imo, so adding onto it would be great imo.

Cooperharley wrote: »

If they allowed you to create a template character specifically for this challenge to make it rogue-like, sure. But, I wouldn't want to risk losing an entire character.

I'm a fan of hardcore, but with the way ZOS has implemented systems - making them grindy to sell solutions in the store - it doesn't fit well in this game as im completely unwilling to do many of these systems again. They're really good at making parts of the game feel overly tedious, like chores or a job, so yes if done right, but as stated, nah

That takes away the risk involved that the opening post has in mind. If you can just fail then immediately create another from the template you really only lose the time spent in the character creation screen.

I don't think the idea would work in any way as others have pointed out the archive has no end so eventually you die. Even if it were changed so you only need to get to level ten (or whatever level has appropriate difficulty in reaching) with no death I doubt many players would risk a character giving it a go. Might be fun if it were an all or nothing in a different way though. If you get past the level with no death you get some righteous rewards. If you die you come out naked and everything in player inventory is taken.

I know your suggestion is for an optional mode, but there would inevitably people who didn't understand what they were getting into. And beyond that, there would be people who did know what they were getting into but came to regret their decision down the road. Either ZOS makes it reversible and takes the whole point away, or they refuse and create a bunch of bad feelings.

The benefits to the minimal number of people who would actually enjoy this are vastly outweighed by the consequences.

Only reward that would be fitting for such risk a pve version of Volendrung!!!
I would be up to losing characters if I could get Volendrung 🙃

I will never sacrifice one of my toons. So it means to create a dummy: No way!
- I don't want to redo a full leveling up.
- I don't want to waste tons of gold for a new equipment sufficient for IA, that I could lose some minutes later.

Although I like this sort of thing, I think ESO is just not designed for this. Mainly, there's practically no reward that would be tempting enough to make many people consider trying this mode, in which case they've just developed a gameplay mode that hardly anyone uses. And if a large enough reward were implemented, you'd probably end up with a boon to powerleveling services so that people can basically get the reward with throw-away characters. Along with that, you might get a boon to RMT for those powerleveling services, too.

I actually love high risk, high reward. I even enjoy high risk low reward. My favorite game is Rust which is a full loot pvp game with sleepers.

When I played Everquest, the player's gear and inventory would stay on their corpse where they died and if they wanted it back they had to go back to where they died to get it, despite having respawned naked and their corpse being surrounded by monsters, possibly deep in a dungeon.

But I wouldn't enjoy losing a character because my internet connection failed, a ddos, an eso bug, a pc crash, etc...

There's lots of ways ZOS could add more risk/reward to ESO without going to such an extreme, but I doubt it will ever happen because it has such a casual audience that tends to dislike it when content isn't accessible to them.