It's amazing to me how the furnishing limits are due to technical limitations, and yet somehow if you subscribe to ESO+ those technical limitations become exactly half as much of an issue. Automagically.

I wonder: If the "ESO Plus" sub were renamed to the "ESO Standard" sub and a new "ESO Lux" tier were added (see latest season of Black Mirror), would the technical limitations become even less potent for Lux subscribers? Probably.

HumbleThaumaturge wrote: »

Pevey wrote: »

It's amazing to me how the furnishing limits are due to technical limitations, and yet somehow if you subscribe to ESO+ those technical limitations become exactly half as much of an issue. Automagically.

Don't know if it's true, but:
I've been told that the Furnishing limits are set to permit ESO houses to run without crashing on last-generation game consoles (circa 2013?). I'd love to know what the Furnishing limit might be for a min-spec PC on the PC servers. Or for current-generation consoles. I'd also love to know if some ESO elf has determined the Furnishing limit on a super-whammer-jammer computer on the PC servers. A limit of 1500 would be great; but I'd crack a smile for 1000.

Well. I can tell you this much.

In 2015, on my old PC, what would now be a "potato" I played a voxel game where the voxels were about 30cm or 12" (Technically the "voxels" are the 8 corners of a cube, but I'll use voxel to describe a cube for this conversatrion).

The game allowed for the voxels to be moved around, so you could make perfect spheres with about 11 voxels minimum. You could make any shape you really wanted to make, not much different than a 3D program. This game did not look like minecraft. Not the world, not the player creations. We could smooth voxels and do all kinds of tricks.

I had builds that were over 1.5 million voxels in size (computationally resource heavy) and I had over 1500 "props" which would work exactly like ESO furnishing items.

With that size a build, with 15 people around, lights everywhere, moving props and effects I got a solid 60 FPS on that old potato PC.

I find it hard to believe that the technical limitations we are told are....not exaggerated. I could build more, easily doubling what we have in this game with 1.5 million voxels around me, different shapes, colors, you name it with that many players in the vicinity and still maintain a solid 60 FPS on that old potato PC 10 years ago.

Also, what is really insidious about the new house is that it comes "furnished" with 150-200 tree/shrub/rock items.

I emptied my old house which had 200 limit, and the new house is already over 400. WIthout ESO+ you have to go through and essentially destroy the house's looks by removing the detail items from every planter box, and then you are still capped at 350. This house is designed to push eso+.

I previously owned a Medium House, so I don't know if its standard for a Manor sized home to ship with 150 spaces of junk. I suspect not.

ImmortalCX wrote: »

Also, what is really insidious about the new house is that it comes "furnished" with 150-200 tree/shrub/rock items.

I emptied my old house which had 200 limit, and the new house is already over 400. WIthout ESO+ you have to go through and essentially destroy the house's looks by removing the detail items from every planter box, and then you are still capped at 350. This house is designed to push eso+.

I previously owned a Medium House, so I don't know if its standard for a Manor sized home to ship with 150 spaces of junk. I suspect not.

I have seen larger unfurnished homes come with 120-ish "extra's" even for me 150 does seem high!

Ok I did a bit of digging, it appears Grand Topal Island comes with 134 items when unfurnished so I suppose 150 is not too much higher!

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Grand_Topal_Hideaway

The furnishing limit is because they're still supporting old gen Xbox One and PS4. If they dropped them the limit goes up.

HumbleThaumaturge wrote: »

Big thanks for offering a free house for a "Golden Pursuits" reward. And thanks for making it a HUGE house. However, here's an idea: As a new reward at a "Golden Pursuits" score of 35 . . . raise the "Furnishing" limit for the Grand Gallery house to 1500 items! Furnishing fans would rejoice.

I hate to be cpt buzzkill, but the limit exists for a practical reason -- performance and stability of all clients across all hardware, including the first supported generation of consoles and potato PCs.

Pevey wrote: »

It's amazing to me how the furnishing limits are due to technical limitations, and yet somehow if you subscribe to ESO+ those technical limitations become exactly half as much of an issue. Automagically.

There's no magic. The ESO+ limit is representative of the hard limit and the non-sub limit is not. At no point was it ever said the lower limit was for performance reasons.

Of course ZOS would increase the limit if they could easily do so!

Say . . . no one has commented on my suggestion to have an extra special reward for a "Golden Pursuits" score of 35. If not an increased Furnishings limit . . . how about 4 Attunable crafting stations! But seriously: Thanks for the big free house! Great reward.

Remember when ESO was DX9 and then they ditched it and went to DX11, it is about time ZOS stopped supporting the old generation of console as well, I do not see why they should be holding PC players back or why ZOS is trying to keep it the same on both systems when each system has their own advantages that the other lacks.

Just increase the furniture cap on the PC version, many of these giant player homes need more than 700 slots.

Increase it to 1000 for notable homes.

I think I can see the EP's Cyrodiil base from the back balcony.

On a side note, thank you for the house; it is lovely, nice grounds and interior. I, too, hope that technical details can be worked out soon so houses can have more decorating slots.

RagnarSw wrote: »

ImmortalCX wrote: »

HumbleThaumaturge wrote: »

Pevey wrote: »

It's amazing to me how the furnishing limits are due to technical limitations, and yet somehow if you subscribe to ESO+ those technical limitations become exactly half as much of an issue. Automagically.

Don't know if it's true, but:
I've been told that the Furnishing limits are set to permit ESO houses to run without crashing on last-generation game consoles (circa 2013?). I'd love to know what the Furnishing limit might be for a min-spec PC on the PC servers. Or for current-generation consoles. I'd also love to know if some ESO elf has determined the Furnishing limit on a super-whammer-jammer computer on the PC servers. A limit of 1500 would be great; but I'd crack a smile for 1000.

I know that a couple days ago, I was doing the alikr desert dolmen loop with a 14900K and 7900xtx and even with 100ish players the computer didn't blink and was capped at 100fps 4k resolution.

Yet OTH, ppl say that it lags out in Cyrodil when there are more than 10 ppl on screen.

I have a feeling that with a current gaming pc, the limit could be thousands of items and not be a problem.

My feeling is the issue is and has always been the engine. They use the consoles as a scapegoat because they feel it is the easy way out. LOD has always been a thing. Like you I have a stronger PC that can run this game at 4K@100+ at max settings. The issue is even with that powerful of a PC I notice certain items have display issues. I have 4 of the celestial clouds for instance. If I set all 4 out, 90% of the time only 2 or 3 will render. This holds true even if I put this game at a lower resolution and almost minimal settings. I know a lot of people ask to discontinue support of older consoles, but I really don't think this would help. I feel the best solution is maybe allowing the redistribution of furnishing slots. Like I don't use 55/110 collectible slots. Maybe allow us to use traditional instead for those slots. Or maybe substitute 10 collectible slots so I can get one more mount/houseguest/pet in my house. But even an idea like that may find a limitation due to the engine.

I literally just said this in another thread before I saw your post, getting rid of the categories would be a great starting point imo!!

i wish games would stop pushing fomo events while im still trying to play oblivion

Pevey wrote: »

It's amazing to me how the furnishing limits are due to technical limitations, and yet somehow if you subscribe to ESO+ those technical limitations become exactly half as much of an issue. Automagically.

I wonder: If the "ESO Plus" sub were renamed to the "ESO Standard" sub and a new "ESO Lux" tier were added (see latest season of Black Mirror), would the technical limitations become even less potent for Lux subscribers? Probably.

The limitations are for ESO+ and without you get half. You looked at it backwards. That aside I'm thinking if ZoS could increase the limits they would. The players into housing that I know spend a lot of money for their homes. If they had more slots available to them they would most likely spend more. ZoS has got to know this yet still haven't increased the limit. So we can probably safely assume a technical issue is preventing the increase.

I want a pizza oven

barney2525 wrote: »

I want a pizza oven

I just want that Redguard Oven furnishing that was in what, U41?