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regarding tanlorin
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I think she should make sobriety her new best friend forever. after she stops pickling her internal organs and dries them off a bit she might find she has a differing perspective on a great many things. All that abuse she certainly suffered at the hand of the parents is surely the source of her woes but she exacerbates her problems with excessive wine and sex.
Also while i only have 1700 ish rapport points and i dont know her full story as i havent read up on the quests and the outcomes i'm gonna guess tanlorin is the traitor, albeit unwittingly or otherwise. She's the most likely one and besides her there's wisteria or there could be someone unnamed but my money is on tanlorin.
Edited by ZOS_Kraken on April 30, 2025 3:23PM Also while i only have 1700 ish rapport points and i dont know her full story as i havent read up on the quests and the outcomes i'm gonna guess tanlorin is the traitor, albeit unwittingly or otherwise. She's the most likely one and besides her there's wisteria or there could be someone unnamed but my money is on tanlorin.
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phantasmalD✭✭✭✭✭The Garland Ring needed a couple more filler characters, like 5-6, to actually make the quest line fun, tense and interesting.
Having only 4 suspects made it super flat, made it too obvious who the villain was.3 -
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✭said no one ever wrote: »
The cool thing is, character would demand recognizing others as they wish to be seen—even when it’s inconvenient, even when no one’s forcing you. That’s what makes it character, not performance. Strange how often the loudest lectures on “realness” collapse the moment basic decency is expected.4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭sans-culottes wrote: »The cool thing is, character would demand recognizing others as they wish to be seen—even when it’s inconvenient, even when no one’s forcing you.
A serious question out of curiosity: Where to draw the line? Could anybody just demand being seen and treated as anything? Actual trans people are not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about people who are not, since everyone can claim anything.@Syldras | PC | EU
The forceful expression of will gives true honor to the Ancestors.
Sarayn Andrethi, Telvanni mage (Main)
Darvasa Andrethi, his "I'm NOT a Necromancer!" sister
Malacar Sunavarlas, Altmer Ayleid vampire
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said no one ever✭✭✭✭sans-culottes wrote: »said no one ever wrote: »
The cool thing is, character would demand recognizing others as they wish to be seen—even when it’s inconvenient, even when no one’s forcing you. That’s what makes it character, not performance. Strange how often the loudest lectures on “realness” collapse the moment basic decency is expected.
tanlorin is n ot an actual person and has no feelings, real or imagined.17 -
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✭Funny how the worry is always about “where to draw the line” only ever seems to surface when someone asks for basic respect. No one’s demanding you abandon reason—just that you extend the same courtesy you’d expect for yourself. The idea that someone might falsely ask for recognition doesn’t justify treating everyone with suspicion. That’s not discernment. It’s just cowardice dressed up as principle.
And as for the claim that Tanlorin “isn’t a real person,” that’s just evasion. You saw something in them that unsettled you, so you reached for mockery. Let’s not pretend this is about fiction. It’s about how quickly some people show their hand the moment decency becomes even slightly inconvenient.7 -
said no one ever✭✭✭✭sans-culottes wrote: »Funny how the worry is always about “where to draw the line” only ever seems to surface when someone asks for basic respect. No one’s demanding you abandon reason—just that you extend the same courtesy you’d expect for yourself. The idea that someone might falsely ask for recognition doesn’t justify treating everyone with suspicion. That’s not discernment. It’s just cowardice dressed up as principle.
And as for the claim that Tanlorin “isn’t a real person,” that’s just evasion. You saw something in them that unsettled you, so you reached for mockery. Let’s not pretend this is about fiction. It’s about how quickly some people show their hand the moment decency becomes even slightly inconvenient.
the only thing that unsettles me about the fictitious character tanlorin is her drunken revelry and copious sexual acting out, neither of which is healthy.13 -
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✭✭✭✭✭sans-culottes wrote: »Funny how the worry is always about “where to draw the line” only ever seems to surface when someone asks for basic respect. No one’s demanding you abandon reason—just that you extend the same courtesy you’d expect for yourself. The idea that someone might falsely ask for recognition doesn’t justify treating everyone with suspicion. That’s not discernment. It’s just cowardice dressed up as principle.
Where did I write that? Do you know the question often comes up also in circles of trans people? That there is concern about ill-intentioned people posing as trans and ruining the reputation of everyone else, of people actually concerned who can't just give up who they are when things are ruined? The "oh, let everybody just do what they want" party is over, the mood has shifted, the need to discern has surfaced. By claiming this was bigotry, a vulnerable demography is harmed even more, by people who probably think they're "well-meaning".
Edited by Syldras on April 30, 2025 2:56PM@Syldras | PC | EU
The forceful expression of will gives true honor to the Ancestors.
Sarayn Andrethi, Telvanni mage (Main)
Darvasa Andrethi, his "I'm NOT a Necromancer!" sister
Malacar Sunavarlas, Altmer Ayleid vampire
Soris Rethandus, a Sleeper not yet awake6 -
said no one ever✭✭✭✭If we want to be morally outraged over something why not choose the fact that the only so called representative trans person in the game is depicted as a drunk wo sleeps around with most others. That's gotta be offensive to those who identify as trans esp any who don't act like that. Or is it your assertion that people identifying as trans can't be moral persons?Edited by said no one ever on April 30, 2025 2:55PM12
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mdjessup4906✭✭✭✭✭Tbf if i hadn't spoiled myself with reading up on the companions, I would have thought tailorin was a "she" as well. Both the voice and body model appear female. Even the quest (what I've done of it anyway) don't really mention it. Which is realistic imo, who randomly tells people out of the blue unless a mistake is made?5
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said no one ever✭✭✭✭mdjessup4906 wrote: »Tbf if i hadn't spoiled myself with reading up on the companions, I would have thought tailorin was a "she" as well. Both the voice and body model appear female. Even the quest (what I've done of it anyway) don't really mention it. Which is realistic imo, who randomly tells people out of the blue unless a mistake is made?
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✭✭✭✭✭said no one ever wrote: »in my limited experience, those identifying as trans are all about letting everyone know they identify as trans
No, a transsexual person in the old-fashioned sense of the word will not talk about it, but just get their body fixed so it fits their sense of self, and then live a normal life. I know a few trans people closely and the most impolite and horrible thing you could do would be reminding them of their physical ailment.
Edited by Syldras on April 30, 2025 3:00PM@Syldras | PC | EU
The forceful expression of will gives true honor to the Ancestors.
Sarayn Andrethi, Telvanni mage (Main)
Darvasa Andrethi, his "I'm NOT a Necromancer!" sister
Malacar Sunavarlas, Altmer Ayleid vampire
Soris Rethandus, a Sleeper not yet awake5 -
said no one ever✭✭✭✭said no one ever wrote: »in my limited experience, those identifying as trans are all about letting everyone know they identify as trans
No, a transsexual person in the old-fashioned sense of the word will not talk about it, but just get their body fixed so it fits their sense of self, and then live a normal life.
would that not then be a person not identifying as trans but someone identifying as their preferred sex? there is just such a disctinction to be made here isnt there?0 -
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✭✭said no one ever wrote: »sans-culottes wrote: »Funny how the worry is always about “where to draw the line” only ever seems to surface when someone asks for basic respect. No one’s demanding you abandon reason—just that you extend the same courtesy you’d expect for yourself. The idea that someone might falsely ask for recognition doesn’t justify treating everyone with suspicion. That’s not discernment. It’s just cowardice dressed up as principle.
And as for the claim that Tanlorin “isn’t a real person,” that’s just evasion. You saw something in them that unsettled you, so you reached for mockery. Let’s not pretend this is about fiction. It’s about how quickly some people show their hand the moment decency becomes even slightly inconvenient.
the only thing that unsettles me about the fictitious character tanlorin is her drunken revelry and copious sexual acting out, neither of which is healthy.
I loath Tanlorin as a character for many reasons but that is actually the most realistic part of her character being an abuse or trauma survivor.2 -
said no one ever✭✭✭✭Ragnarok0130 wrote: »said no one ever wrote: »sans-culottes wrote: »Funny how the worry is always about “where to draw the line” only ever seems to surface when someone asks for basic respect. No one’s demanding you abandon reason—just that you extend the same courtesy you’d expect for yourself. The idea that someone might falsely ask for recognition doesn’t justify treating everyone with suspicion. That’s not discernment. It’s just cowardice dressed up as principle.
And as for the claim that Tanlorin “isn’t a real person,” that’s just evasion. You saw something in them that unsettled you, so you reached for mockery. Let’s not pretend this is about fiction. It’s about how quickly some people show their hand the moment decency becomes even slightly inconvenient.
the only thing that unsettles me about the fictitious character tanlorin is her drunken revelry and copious sexual acting out, neither of which is healthy.
I loath Tanlorin as a character for many reasons but that is actually the most realistic part of her character being an abuse or trauma survivor.
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✭What’s most revealing here is not Tanlorin’s behavior, but the rush to reduce them to a moral warning. A trans character appears with flaws, desires, and complexity, and suddenly the concern is about excess. Drunkenness and sexuality are not condemned when written into straight characters. They are read as edgy, tragic, even romantic. But when the same qualities appear in a trans character, it becomes pathology.
This selective outrage says more about the anxieties of the commentators than it does about Tanlorin. When someone demands that a trans character must be restrained, reserved, and self-effacing in order to be acceptable, they are not calling for realism. They are calling for erasure. And cloaking that call in the language of “character” and “health” only makes the intent more transparent.6 -
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