Or... players need to make a CHOICE... which seems to be part of the subclassing. You shouldn't get ALL benefits if you subclass.

ADarklore wrote: »

Or... players need to make a CHOICE... which seems to be part of the subclassing. You shouldn't get ALL benefits if you subclass.

I would be fine with that, provided that each class Mastery gets changed to buff a specific skill line within the default class, so that it too would be considered as "can't" change if you want to keep it's benefit.

Honestly, I'd be fine with having that sort of requirement in all classes so there is some actual buff for those who keep two or three base skill lines and effectively specialise. It might be a way to have the pure classes actually keep up with the subclass characters. Something that should have been a foundation for the subclassing system, so that it is genuinely just an option and players didn't have to worry that the likes of PvP and vet trials are going to be off limits unless they re-build their characters.

Marto wrote: »

This one is going to be pretty tricky to patch out.

I think the current version is pretty balanced and reinforces the Templar class identity as a "stand your ground and fight" class, with their relatively low movement speed, high resistance, and lots of healing.

On the other hand, as other users are saying, it's a compromise. You may consider Restoring Light to be a weak skill line and want to get rid of it, but it comes with a pretty strong class script.

So you have to weight the pros and cons. There's always going to be pros and cons to any skill line swap.

If Templar is the "stand your ground" Class, then just give the bonus 50% when not moving. That way even a Werewolf Grimoire could make use of the Class Mastery, as it would remove the explicit need for Class abilities while still keeping the general theme of Templar intact.

Marto wrote: »

Erickson9610 wrote: »

If Templar is the "stand your ground" Class, then just give the bonus 50% when not moving. That way even a Werewolf Grimoire could make use of the Class Mastery, as it would remove the explicit need for Class abilities while still keeping the general theme of Templar intact.

That's how it worked in early PTS versions, but it kinda sucked because there's so many fights in the game (PVE and PVP) that require you to move one or two feet to the side. To avoid red, to step into a puzzle, to walk up the steps of a small ledge, to position where your tank wants you, etc.

The current version is much, much better. Even if it results in a dependency on Restoring Light.

Restoring Light is a so-so skill line to begin with, so giving it an indirect buff by enabling the class script is pretty fair IMO.

I'd rather the +50% just be baked into the WD/SD and Armor without any additional condition to proc it, if Templar's theme of being the "stand your ground" Class is unfavorable in most content.

Templar's Class Mastery should not be used as a reason to justify keeping certain Class skill lines in light of Subclassing. We need fewer restrictions, not more of them.

Simple suggestion?

Change the class mastery requirement to something like:
"While under the effect of a self applied Templar skill"?

Biting jabs, focused charge + morphs, sun shield + morphs, sun flare + morphs, solar flare + morphs, and living dark all apply some sort of effect on the caster that could be used to proc the class mastery without relying on restoring light.

ok so i will fix it for you:


For 5 seconds, you gain 1320 Armor and 150 Weapon and Spell Damage.


there you go. all fixed up

While we are discussing this, I've a question. Apologies in advance for the confisusion but I'm not sure I understood how the class mastery buffs works when attached to a scribed skill. If I attach a script to the skill in order to appy the effect also to my group (the description says "the effect will also apply to your group") this does not seem to be the case with Templar's class mastery scripts. I tested it with my Templar healer. I put restoring focus or cleansing ritual on the ground, and then used the scribed skill in order to trigger the class mastery script. I was the only one getting the buff, none of my teammates was getting the effect despite they standing inside the area and the skill saying that the effect should also apply to my group. So how does the class mastery script work on that regard? Are my teammates gaining their own class mastery buffs, or the description is misleading because the group effect cannot be applied to class mastery? Or is it just a bug? Because based on my testing and observations, looks like my teammates weren't getting any buff at all.

Thanks, I was not aware of this. May be the in-game tooltip could say this explicitly?