Battlegrounds: Cycle of Self-Destruction

Moonspawn · April 30

Haki_7 wrote: »

@Moonspawn can you balance this one even without the dmg and healing?

I can try

AngryNecro · May 1

Veinblood1965 wrote: »

Spot on. I recently started running BG's to get the mount(usually just do Cyrodiil or IC) and once I obtained the mount I haven't ran one since. Why, you ask? I didn't do grouped BG's so 99% of the time I was on the side that won by a landside or the other side. Once in a blue moon it was a close match. Boring and a huge waste of time. From a new person's perspective to BG's it did NOT entice me to stay and further progress to joining a pre-made group.

I was not playing Bg's when there were three teams, I can see the strategy to that. There would have been more options to win once behind.

Why do you need that riding animal? You are clearly not attracted to BG.
for the sake of experiment, let's conduct a survey of a player who ended up on BG because of the desire to receive rewards.
- Have you prepared a pvp build, or even better, a special build for BG?
- Did you play as a hiller or a tank?

By the way, I'm wondering how two-sided battles should end if not with the victory of one of the sides? xD

AngryNecro · May 1

I don't understand why players who position themselves as good pvp players complain about lopsided battles.

here we have a screenshot of a very competitive match. An almost equal score, the end of the match in time, and a similar number of kills /deaths.
A secret? being the only one 1vsX player on the map, I just walked away from my team. I took only those flags that did not have my team on them, the rest of the time I stood near the enemy's spawn zone (without firing at it) and engaged in battle only with those who started running at me, always taking the 4th player so that the team would fight with three.
could this match have ended in 2 minutes? yes of course. But I don't like sharing murders xD
So if you are the coolest player in the round, then how the fight goes is completely in your hands.
By the way, I saw at least two players from the enemy team in the following days, so despite the brutal dominance from one player near spawn, and also from a necromancer, none of them abandoned bg.

The unique ones who only after seeing the noobs start to take it out on them for all the insults, and then complain about one-sided matches, I don't understand you at all.

AngryNecro · May 1

AngryNecro wrote: »

by the way. on that screen you can see how more coward sorc is xD they fought with me the least and naturally ran away the most. And only they fired from the spawn zone, DK and temp always joined the battle. I do not know sorc choose only full cowards or they become cowards when they start playing for this class. But it's impossible not to notice the rat-like behavior of everyone who plays in this class. shot from spawn zone, Stealing your murders through execution, strik with cc, alwayse runing from fight, aim blook from stuped zoo all it sorc and nothing more. if I ever ruin matches, it's only when my team has sorc. if you absolutley bad in pvp wellcome to that noob class.

Haki_7 · May 1

Destruction of Battlegrounds Chapter 75: Waiting 29 minutes for a lopsided match (Solo 8v8 PC/NA)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1bzdKHZf5o

MightyBelarus · May 1

The new bg is just terrible, especially 4vs4, and on consoles on some servers people do not register 8vs8 at all, I really want to return a 4vs4vs4 mode.

MightyBelarus · May 1

Here is the proof that there is no online on 8vs8 on Xbox EU.

The first screen was made on the last PVP weekend. 26 minutes in the queue...

The second screen shows what we have every day. 42 minutes in the queue... and nothing happened in the end.

When we had 4vs4vs4 we didn't have any problem with the queue.

AngryNecro · May 1

MightyBelarus wrote: »

The new bg is just terrible, especially 4vs4, and on consoles on some servers people do not register 8vs8 at all, I really want to return a 4vs4vs4 mode.

and what is the fault of other servers? Everything is fine on the pc/eu servers. 4х4 5 max 10 min for first fight and 1-2 min to next one.
So its x-box problem not game mode.

MightyBelarus · May 1

AngryNecro wrote: »

MightyBelarus wrote: »

The new bg is just terrible, especially 4vs4, and on consoles on some servers people do not register 8vs8 at all, I really want to return a 4vs4vs4 mode.

and what is the fault of other servers? Everything is fine on the pc/eu servers. 4х4 5 max 10 min for first fight and 1-2 min to next one.
So its x-box problem not game mode.

I just want to bring the problem to ZOS and to think about it that their the innovations do not work for us, as before with 4vs4vs4 had no problems, to leave everything as it is also not an option. Sorry, I spent enough money and time on that game and just want to continue to play BGs.

MightyBelarus · May 1

AngryNecro wrote: »

MightyBelarus wrote: »

The new bg is just terrible, especially 4vs4, and on consoles on some servers people do not register 8vs8 at all, I really want to return a 4vs4vs4 mode.

and what is the fault of other servers? Everything is fine on the pc/eu servers. 4х4 5 max 10 min for first fight and 1-2 min to next one.
So its x-box problem not game mode.

and if you look through this topic carefully, you will see that the problem is not only on our platform, I am glad that everything is fine on PC EU, let it stay, but I also want a comfortable game like it was earlier.

AngryNecro · May 1

MightyBelarus wrote: »

and if you look through this topic carefully, you will see that the problem is not only on our platform, I am glad that everything is fine on PC EU, let it stay, but I also want a comfortable game like it was earlier.[/quote]

yap too many negative come from NA server. they talk about line waiting with time what i never see, they hate many set, whant win button and els xD EU server have more strong playrs i think xD most negative whats PCNA players write has no valid arguments.

Moonspawn · May 1

@AngryNecro Is there anything that you dislike about 3-sided BGs that is not on this list?

1) Having to worry about the possibility of being sandwiched (because of the third team).
2) Not allowing the objective to get done uncontested (by the third team).
3) Being forced to deal with killstealing (because of the third team).
4) Identifying an impossible victory and helping your teammates achieve second place.
5) Learning about positioning, target selection, teamwork and decision-making from the unique challenges of the 3-sided format.
6) Playing against opponents who apply what they learn from all of the above.

AngryNecro · May 1

It seems to me that the main problem is that most people don't take BG seriously. And if you want interesting matches, then you need to prepare for BG (and els pvp) like for vet trial. cose BG is more dificalt then all vet and hm trial content and i dont understand why 90% playrse come to BG in crap bild. well much less training materials and mentoring. But still, the attitude of the players as if they were going to a normal dungeon is a problem.
On new acc I spent exactly one week preparing the top build starting from level 3. These are two sets (one dlc dungeon), a mythic and a monster set. There is nothing difficult in preparing well for the BG.

AngryNecro · May 1

Moonspawn wrote: »

@AngryNecro Is there anything that you dislike about 3-sided BGs that is not on this list?

1) Having to worry about the possibility of being sandwiched (because of the third team).
2) Not allowing the objective to get done uncontested (by the third team).
3) Being forced to deal with killstealing (because of the third team).
4) Identifying an impossible victory and helping your teammates achieve second place.
5) Learning about positioning, target selection, teamwork and decision-making from the unique challenges of the 3-sided format.
6) Facing off against players who apply what they learn from all of the above.

there can be no question of any competitive mode with a third party. If you want three-way chaos, change your unsuccessful 8x8. I don't understand why everyone who wants prizes for second place wants to change 4x4s.
A three-way match is a return to random pvp unrelated to the competition. There are already a bunch of different places for this.
The only change in the number of participants and teams that I agree to is the reduction of players to 3x3.

Moonspawn · May 1

AngryNecro wrote: »

Moonspawn wrote: »

@AngryNecro Is there anything that you dislike about 3-sided BGs that is not on this list?

1) Having to worry about the possibility of being sandwiched (because of the third team).
2) Not allowing the objective to get done uncontested (by the third team).
3) Being forced to deal with killstealing (because of the third team).
4) Identifying an impossible victory and helping your teammates achieve second place.
5) Learning about positioning, target selection, teamwork and decision-making from the unique challenges of the 3-sided format.
6) Facing off against players who apply what they learn from all of the above.

there can be no question of any competitive mode with a third party. If you want three-way chaos, change your unsuccessful 8x8. I don't understand why everyone who wants prizes for second place wants to change 4x4s.
A three-way match is a return to random pvp unrelated to the competition. There are already a bunch of different places for this.
The only change in the number of participants and teams that I agree to is the reduction of players to 3x3.

So the list is not missing anything?

AngryNecro · May 1

Moonspawn wrote: »

AngryNecro wrote: »

Moonspawn wrote: »

@AngryNecro Is there anything that you dislike about 3-sided BGs that is not on this list?

1) Having to worry about the possibility of being sandwiched (because of the third team).
2) Not allowing the objective to get done uncontested (by the third team).
3) Being forced to deal with killstealing (because of the third team).
4) Identifying an impossible victory and helping your teammates achieve second place.
5) Learning about positioning, target selection, teamwork and decision-making from the unique challenges of the 3-sided format.
6) Facing off against players who apply what they learn from all of the above.

there can be no question of any competitive mode with a third party. If you want three-way chaos, change your unsuccessful 8x8. I don't understand why everyone who wants prizes for second place wants to change 4x4s.
A three-way match is a return to random pvp unrelated to the competition. There are already a bunch of different places for this.
The only change in the number of participants and teams that I agree to is the reduction of players to 3x3.

So the list is not missing anything?

The list is infantile-manipulative, with unnecessary items. The competitive mode cannot include a third team, there is nothing to argue about.

Moonspawn · May 1

AngryNecro wrote: »

Moonspawn wrote: »

AngryNecro wrote: »

Moonspawn wrote: »

@AngryNecro Is there anything that you dislike about 3-sided BGs that is not on this list?

1) Having to worry about the possibility of being sandwiched (because of the third team).
2) Not allowing the objective to get done uncontested (by the third team).
3) Being forced to deal with killstealing (because of the third team).
4) Identifying an impossible victory and helping your teammates achieve second place.
5) Learning about positioning, target selection, teamwork and decision-making from the unique challenges of the 3-sided format.
6) Facing off against players who apply what they learn from all of the above.

there can be no question of any competitive mode with a third party. If you want three-way chaos, change your unsuccessful 8x8. I don't understand why everyone who wants prizes for second place wants to change 4x4s.
A three-way match is a return to random pvp unrelated to the competition. There are already a bunch of different places for this.
The only change in the number of participants and teams that I agree to is the reduction of players to 3x3.

So the list is not missing anything?

The list is infantile-manipulative, with unnecessary items. The competitive mode cannot include a third team, there is nothing to argue about.

Can you elaborate? I'm just trying to complete the list of challenges that only existed in 3-sided. Any help would be appreciated.

Moonspawn · May 1

xylena_lazarow wrote: »

Haki_7 wrote: »

I thought you already knew the answer

No I don't know. Stop dodging. Let's try again. Does this look fun to you?

It can't be done properly without the damage and healing.

DigiAngel · May 2

Porting into an already going 4x4 deathmatch shouldn't be a thing. Once it starts, that should be it...being a replacement in an already losing match is ridiculous ZOS...do a LOT better and fix it.

MightyBelarus · May 2

Just take a look at the new gold pursuits. There is only one PVP task, a very sad picture.

PVP? Give us more PVE activity and we'll bring even more chaos to the balance this summer(subclas).

Haki_7 · May 2

Three-teams BGs: Endless possibilities

Two-teams BGs: Lopsided snoozefest 😪

Markytous · May 2

ESO Battlegrounds weren't killed, they were MURDERED

Jierdanit · May 2

Haki_7 wrote: »

Three-teams BGs: Endless possibilities

Two-teams BGs: Lopsided snoozefest 😪

Its very telling that you say "endless possibilities" and still used the same video as an example like 10 times.

RealLoveBVB · May 3

Xylena, when I check your screenshots, then I notice, that the mmr doesn't work for you for some reason.

If you replace your spot with a player of the niveau of everyone else in that match, then you would have a perfectly balanced match.

I think if your mmr would work and you get matched into battles with players on your skill-level, then you would also have balanced matches.

But veterans seems to be a dying species, so you always get matched with cuties

Moonspawn · May 3

Jierdanit wrote: »

Its very telling that you say "endless possibilities" and still used the same video as an example like 10 times.

@Jierdanit Is it possible that what you actually dislike about 3-sided is just the second item, instead of every single one of them?

1) Having to worry about the possibility of being sandwiched.
2) Not allowing the third team to secure the objective uncontested.
3) Being forced to deal with kill-stealing (because of the third team).
4) Identifying an impossible victory and helping your teammates achieve second place (incentive to keep fighting until the very end).
5) Learning about positioning, target selection, teamwork and decision-making from the unique challenges of the 3-sided format.
6) Playing against opponents who apply what they've learned from all of the above.

AngryNecro · May 3

Moonspawn wrote: »

Jierdanit wrote: »

Its very telling that you say "endless possibilities" and still used the same video as an example like 10 times.

@Jierdanit Is it possible that what you actually dislike about 3-sided is just the second item, instead of every single one of them?

1) Having to worry about the possibility of being sandwiched.
2) Not allowing the third team to secure the objective uncontested.
3) Being forced to deal with kill-stealing (because of the third team).
4) Recognizing when victory is impossible and helping your team secure second place (incentive to keep fighting until the very end).
5) Learning about positioning, target selection, teamwork and decision-making from the unique challenges of the 3-sided format.
6) Playing against opponents who apply what they've learned from all of the above.

lol

Haki_7 · May 3

Destruction of Battlegrounds Chapter 76: Waiting 25 minutes for a lopsided match (Solo 8v8 PC/NA)

https://youtu.be/eAxp8fVOlgA

Desiato · May 4

I've been grinding battlegrounds the past couple of days to level alliance war skill lines and it's _TERRIBLE_.

ZOS: Here's how you know you've failed. Most combat happens under respawn areas -- something pretty much every other PVP dev on this planet knows should be avoided.

On top of that, I currently feel extreme resentment for having to endure chaosball which could be accurately renamed chaospam. Please let us choose the modes we wish to queue for. How is this not an optional already?

MightyBelarus · May 4

The more I see messages, I realize that a small number of players like 4vs4, and there is no response from ZOS....
[snip]
[edited for inappropriate content]

MightyBelarus · May 4

Haki_7 wrote: »

Destruction of Battlegrounds Chapter 76: Waiting 25 minutes for a lopsided match (Solo 8v8 PC/NA)

https://youtu.be/eAxp8fVOlgA

it's terrible (I really understand you