The Etiquette of... Teabagging?

El_Borracho · May 5

I don't care about teabaggers, I think they are ridiculous, but I do find myself laughing at players who teabag others that they did not kill. As in they were getting wrecked, ran/streaked away, and their 5-6 buddies came to their rescue. Then they ran over and teabag like they did something. Saw someone this weekend where that was ALL they did. Like he/she was the cheerleader of the DC. Saw them once die, get rezzed, then run over and teabag someone.

It made me look back on the last few weeks and I don't think I've seen a player who either registered the kill or played a role in the kill teabag the victim. Its always someone who fled the scene or watched from the cheap seats.

If you're going to celebrate the kill like its your first time in Cyrodiil, at least play.

xylena_lazarow · May 5

It's just trolling. An attempt to provoke a reaction, like people talking about it in zone chat, or someone making a forum thread. The real problem is the lack of an enforcement system. The trolls know they'll get away with it.

Soarora · May 5

One time a friend and I got in a fight with someone in imperial city and killed a guy. Someone I don’t know teabagged the corpse and the deceased dmed me yelling at me. Said I didn’t know the offender and led the person I killed to the person who teabagged him even though they were on my team. Fun time.

I think people overreact about it. It’s immature on the teabagger’s part unless the recipient is a friend or NPC IMO. Nothing to stoop to their level over.

El_Borracho · May 5

@xylena_lazarow and @Soarora agree with both. It doesn't upset me, I just found it silly that someone would do it when they have zero to claim or boast about. Would be like someone reading the kill feed and bragging about someone else killing a player.

Then again, maybe they think that is the real endgame.

xylena_lazarow · May 5

El_Borracho wrote: »

Then again, maybe they think that is the real endgame.

Pretty much. They know exactly what they're doing, and the sort of reactions it'll get.

Markytous · May 5

Again, people actually think when I'm activating Sentry 5pc I'm partaking in tbags. I'm not! I'm trying not to be ganked after a fight.

Telel · May 5

If you can get a video of the simulated S.assault (Which is what this is), ZOS can and does take action against the walking disappointments which engage in this behavior.

But first you have to have the video. Then file the report. Then send in the clip to the automated emial ZOS will send your way.
If you can get others to send in the clip it might also help as so much of the reporting system seems semi-automated.

While ZOS will ignore blatant score boosting, cross faction scrubbery, and all but the most blatant examples of third party 'enhancements', they will take 'appropriate action' on people who engage in such gross actions.Hopefully in order to keep such vile predators away from the kids and survivors they so love to hunt down and 'interact' with.

Theignson · May 6

The general rule is that the person who does the least damage, does the most tbagging

cuddles_with_wroble · May 6

El_Borracho wrote: »

I don't care about teabaggers, I think they are ridiculous, but I do find myself laughing at players who teabag others that they did not kill. As in they were getting wrecked, ran/streaked away, and their 5-6 buddies came to their rescue. Then they ran over and teabag like they did something. Saw someone this weekend where that was ALL they did. Like he/she was the cheerleader of the DC. Saw them once die, get rezzed, then run over and teabag someone.

It made me look back on the last few weeks and I don't think I've seen a player who either registered the kill or played a role in the kill teabag the victim. Its always someone who fled the scene or watched from the cheap seats.

If you're going to celebrate the kill like its your first time in Cyrodiil, at least play.

most likely its a bait to get you banned, in my exp when people like that t bag you they are trying to get you to t bag them back... in which case they and their buddies report you and then you get perma banned.

seen it happen at least 20 times

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO · May 6

cuddles_with_wroble wrote: »

El_Borracho wrote: »

I don't care about teabaggers, I think they are ridiculous, but I do find myself laughing at players who teabag others that they did not kill. As in they were getting wrecked, ran/streaked away, and their 5-6 buddies came to their rescue. Then they ran over and teabag like they did something. Saw someone this weekend where that was ALL they did. Like he/she was the cheerleader of the DC. Saw them once die, get rezzed, then run over and teabag someone.

It made me look back on the last few weeks and I don't think I've seen a player who either registered the kill or played a role in the kill teabag the victim. Its always someone who fled the scene or watched from the cheap seats.

If you're going to celebrate the kill like its your first time in Cyrodiil, at least play.

most likely its a bait to get you banned, in my exp when people like that t bag you they are trying to get you to t bag them back... in which case they and their buddies report you and then you get perma banned.

seen it happen at least 20 times

Can confirm this happens on EU a lot people will try and bait you into tbagging them so they mass report you. (this was last year when I played there and I can't imagine it has improved based on the recent posts I've seen)

I've even seen people reported there for replying to a hate whisper, luckily that person wasn't banned just 'warned' about their language when the support seemingly ignored the 10+ messages the guy had sent her trash talking / being rude.

These days its better to just not engage with anyone in PVP unless you know them.

xylena_lazarow · May 6

cuddles_with_wroble wrote: »

most likely its a bait to get you banned, in my exp when people like that t bag you they are trying to get you to t bag them back... in which case they and their buddies report you and then you get perma banned. seen it happen at least 20 times

Yep exactly. This is the problem with having no functional enforcement system and putting it all on the players to police themselves, inevitably you end up with crap like this. I don't even know how to make a video, let alone maintain video surveillance on everything going on around me in case of malicious shenanigans.

soelslaev · May 6

Once or twice a week, after a fight where I have to quickly go to another one far away, and I'm next to a dead enemy, and I can't mount because the game thinks I'm in combat, so I go to stealth and wait for the eye to close, and then pop back up and try to mount again. It seems to work about one third of the time.

I worry that the other person thinks I'm doing the tea bag thing. Last time I did it, I moved a few steps away to let them know, but I'm not sure if that communicates my intent. And sometimes, I am not fast enough to realize I am doing my cannot-mount-work-around on top of a dead body.

I don't mind it done to myself, and I understand that less mature people derive pleasure from it, so I do not fault them for it either. But I am also aware that it bother the more sensitive folks, so I don't want to cause them that distress either.

In sort, reduce the cannot-mount-while-in-combat timer. Or, just remove the limitation. Mounting a horse in combat has got to be more suicidal than trying to swim in combat, right?

El_Borracho · May 6

@Telel and @cuddles_with_wroble That makes a lot more sense. I don't teabag players as my killing of them matters to me as much to me as their killing of me, so a response in kind never occurred to me. If this is their true intent, that's pathetic.

It is frustrating when ZOS will not take action against players who do the cross faction shenanigans (i.e. run the hammer to the other side), or spam inboxes, but will go out of their way to punish for innocuous nonsense. I got a 3 day ban for spelling "CRYSTAL FRAGS" wrong... TO A FRIEND. IN A WHISPER. WHO DID NOT REPORT ME. But will do nothing about a guild using their DC players to run scrolls to their AP players.

joshisanonymous · May 7

Don't do it. Report people who do do it. It's simulating a forced sexual act on another player. There's a reason such behavior is bannable.

(Queue the "you must be real fun at parties" jokes and such. And if it's a party where sexual assault is considered "fun", then you're right, I'm not a joy to be around at those.)

xylena_lazarow · May 7

joshisanonymous wrote: »

Don't do it. Report people who do do it.

The stated policy from ZOS is that they have no way to prove there has been a violation unless video evidence is provided, so normal report tickets probably aren't going to do anything.

Gilvoth · May 7

Just because you don't understand why they are T-Bagging people they did not kill doesn't mean that its without merit, and that it doesn't have deep meanings possibly steeped in a history that is beyond the ability to fathom.

Credible_Joe · May 7

Teabagging

Insecure
Spiteful
Toxic

/admireme

Glib
Goofy
ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED

There is a choice to be made here. Both convey victory over the defeated. Only one is in good taste.

SilverBride · May 7

ZoS needs to disable the crouching animation in PvP and change it to something like a semi transparency. This would solve the problem once and for all and take a lot of burden off the already overworked customer service that has to address all the complaints.

El_Borracho · May 7

Gilvoth wrote: »

Just because you don't understand why they are T-Bagging people they did not kill doesn't mean that its without merit, and that is doesn't have deep meanings possibly steeped in the history of builds or actions that are beyond you to fathom.

The Existential Quandary of Cyrodiil: An Essay on the Defense of Meritorious Teabagging. I await the next excerpt in what is undoubtedly one in a series of learned treatises.

This is one of the funniest things I have read on this site.

Gilvoth · May 7

El_Borracho wrote: »

Gilvoth wrote: »

Just because you don't understand why they are T-Bagging people they did not kill doesn't mean that its without merit, and that is doesn't have deep meanings possibly steeped in the history of builds or actions that are beyond you to fathom.

The Existential Quandary of Cyrodiil: An Essay on the Defense of Meritorious Teabagging. I await the next excerpt in what is undoubtedly one in a series of learned treatises.

This is one of the funniest things I have read on this site.

you changed the wording in my comment.
not only embarrassing to me but also inappropriate, and against the forum rules and TOS.
it is re-portable but i will not report it. as it is trivial, and leads to prove what my main comment began with. and also what is the entire result of being T-bagged.
humans simply do not retain full understanding of situations and actions even here as we see ingame with something as said "trivial" as T-bagging.

sans-culottes · May 7

Gilvoth wrote: »

El_Borracho wrote: »

Gilvoth wrote: »

Just because you don't understand why they are T-Bagging people they did not kill doesn't mean that its without merit, and that is doesn't have deep meanings possibly steeped in the history of builds or actions that are beyond you to fathom.

The Existential Quandary of Cyrodiil: An Essay on the Defense of Meritorious Teabagging. I await the next excerpt in what is undoubtedly one in a series of learned treatises.

This is one of the funniest things I have read on this site.

you changed the wording in my comment.
not only embarrassing to me but also inappropriate, and against the forum rules and TOS.
it is re-portable but i will not report it. as it is trivial, and leads to prove what my main comment began with. and also what is the entire result of being T-bagged.
humans simply do not retain full understanding of situations and actions even here as we see ingame with something as said "trivial" as T-bagging.

Not seeing what they changed, sorry. I do notice, however, that at 1:32 PM EDT you changed “is” to “it.” Maybe I’m missing something?

Gilvoth · May 8

player culture, and history.

El_Borracho · May 8

Gilvoth wrote: »

player culture, and history.

I hit "Quote" on your post, so keep changing your post while claiming I somehow misquoted you. Because I care so deeply.

Gilvoth · May 8

El_Borracho wrote: »

Gilvoth wrote: »

player culture, and history.

I hit "Quote" on your post, so keep changing your post while claiming I somehow misquoted you. Because I care so deeply.

it seems by this statement i have quoted here above that the answer the question this thread ...

OH and also ...

El_Borracho wrote: »

Gilvoth wrote: »

Just because you don't understand why they are T-Bagging people they did not kill doesn't mean that its without merit, and that is doesn't have deep meanings possibly steeped in the history of builds or actions that are beyond you to fathom.

The Existential Quandary of Cyrodiil: An Essay on the Defense of Meritorious Teabagging. I await the next excerpt in what is undoubtedly one in a series of learned treatises.

This is one of the funniest things I have read on this site.

hmm, seems there was a 2nd excerpt even though it was predicted there would not be ...

cuddles_with_wroble · May 12

soelslaev wrote: »

Once or twice a week, after a fight where I have to quickly go to another one far away, and I'm next to a dead enemy, and I can't mount because the game thinks I'm in combat, so I go to stealth and wait for the eye to close, and then pop back up and try to mount again. It seems to work about one third of the time.

I worry that the other person thinks I'm doing the tea bag thing. Last time I did it, I moved a few steps away to let them know, but I'm not sure if that communicates my intent. And sometimes, I am not fast enough to realize I am doing my cannot-mount-work-around on top of a dead body.

I don't mind it done to myself, and I understand that less mature people derive pleasure from it, so I do not fault them for it either. But I am also aware that it bother the more sensitive folks, so I don't want to cause them that distress either.

In sort, reduce the cannot-mount-while-in-combat timer. Or, just remove the limitation. Mounting a horse in combat has got to be more suicidal than trying to swim in combat, right?

i have a friend who got perma banned for this exact situation, the person he stealthed on top of just happened to be streaming and he got insta banned with no strikes

cuddles_with_wroble · May 12

joshisanonymous wrote: »

Don't do it. Report people who do do it. It's simulating a forced sexual act on another player. There's a reason such behavior is bannable.

(Queue the "you must be real fun at parties" jokes and such. And if it's a party where sexual assault is considered "fun", then you're right, I'm not a joy to be around at those.)

you are either young or you didnt grow up playing video games bcs this is a common misrepresentation that i see. teabagging is in no way "simulating a sexual act" nor is it sexual in any way, this is a massive twisting of the original and intended meaning. you just t bag people that you either styled on skillfully or who failed horribly at killing you, its the video game version of pointing and laughing at someone

the actual correct etiquette for t bagging is that if someone t bags you, than you go kill them and t bag them back and then whisper them a smiley face... THATS the intended way t bagging is meant to be handled, its supposed to promote friendly rivalry in competitive scenarios

xylena_lazarow · May 12

cuddles_with_wroble wrote: »

THATS the intended way t bagging is meant to be handled, its supposed to promote friendly rivalry in competitive scenarios

Yea there's plenty of friendly joke bagging, but there's also plenty of malicious harrassment. And you can't say it doesn't at least vaguely resemble a simulated sex act, you've got one character sitting on another's face...

Right now we have the worst of both worlds, where enforcement exists, but isn't applied fairly. It would be more fair if they either didn't enforce bagging at all (okay idea), or had a zero-tolerance policy (less okay idea).

cuddles_with_wroble · May 12

xylena_lazarow wrote: »

cuddles_with_wroble wrote: »

THATS the intended way t bagging is meant to be handled, its supposed to promote friendly rivalry in competitive scenarios

Yea there's plenty of friendly joke bagging, but there's also plenty of malicious harrassment. And you can't say it doesn't at least vaguely resemble a simulated sex act, you've got one character sitting on another's face...

Right now we have the worst of both worlds, where enforcement exists, but isn't applied fairly. It would be more fair if they either didn't enforce bagging at all (okay idea), or had a zero-tolerance policy (less okay idea).

the thing is tho its REALLY obv when someone is being malicious about it and when they arent. if someone is constantly running you down and t bagging you and youve done nothing to them than thats just them being toxic, but if you have a close fight or a ganker/bomber fails to kill you and dies and then you give em a quick bag thats all in good fun

xylena_lazarow · May 12

cuddles_with_wroble wrote: »

the thing is tho its REALLY obv when someone is being malicious about it and when they arent. if someone is constantly running you down and t bagging you and youve done nothing to them than thats just them being toxic, but if you have a close fight or a ganker/bomber fails to kill you and dies and then you give em a quick bag thats all in good fun

We know that because we know the players, but the people doing the enforcement don't, and probably have no way of knowing who a friend or random jerk, whether a video was taken in good faith or set as a malicious trap...

The enforcement system would ideally develop an appropriate method for figuring this out, just as our legal system has courts, or as any business should have systems for ensuring its customers are being treated fairly.

mrreow · May 12

I don’t know why anyone would become angry at such act unless they were already in a pretty bad mood. I think it is a waste of time and resources to try to prevent it somehow. It barely resembles anything anyway. If tomorrow we decided that three crouches and a jump is some kind of pro slavery or oppressive symbol it would be similarly pointless to try to prevent it as the problem is not with the game but with players and their parents and we cannot ban character animations

SeaGtGruff · May 12

El_Borracho wrote: »

I don't care about teabaggers, I think they are ridiculous, but I do find myself laughing at players who teabag others that they did not kill. As in they were getting wrecked, ran/streaked away, and their 5-6 buddies came to their rescue. Then they ran over and teabag like they did something. Saw someone this weekend where that was ALL they did. Like he/she was the cheerleader of the DC. Saw them once die, get rezzed, then run over and teabag someone.

It made me look back on the last few weeks and I don't think I've seen a player who either registered the kill or played a role in the kill teabag the victim. Its always someone who fled the scene or watched from the cheap seats.

If you're going to celebrate the kill like its your first time in Cyrodiil, at least play.

I’ve been tea-bagged a few times, but I just ignore it. Being a DC player, it’s usually an AD or EP player who tea-bags me— but last week I did get tea-bagged by a fellow DC!

On a couple of occasions the tea-bagger is like you said— a player who didn’t even kill me, but who came over and tea-bagged me after his fellow EPS had just run me down.