Nuking DK sustain is going to hurt solo players quite a bit. Magma Shell no longer allows Ultimate Gain, which is also hurting the solo DK player when doing difficult content. Get it was causing problems in IA, but there is more to the game than IA. 

At least drop the cost to 125-150 ultimate from 200 to compensate DK some for the loss in power. As it stands, if the changes go live, why would any player choose Magma Shell over Corrosive Armor? All you did was kill one morph to never being used again by anyone. 

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The ardent flame reductions to sustain might be on the high side. DK was already the character I have had the most challenge with sustain on even while leaning into the abilities. Very normal/fun to run a mix of magic and stamina abilities for a stamina dk and the recovery has always been kinda fragile for me.

Don't have an issue with some reduction here but the scale of it 'feels' high.

Context on my setup:

@ZOS_Kevin please don't forget about werewolf quality of life changes, it's bring your dog to work day 😁

did some testing on dk today and post nerfs things feel bad on it, zero reason to play a dk or sub class into it

Yeah plus seething fury in the ardent skill line.

Turtle_Bot wrote: »

katorga wrote: »

SkaraMinoc wrote: »

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From a balance perspective, I don't think subclassing is a good thing while heals like Polar Wind exist.

All you really need now is

- Winter's Embrace for Polar Wind
- Assassination for Damage
- pick any 3rd skill line to fill in gaps in your build (sustain, utility, mitigation, etc)

You will be surprised how powerful charged frost staff la/crushing spam into Merciless is with threads of war and draugrkin.

Maybe stormcalling for mobility and more heals. Or templar for ranged stun and burning light.

This is exactly why I have been theory crafting and working on a reliable tank build for PvP. The double spec bow is going to be stupidly oppressive if it makes it to live, especially being combined with shulks (major + minor breach on an AoE delayed burst) so I'm looking into ways to mitigate that and just be a general pita to those sorts of builds that will be everywhere.

I don't want to get close enough to use Shalks, lol.

On plus side Winter's Embrace which enables chilled status to be impactful also includes projectile protection. Winter's embrace and threads of war makes frost light attacks worse than pre-nerf way of fire or savage werewolf. Assassination line gives you the kill shot and free offensive stats to make it all work.

Toss on winterborn, draugrkin, or dragon's appetite for icing on the cake (warden has ranged bleed or the bleed version of wield soul will trigger Dragon's now).

Thank you for making the Expert Summoner work for non-pet builds. I have to admit that I'd still prefer it if players would get all three resource boosts by slotting a Daedric Summoning skill on their bar or something though, as opposed to needing to have a Daedric Summoning skill active to get the Max Health boost. It just seems a tad strange to have 1/3rd of the passive have that restriction. As for more feedback on the current balance:

Please bring underperforming Skill Lines up to par
It's obvious that some skill lines outperform others - when it comes to maximising DPS at least. I truly hope that those other skill lines will receive buffs/changes to bring them up to par a bit, which could increase build diversity and might also lessen the gap between pure classes and subclassed setups (seeing as the latter are still limited to just three skill lines).

Some pretty iconic abilities, such as the Sorcerer's Crystal Fragments, the DK's Burning Talons and the Templar's Radiant Destruction are currently in skill lines that don't have really great passives and/or other skills that warrant subclassing into them, for example, which is too bad in my opinion.

Two examples of Dawn's Wrath passives that could maybe use a buff/rework

• Enduring Rays: I think that a passive that increases the duration of some skills by 2 seconds isn't really impactful. Vampire's Bane lasts 32 seconds instead of 30? That's nice - but I imagine that a lot of players would rather have 8.8% extra Critical Chance when flanking an opponent, 20% extra Critical Chance against opponents under 33% health or 3271 Offensive Penetration whenever a Dawn's Wrath ability is active, for example.
• Illuminate: While the groupwide Minor Sorcery is of course nice, I think that it would be great for the skill line if it gave a good buff to the player as well, just like the DK's Burning Heart and the Nightblade's Hemorrhage passives grant the player a buff alongside a unique groupwide Minor buff.

Speaking of Dawn's Wrath - could the new duration of Radiant Destruction please be shortened to 2.8 seconds or 1.8 seconds? The new duration might mess with certain sets and passives that depend on Light Attack weaving a bit, such as the Hawk Eye passive, Relequen and Grave Inevitability.

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Arctic Blast has to lose its 6m radius clearance condition for the heal. It literally makes the skill obsolete in PvP and PvE as a heal. The skill had already been nerfed outside of this change in the prior patches (despite nobody in the community complaining about it).

If you aren't going to make it a useful heal then I suggest ridding the heal altogether and adding a different effect to the skill.

yeah i agree at this point. to be honest, if they dropped the heal off the skill and buffed the tick damage a bit to compensate that'd be nice.

Dreadwar wrote: »

Dragonknight
Petrify (& Morphs): Could we restore the range of this skil back to 15m?

if they can do the same to nb fear. NB fear back to 8 meters or 10 whatever it used to be.

I just want flame staff back tbh

sans-culottes wrote: »

randconfig wrote: »

Alaztor91 wrote: »

Can Blighted Blastbones receive this treatment please?

Blighted Blastbones can be:
-CCed after spawning and if the CC is long enough, be completely disabled until the skill becomes available to use again(the game won't allow you to recast the skill if the Skeleton is still ''active'', even if it is stuck in a CC which it can't break), thus ''wasting the skill cast''
-Affected by Silence Ground AoEs(and end up completely disabled until the AoE ends or BB timer runs out), even though it is a ''Stamina Skill'' and even if casted outside the AoE effect. I assume this happens because the Skeleton is treated as an NPC and is Stunned instead of Silenced(BB can't use break free)
-Unable to reach the target under certain conditions like for example if the target teleports to an unreachable location(Sarydil in Coral Aerie), or the target ''phases out''(Darkshard in Bedlam Veil). The main issue with this is that unlike most skills that would simply ''fail'' in this scenario, the Skeleton will just stay there doing nothing until the duration of the skill runs out and most of the time won't attempt to pick a new target.

Changing this skill into a ''visual effect that completes the attack'' similar to something like Scorch from Wardens would imo greatly improve the skill and make its usage in combat scenarios smoother and more reliable. There is no scenario in where this particular skill being a ''summoned entity with AI'' ends up being better than a ''visual effect that completes the attack'' gameplay wise.

I don't like this suggestion; blastbones is a pet and is useful in PvP as a way to intercept enemy attacks, your suggested change would make it not a pet and not block any attacks in PvP.

Calling this a “pet” has always been a bit of a stretch of the term. It lasts for a few seconds. Why even bother?

Your constantly recasting it, and kiting around it absorbing damage, and then 3 seconds later you have another one.

If you have cmx and see your damage output to a necro, you will see like 30 instances of blastbones. It's absorbing damage.

It's actually cheesey when used right.

sans-culottes wrote: »

FoJul wrote: »

sans-culottes wrote: »

randconfig wrote: »

Alaztor91 wrote: »

Can Blighted Blastbones receive this treatment please?

Blighted Blastbones can be:
-CCed after spawning and if the CC is long enough, be completely disabled until the skill becomes available to use again(the game won't allow you to recast the skill if the Skeleton is still ''active'', even if it is stuck in a CC which it can't break), thus ''wasting the skill cast''
-Affected by Silence Ground AoEs(and end up completely disabled until the AoE ends or BB timer runs out), even though it is a ''Stamina Skill'' and even if casted outside the AoE effect. I assume this happens because the Skeleton is treated as an NPC and is Stunned instead of Silenced(BB can't use break free)
-Unable to reach the target under certain conditions like for example if the target teleports to an unreachable location(Sarydil in Coral Aerie), or the target ''phases out''(Darkshard in Bedlam Veil). The main issue with this is that unlike most skills that would simply ''fail'' in this scenario, the Skeleton will just stay there doing nothing until the duration of the skill runs out and most of the time won't attempt to pick a new target.

Changing this skill into a ''visual effect that completes the attack'' similar to something like Scorch from Wardens would imo greatly improve the skill and make its usage in combat scenarios smoother and more reliable. There is no scenario in where this particular skill being a ''summoned entity with AI'' ends up being better than a ''visual effect that completes the attack'' gameplay wise.

I don't like this suggestion; blastbones is a pet and is useful in PvP as a way to intercept enemy attacks, your suggested change would make it not a pet and not block any attacks in PvP.

Calling this a “pet” has always been a bit of a stretch of the term. It lasts for a few seconds. Why even bother?

Your constantly recasting it, and kiting around it absorbing damage, and then 3 seconds later you have another one.

If you have cmx and see your damage output to a necro, you will see like 30 instances of blastbones. It's absorbing damage.

It's actually cheesey when used right.

I think you may have misunderstood the point I was making. I’m not denying that mechanically Blastbones is classified as a pet or that it can serve as a damage sponge. My comment was aimed at how un-petlike the implementation feels in practice—short-lived, uncontrollable, and without persistent presence. That’s quite different from, say, a Sorcerer’s summons or a Warden’s bear, which feel more like actual companions.

In that context, I was questioning the usefulness of calling it a “pet” in terms of player experience and design coherence, not disputing the damage output or interaction with combat metrics.

I mean, in most lore necromancers summon dead Companions to do their bidding. Blastbones is exactly that. They had to do something to make it useful. For a burst ability, I can't really think of any better way of making a necromancer burst ability that keeps the theme of necromancy. The only other thing i can think of is Kjalners skelly hand.

Blastbones definitely fits the theme, and does just fine in my book. Arguably the best delayed burst tools in the game. Shalks is prolly number 1 with blastbones close behind.

The only thing I can sorta agree on, is that blastbones struggles finding a target sometimes. So it can be harder to control sometimes.

But all together, blastbones is s tier in my book for a necromancer pet. Just because it doesn't feel like a pet to you, doesn't mean others think the same.

Id love to revert magbones back to what it was previously tho.

tomofhyrule wrote: »

FoJul wrote: »

Id love to revert magbones back to what it was previously tho.

The funny part is that some of the most broken parts of Subclassing right now is the fact that magbones (and the base morph) are buffing skills like Fatecarver to be OP.

Can you imagine if SacBones and GLS went back to what it was before, which then made Fatecarver not able to pick up a 15% damage boost from that on top of the 10% boost from Rapid Rot?

Also, I do love that the flavor text of SacBones and GLS specifically say “The skeleton leaps to you, sacrificing the fallen soul within and enhancing your necromantic energies for 10/20 seconds, increasing your damage done with class abilities and damage over time effects by 15%” when people are using it with subclassing specifically to buff their non-necromancer skills.

The skill has already been adjusted to not effect class skills like you mentioned.

Please consider swapping Bound Armor and Rune Prison between Daedric Summoning and Dark Magic. (Yes I know this has been said, I'm just adding my input, fuel to the fire.)

Since the 1st week patch notes and continued testing, it's become increasingly obvious that many of the discourse for no pet sorcs that are trying to engage with subclassing are running into problems due to the way our skill lines are designed. This small change would do a lot to make the lines more engaging to deal with. Right now, our key damage skills are spread out among all 3 lines, 1 of which is deemed to be mostly pet focussed now, so it would make logical sense to shift some of the no pet centric abilities out from that line if possible.

While a small bonus of 5% stam/mag is a step in the right direction, it holds no candle to the skill lines that can replace Daedric Summoning for a no pet Sorc. For example, I could swap in Assassination to get Grim Focus, then avoid Bound Armaments all together which is honestly inferior to it anyway. Conveniently, Asssasination also provides minor savagery making minor prophecy redundant, along with great damage passives, overshadowing what Dark Magic also tries to provide for damage dealers.

You specifically mentioned adding double the stacks to Bound Armaments so it can play nicer with Crystal Weapon's mini-game in week 1. It kinda feels like you guys are on the same page without even reallizing it? Dark Magic having 2 major damage skills instead of 1 would go a long way to make the skill line feel better balanced (Mines/Encase exist, but I wouldn't categorize them in the same way). I view the line as a more utility based damage line seeing as each skill proc's Blood Magic to heal the user, so if the line leans into that, it can compete with Assassination despite providing less DPS related passives.

I think interestingly, this solves a big problem Bound Armaments has by allowing it to stand out by proccing Blood Magic for a small heal. Issue being, it's competing with Grim Focus it's much stronger cousin. Mercilous Resolve deals about 50% more damage, provides a much stronger damage stat vs resources, and heals.. all for just 1 more stack, without the 0.3s delay between daggers that makes BA easier to dodge. Esentially BA becomes a more consistent, sustainable, utility based version of Grim Focus because it costs -1 stack, but heals every time you cast it, instead of trying to directly compete with its damage which it can not.

For Bound Aegis, this gives the tank based morph, a tank based heal via Blood Magic, a historically harder passive for a tank to fully utilize given the skills a tank likes engaging with is split between Dark Magic and Daedric Summoning.

Why did I pick Rune Prison instead of Daedric Mines, for the Daedric Summoning line? I've seen discourse about not swapping it because players really enjoy the interaction mines has from the Dark Magic line. Encase as the 2nd contender is in a similar situation, they like it in that line. The 3rd skill to swap, Rune Prison, has the easiest potential because it's probably the least used skill in the Sorc's entire kit. It needs a complete make over, Encase and Mines already got their make over within the past year. This would be a great opportunity to provide another pet related skill for the pet realated line, Daedric Summoning, instead of trying to force Bound Armor enjoyers to take a skill line that gives them very little.

......

Also also... Please hybridize Bound Armor morphs from 8% Magicka OR 8% Stamina to all morphs giving 6% Stamina/Magicka like the NB's Magicka Flood passive. Reality is, Bound Aegis is a tank skill, they don't usually need Magicka, that bonus tends to only be useful for mag Sorcs and blocking requires stamina by default, it's weird to increase Magicka. Bound Armaments is a damage skill, not all players are stamina based, mag Sorc's would like to use this skill too. Hybridization is a thing. Reinforce it where you can. This is one of the last holdouts. Kinda funny you hybridized MAGICKA Flood, and not this.

That is all, thank you.

To piggy back off my previous comment about swapping Bound Armor with Rune Prison to make Sorcerer skill lines better balanced in the new subclassing world....

I'd like to further suggest you consider rebalancing how Aedric Spear and Dawn's Wrath are designed for Templar. As it stands, Dawn's Wrath carries 4/5 damage related skills in comparison to Aedric Spear's 2/5 damage related skills, yet Aedric Spear carries most if not all the important damage related passives. This makes it very difficult for a Templar to subclass effectively like Sorcerer.

My suggestion is to swap Piercing Javelin with Solar Flare, Focused Charge with Backlash, and Sun Shield with Radiant Destruction. The results:

Aedric Spear

• Puncturing Strikes
• Solar Flare
• Backlash
• Spear Shards
• Radiant Destruction

Dawn's Wrath:

• Sun Fire
• Piercing Javelin
• Focused Charge
• Eclipse
• Sun Shield

And look, I know this isn't a perfect solution. It's obvious many of these skills have "sun" visual effects, and others have "spear" related effects. To that point, I'd like to highlight the fact that Sun Shield has nothing to do with spears and Power of the Light has a spear appear above the enemies head. I'd argue vfx are the least of our concern 11 years into this game since these classes were originally designed under a completely different architecture and design phylopshy that didn't support hybridization or subclassing. At some point, we need to think about the mechanics of how things operate instead of being stuck with how things look and how a skill line was named, things that could be changed pretty easily to support better game design.

At the very least, swap Sun Shield for Backlash if you disagree. They're already in the wrong lines from a narrow vfx perspective.

Also update "Enduring Rays" passive to actually do something, no one who plays this game finds "+2s duration to class abilities" as a fun, egaging, or interesting bonus. Either build in the 2s to the skills or remove it completely. 2/3 skills last 20/30s, which means adding 2s makes them awkward timers at 22/32s which lines up with absolutely nothing in the game. I guarantee 90%+ players who engage with Sun Fire or Solar Flare morphs in a rotation, cast them early.

Enduring Rays converted to a DPS perspective would be like saying "increase 2 skills total damage by 10% if you refresh the skills 2s late over 20-30s."

To be more specific:

• +1 tick of Reflective Light is +10% DMG
• +1 tick of Vampire's Bane is +6.6% DMG
• +1 tick of Solar Barrage is +9% DMG

Nova it makes a decent difference because they only last 8s, but again, just bake in the +2s without the passive.. in fact, make it +5s because these skills have been underperforming haven't they?

I'm not a Templar main, that's my take.