So with the current patch which class will be good to pick up ?

chongguang · May 6

I dont think there will be any big changes in next weeks. Adjustments seems over this week ， so which class would be good to pick up as base class ? Still arcanists as they have almost the best class mastery sribe or other option ?

Zyaneth_Bal · May 6

Some class from a different game tbh

Mayrael · May 6

Arcanist is solid choice as always. My second would be Warden then NB, Sorc, DK, Templar and Necro. Would swap it a little bit depending on content but first 2 are easy choice because they have 3 solid skill lines so its better to have them as main class since you can stick with 2 native skill lines. NB is best at damage but you need only Assassination skill line so it's easy to subclass it (thats why I placed it at 3rd spot). Sorc have pets, streak and critical surge - solid but there are better options. DK, Templar and Necro are good only as subclasses IMHO since most of the time you will need only one of their skill lines.

BattleAxe · May 6

It’s a matter of preference honestly choosing right subclasses can take any of the classes up a notch

katorga · May 6

Mayrael wrote: »

Arcanist is solid choice as always. My second would be Warden then NB, Sorc, DK, Templar and Necro. Would swap it a little bit depending on content but first 2 are easy choice because they have 3 solid skill lines so its better to have them as main class since you can stick with 2 native skill lines. NB is best at damage but you need only Assassination skill line so it's easy to subclass it (thats why I placed it at 3rd spot). Sorc have pets, streak and critical surge - solid but there are better options. DK, Templar and Necro are good only as subclasses IMHO since most of the time you will need only one of their skill lines.

Pretty much nails it for PVE dps.

Pick the class which you would potentially use two class skill lines, then scribing class mastery, then class sets.

chongguang · May 6

So, is the adjustment for U46 really over and we wont have any more changes of combats in future weeks? I woudl double check it by comparing to adjustment history e.g last year. Cuz I still feel ZOS seems had or hide something and woudl release in next weeks. Correct me if I am wrong ...

SaintJohnHM · May 6

Multiclassing is just a garbage gimmick to get more people to buy the chapter for Arcanist, it was already the default class for DDs because of its extra easy damage and survivability, now we'll need Arc skill lines for support also.

francesinhalover · May 7

SaintJohnHM wrote: »

Multiclassing is just a garbage gimmick to get more people to buy the chapter for Arcanist, it was already the default class for DDs because of its extra easy damage and survivability, now we'll need Arc skill lines for support also.

I mean arcanist feels amazing to use compared to the other classes. It's like comparing chocolate cake to potato (not talking dmg)

Markytous · May 7

PVE Arcanist every time.
PVP Sorcerer for Streak and Nightblade for Cloak - fill in the rest with anything you want.

Evil_Rurouni · May 7

katorga wrote: »

Mayrael wrote: »

Arcanist is solid choice as always. My second would be Warden then NB, Sorc, DK, Templar and Necro. Would swap it a little bit depending on content but first 2 are easy choice because they have 3 solid skill lines so its better to have them as main class since you can stick with 2 native skill lines. NB is best at damage but you need only Assassination skill line so it's easy to subclass it (thats why I placed it at 3rd spot). Sorc have pets, streak and critical surge - solid but there are better options. DK, Templar and Necro are good only as subclasses IMHO since most of the time you will need only one of their skill lines.

Pretty much nails it for PVE dps.

Pick the class which you would potentially use two class skill lines, then scribing class mastery, then class sets.

If picking a class so you have the option of using 2 skill lines, I'd suggest looking at DK.

Both DPS and tank could legitimately keep both ardent flame and earthen heart, only dumping draconic power for a more specialised DLC skill line.

DPS?
Earthen gives the eruption skill, free resources from ult, and suppies group with minor brutality.
Ardent gives Fire DoTs aplenty and free resources from combustion.
I'd just add necro damage skill line.

Tank?
Earthen gives the Igneous skill , free resources from ult, and suppies group with minor brutality.
Ardent gives chains and free resources from combustion.
I'd just add Warden frost tank skill line.

Templars could also justifiably run 2 class skill lines.

ADarklore · May 7

Interestingly... the majority of streamers putting out 'best class' guides... don't even rank Arcanist as 'S' tier anymore. I won't be picking Arcanist as my main, because most passives require use of Crux system- which doesn't mix well with other classes. I may utilize Arcanist in some builds for subclassing, but I've chosen NB as my main- and not even because of the 'Assassin' skill line.

chongguang · May 7

ADarklore wrote: »

Interestingly... the majority of streamers putting out 'best class' guides... don't even rank Arcanist as 'S' tier anymore. I won't be picking Arcanist as my main, because most passives require use of Crux system- which doesn't mix well with other classes. I may utilize Arcanist in some builds for subclassing, but I've chosen NB as my main- and not even because of the 'Assassin' skill line.

Do you have new basic tier list from streamers ? It doesnt matter if it changes by new adjustment in next weeks.

Zyaneth_Bal · May 7

ADarklore wrote: »

Interestingly... the majority of streamers putting out 'best class' guides... don't even rank Arcanist as 'S' tier anymore. I won't be picking Arcanist as my main, because most passives require use of Crux system- which doesn't mix well with other classes. I may utilize Arcanist in some builds for subclassing, but I've chosen NB as my main- and not even because of the 'Assassin' skill line.

Streaming and content creating in general is quite unpopular in eso, in other words there are a lot fewer content creators than one would expect an mmorpg to be covered by. Not only that but the overwhelming majority of eso content creators either don’t possess basic knowledge of the game like most players or purposefully promote suboptimal builds in order to appease said majority of players.
Never follow “the majority of streamers” because very few of them actually understand the game, can probably even say several.

Zyaneth_Bal · May 7

chongguang wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

Interestingly... the majority of streamers putting out 'best class' guides... don't even rank Arcanist as 'S' tier anymore. I won't be picking Arcanist as my main, because most passives require use of Crux system- which doesn't mix well with other classes. I may utilize Arcanist in some builds for subclassing, but I've chosen NB as my main- and not even because of the 'Assassin' skill line.

Do you have new basic tier list from streamers ? It doesnt matter if it changes by new adjustment in next weeks.

As a dd acanist remains the best choice due to it’s class mastery script that’s used with banner. Because herald of the tome is the strongest skill line both on dummy (with tentacular dread) and in content (with fatecarver). With arc class script banner there’s no need to use extra skill slots and gcd to generate crux while other skill lines can be subclassed.

Markytous · May 7

Zyaneth_Bal wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

Interestingly... the majority of streamers putting out 'best class' guides... don't even rank Arcanist as 'S' tier anymore. I won't be picking Arcanist as my main, because most passives require use of Crux system- which doesn't mix well with other classes. I may utilize Arcanist in some builds for subclassing, but I've chosen NB as my main- and not even because of the 'Assassin' skill line.

Streaming and content creating in general is quite unpopular in eso, in other words there are a lot fewer content creators than one would expect an mmorpg to be covered by. Not only that but the overwhelming majority of eso content creators either don’t possess basic knowledge of the game like most players or purposefully promote suboptimal builds in order to appease said majority of players.
Never follow “the majority of streamers” because very few of them actually understand the game, can probably even say several.

This cannot be said enough. 100% facts. So many clickbait build advice and montage video-slop with no editing skills or even funny music. Mostly trap music over bored, tired gameplay. I'm sick of these youtube video posters posting build videos in a long-tired meta where nothing has changed for years. Same sets, same skills - the meta has been solved across all content but they need to post something to "grow their brand". Its borderline misinformation. Nothing against people sharing fun builds; this message is directed as BEST BUILD MILLIONS OF DAMAGE guide videos. What I'm trying to say is that I fail to see any creative content being made from this quite large game.

Evil_Rurouni · May 7

ADarklore wrote: »

Interestingly... the majority of streamers putting out 'best class' guides... don't even rank Arcanist as 'S' tier anymore. I won't be picking Arcanist as my main, because most passives require use of Crux system- which doesn't mix well with other classes. I may utilize Arcanist in some builds for subclassing, but I've chosen NB as my main- and not even because of the 'Assassin' skill line.

Streamers probably struggle with Arcanist on PTS because it requires a dedicated build to work correctly now.
It'll underperform if you just cut and paste a "standard" champion point setup now that beam counts as direct damage instead of a DoT.

Combine that with the need to manage crux that you pointed out and streamers that don't really know what they're doing are gonna switch to something more cookie cutter.

If you or anyone else here decided to experiment with an arcanist dps, I'd suggest slotting 1 hard hitting skill that consumes crux, a spammable that generates it, jeebus beam from templars "dawn's wrath" line, and going full direct damage focus instead of DoT focus.

I *think* backlash and solar barrage from "dawn's wrath" are both direct damage too?

If so, thats 5 of your 10 skill slots filled, and 2 of your 3 skill lines.
6 of 10 if Tome-Bearer's Inspiration is direct damage too.

Not sure what I'd use for the remainder.

Twohothardware · May 8

Zyaneth_Bal wrote: »

Some class from a different game tbh

Name the other MMO that's better than ESO.

SaintJohnHM wrote: »

Multiclassing is just a garbage gimmick to get more people to buy the chapter for Arcanist, it was already the default class for DDs because of its extra easy damage and survivability, now we'll need Arc skill lines for support also.

Other class skill lines will be capable of similar or higher single target damage as Arcanist. And what support has to have Arcanist? You can easily build a meta tank with a DK/Necro/Warden combo. And classes like Nightblade and Sorc are meta for PvP.

Zyaneth_Bal · May 8

Twohothardware wrote: »

Zyaneth_Bal wrote: »

Some class from a different game tbh

Name the other MMO that's better than ESO.

SaintJohnHM wrote: »

Multiclassing is just a garbage gimmick to get more people to buy the chapter for Arcanist, it was already the default class for DDs because of its extra easy damage and survivability, now we'll need Arc skill lines for support also.

Other class skill lines will be capable of similar or higher single target damage as Arcanist. And what support has to have Arcanist? You can easily build a meta tank with a DK/Necro/Warden combo. And classes like Nightblade and Sorc are meta for PvP.

Certainly there’s no need to explain why it is wrong to distinct games as simply “better” and “worse”. Sure, eso is unique but there are other outstanding projects like wow and bdo (which are stronger than eso in terms of writing and combat respectively). Of course all games come with their own flaws but zos is the only developer I know that treats their players with complete disregard and contempt. Not to mention that eso is the only mmo whose devs consistently harm the game with their lack of understanding and involvement.

By other classes you mean hearld of the tome paired with assassination as a base then 1-2 skills from said any class?

Nb and sorc are meta in pvp on live to be correct. But they will no longer be next update in their “pure” states. Nb’s assassination will be the most sought after skill line that much is obvious, sorc on the other hand has no skill lines worth slotting over other stronger ones. Not to mention that the class itself will fall behind significantly in light of subclassing and nerfs. And please don’t give me the argument of “streak being an op mobility tool” it was half a decade ago.

Renato90085 · May 8

if no more change, all i konw there good player who can solo dungreon trifecta or top 1% trial trifecta still think arc still is best base class

sans-culottes · May 8

I hear Shadow Priests are looking strong this patch.

Twohothardware · May 8

Zyaneth_Bal wrote: »

Twohothardware wrote: »

Zyaneth_Bal wrote: »

Some class from a different game tbh

Name the other MMO that's better than ESO.

SaintJohnHM wrote: »

Multiclassing is just a garbage gimmick to get more people to buy the chapter for Arcanist, it was already the default class for DDs because of its extra easy damage and survivability, now we'll need Arc skill lines for support also.

Other class skill lines will be capable of similar or higher single target damage as Arcanist. And what support has to have Arcanist? You can easily build a meta tank with a DK/Necro/Warden combo. And classes like Nightblade and Sorc are meta for PvP.

Certainly there’s no need to explain why it is wrong to distinct games as simply “better” and “worse”. Sure, eso is unique but there are other outstanding projects like wow and bdo (which are stronger than eso in terms of writing and combat respectively). Of course all games come with their own flaws but zos is the only developer I know that treats their players with complete disregard and contempt. Not to mention that eso is the only mmo whose devs consistently harm the game with their lack of understanding and involvement.

By other classes you mean hearld of the tome paired with assassination as a base then 1-2 skills from said any class?

Nb and sorc are meta in pvp on live to be correct. But they will no longer be next update in their “pure” states. Nb’s assassination will be the most sought after skill line that much is obvious, sorc on the other hand has no skill lines worth slotting over other stronger ones. Not to mention that the class itself will fall behind significantly in light of subclassing and nerfs. And please don’t give me the argument of “streak being an op mobility tool” it was half a decade ago.

If there were other outstanding projects like wow and bdo that offers better gameplay than ESO everyone would be playing them instead of here in the PTS section for ESO.

You don't need Arcanist at all to reach similar single target DPS using subclassing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGDa78_EM0E

My statement about PvP is that Arcanist is not meta for PvP. Combinations of classes like NB and Sorc will be the meta.

Renato90085 · May 8

Twohothardware wrote: »

Zyaneth_Bal wrote: »

Twohothardware wrote: »

Zyaneth_Bal wrote: »

Some class from a different game tbh

Name the other MMO that's better than ESO.

SaintJohnHM wrote: »

Multiclassing is just a garbage gimmick to get more people to buy the chapter for Arcanist, it was already the default class for DDs because of its extra easy damage and survivability, now we'll need Arc skill lines for support also.

Other class skill lines will be capable of similar or higher single target damage as Arcanist. And what support has to have Arcanist? You can easily build a meta tank with a DK/Necro/Warden combo. And classes like Nightblade and Sorc are meta for PvP.

Certainly there’s no need to explain why it is wrong to distinct games as simply “better” and “worse”. Sure, eso is unique but there are other outstanding projects like wow and bdo (which are stronger than eso in terms of writing and combat respectively). Of course all games come with their own flaws but zos is the only developer I know that treats their players with complete disregard and contempt. Not to mention that eso is the only mmo whose devs consistently harm the game with their lack of understanding and involvement.

By other classes you mean hearld of the tome paired with assassination as a base then 1-2 skills from said any class?

Nb and sorc are meta in pvp on live to be correct. But they will no longer be next update in their “pure” states. Nb’s assassination will be the most sought after skill line that much is obvious, sorc on the other hand has no skill lines worth slotting over other stronger ones. Not to mention that the class itself will fall behind significantly in light of subclassing and nerfs. And please don’t give me the argument of “streak being an op mobility tool” it was half a decade ago.

If there were other outstanding projects like wow and bdo that offers better gameplay than ESO everyone would be playing them instead of here in the PTS section for ESO.

You don't need Arcanist at all to reach similar single target DPS using subclassing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGDa78_EM0E

My statement about PvP is that Arcanist is not meta for PvP. Combinations of classes like NB and Sorc will be the meta.

Arcanist main problem is ,In Pve st dmg doesn't matter so live(U45) not need any st class
so 170k st / Aoe not same thing..
because 130-140k aoe Enough skip all hard mode mechanic , like dsrhm now(U45) you can use all st class skip all bridge and stop boss summon mobs(because 60sec summon ,Dps too quick she will stop summon and open next bridge,U46 we can use all arc do this
Your are just parse a big dummy with other 7dps
but 170k st can't skip anything in any new trial , most of them is Aoe combat

Zyaneth_Bal · May 9

Twohothardware wrote: »

Zyaneth_Bal wrote: »

Twohothardware wrote: »

Zyaneth_Bal wrote: »

Some class from a different game tbh

Name the other MMO that's better than ESO.

SaintJohnHM wrote: »

Multiclassing is just a garbage gimmick to get more people to buy the chapter for Arcanist, it was already the default class for DDs because of its extra easy damage and survivability, now we'll need Arc skill lines for support also.

Other class skill lines will be capable of similar or higher single target damage as Arcanist. And what support has to have Arcanist? You can easily build a meta tank with a DK/Necro/Warden combo. And classes like Nightblade and Sorc are meta for PvP.

Certainly there’s no need to explain why it is wrong to distinct games as simply “better” and “worse”. Sure, eso is unique but there are other outstanding projects like wow and bdo (which are stronger than eso in terms of writing and combat respectively). Of course all games come with their own flaws but zos is the only developer I know that treats their players with complete disregard and contempt. Not to mention that eso is the only mmo whose devs consistently harm the game with their lack of understanding and involvement.

By other classes you mean hearld of the tome paired with assassination as a base then 1-2 skills from said any class?

Nb and sorc are meta in pvp on live to be correct. But they will no longer be next update in their “pure” states. Nb’s assassination will be the most sought after skill line that much is obvious, sorc on the other hand has no skill lines worth slotting over other stronger ones. Not to mention that the class itself will fall behind significantly in light of subclassing and nerfs. And please don’t give me the argument of “streak being an op mobility tool” it was half a decade ago.

If there were other outstanding projects like wow and bdo that offers better gameplay than ESO everyone would be playing them instead of here in the PTS section for ESO.

You don't need Arcanist at all to reach similar single target DPS using subclassing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGDa78_EM0E

My statement about PvP is that Arcanist is not meta for PvP. Combinations of classes like NB and Sorc will be the meta.

If you don’t know anything about wow and bdo then just say so or don’t answer at all rather than giving a plain stupid and impulsive response because both wow and bdo are far more popular than eso. And surely you wouldn’t seriously compare their pop to a dozen active people on eso forum? It’s honestly baffling.

As it has already been said endgame pve groups aren’t interested in dummy parsing builds because most fights in the latest content are aoe. And this trend has been solidifying for a long time already.

I never said arcanist is or will be meta in pvp, I think it’s quite clear that I only meant pve.
Assassination will indeed be the dominant skill line by far in pvp (pve too) but sorc’s skill lines fit subclassing extremely poorly. The only one thag might see use in pvp is storm calling because some players will obviously want to have streak which is either way suboptimal, needless to say.