[Tales of Tribute] - A noticeable number of accounts are finally abusing the ToT reward system.

Personofsecrets · April 12

Thread title. Being done by starting a game and making the bare minimum play of using a coin or two. Monitoring the situation.

ESO_player123 · April 14

And what kind reward are they after? Green White boxes (I assume with this kind of play they are loosing) ? They are useless.

Personofsecrets · April 15

ESO_player123 wrote: »

And what kind reward are they after? Green White boxes (I assume with this kind of play they are loosing) ? They are useless.

Presumably so - I'm not so sure that the reward matters if scamming the reward system was done at scale.

I was informed that maybe some non-ToT players could be trying to just complete the Golden Pursuit and that is possible, but it is also suspicious to have multiple different player names playing in the exact same way on the same day.

ESO_player123 · April 15

I honestly do not see what possible benefits anyone could gain from this scheme. Even if they are gaining white boxes on a massive scale the rewards from them are nothing compared with the rewards from the boxes that their opponents are gaining from winning those matches.

Do you think that they are in cahoots with the winners? Arranging this within the matching system seems like a stretch. Anything is possible, of course (playing during off peak hours would increase the probability of matching with the co-conspirators). Still, the efforts seem not worth the rewards to me .

Personofsecrets · April 15

ESO_player123 wrote: »

I honestly do not see what possible benefits anyone could gain from this scheme. Even if they are gaining white boxes on a massive scale the rewards from them are nothing compared with the rewards from the boxes that their opponents are gaining from winning those matches.

Do you think that they are in cahoots with the winners? Arranging this within the matching system seems like a stretch. Anything is possible, of course (playing during off peak hours would increase the probability of matching with the co-conspirators). Still, the efforts seem not worth the rewards to me .

It's possible that someone is running multiple account to try and get them matched against eachother. Again though, a small reward granted many times is sufficient to reap a large reward and especially if that is done with a number of acounts at the same time.

katanagirl1 · April 15

Personofsecrets wrote: »

ESO_player123 wrote: »

I honestly do not see what possible benefits anyone could gain from this scheme. Even if they are gaining white boxes on a massive scale the rewards from them are nothing compared with the rewards from the boxes that their opponents are gaining from winning those matches.

Do you think that they are in cahoots with the winners? Arranging this within the matching system seems like a stretch. Anything is possible, of course (playing during off peak hours would increase the probability of matching with the co-conspirators). Still, the efforts seem not worth the rewards to me .

It's possible that someone is running multiple account to try and get them matched against eachother. Again though, a small reward granted many times is sufficient to reap a large reward and especially if that is done with a number of acounts at the same time.

Occam’s razor. If the behavior continues after the Golden Pursuits with the ToT on it, then it might be something other than players just wanting credit for playing a game.

spartaxoxo · April 16

I've seen people saying they're doing that just for the pursuit. It sounds like someone with multiple accounts just trying to get the pursuit over. If someone wanted to game the system, I doubt they'd do it PvP.

SeaGtGruff · April 16

katanagirl1 wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

ESO_player123 wrote: »

I honestly do not see what possible benefits anyone could gain from this scheme. Even if they are gaining white boxes on a massive scale the rewards from them are nothing compared with the rewards from the boxes that their opponents are gaining from winning those matches.

Do you think that they are in cahoots with the winners? Arranging this within the matching system seems like a stretch. Anything is possible, of course (playing during off peak hours would increase the probability of matching with the co-conspirators). Still, the efforts seem not worth the rewards to me .

It's possible that someone is running multiple account to try and get them matched against eachother. Again though, a small reward granted many times is sufficient to reap a large reward and especially if that is done with a number of acounts at the same time.

Occam’s razor. If the behavior continues after the Golden Pursuits with the ToT on it, then it might be something other than players just wanting credit for playing a game.

Except, it's also one of the weekly endeavors this week. In light of the fact that the other two weekly endeavors cannot be completed as quickly, plus the fact that the 2 Golden Pursuits involving Tales of Tribute have been out for a while and aren't required for earning the pinnacle reward (since 8 of the 28 pursuits can be skipped), I'd guess that this incidence is related to the weekly endeavor rather than the Golden Pursuits.

katanagirl1 · April 16

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

ESO_player123 wrote: »

I honestly do not see what possible benefits anyone could gain from this scheme. Even if they are gaining white boxes on a massive scale the rewards from them are nothing compared with the rewards from the boxes that their opponents are gaining from winning those matches.

Do you think that they are in cahoots with the winners? Arranging this within the matching system seems like a stretch. Anything is possible, of course (playing during off peak hours would increase the probability of matching with the co-conspirators). Still, the efforts seem not worth the rewards to me .

It's possible that someone is running multiple account to try and get them matched against eachother. Again though, a small reward granted many times is sufficient to reap a large reward and especially if that is done with a number of acounts at the same time.

Occam’s razor. If the behavior continues after the Golden Pursuits with the ToT on it, then it might be something other than players just wanting credit for playing a game.

Except, it's also one of the weekly endeavors this week. In light of the fact that the other two weekly endeavors cannot be completed as quickly, plus the fact that the 2 Golden Pursuits involving Tales of Tribute have been out for a while and aren't required for earning the pinnacle reward (since 8 of the 28 pursuits can be skipped), I'd guess that this incidence is related to the weekly endeavor rather than the Golden Pursuits.

I didn’t notice that, but it works just the same, players who don’t normally play ToT wanting to get credit for playing (and not caring to win) rather than some complicated scheme to maximize reward boxes.

Personofsecrets · April 16

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

ESO_player123 wrote: »

I honestly do not see what possible benefits anyone could gain from this scheme. Even if they are gaining white boxes on a massive scale the rewards from them are nothing compared with the rewards from the boxes that their opponents are gaining from winning those matches.

Do you think that they are in cahoots with the winners? Arranging this within the matching system seems like a stretch. Anything is possible, of course (playing during off peak hours would increase the probability of matching with the co-conspirators). Still, the efforts seem not worth the rewards to me .

It's possible that someone is running multiple account to try and get them matched against eachother. Again though, a small reward granted many times is sufficient to reap a large reward and especially if that is done with a number of acounts at the same time.

Occam’s razor. If the behavior continues after the Golden Pursuits with the ToT on it, then it might be something other than players just wanting credit for playing a game.

Except, it's also one of the weekly endeavors this week. In light of the fact that the other two weekly endeavors cannot be completed as quickly, plus the fact that the 2 Golden Pursuits involving Tales of Tribute have been out for a while and aren't required for earning the pinnacle reward (since 8 of the 28 pursuits can be skipped), I'd guess that this incidence is related to the weekly endeavor rather than the Golden Pursuits.

My original post was made before the ToT weekly endeavor.

Personofsecrets · April 16

katanagirl1 wrote: »

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

ESO_player123 wrote: »

I honestly do not see what possible benefits anyone could gain from this scheme. Even if they are gaining white boxes on a massive scale the rewards from them are nothing compared with the rewards from the boxes that their opponents are gaining from winning those matches.

Do you think that they are in cahoots with the winners? Arranging this within the matching system seems like a stretch. Anything is possible, of course (playing during off peak hours would increase the probability of matching with the co-conspirators). Still, the efforts seem not worth the rewards to me .

It's possible that someone is running multiple account to try and get them matched against eachother. Again though, a small reward granted many times is sufficient to reap a large reward and especially if that is done with a number of acounts at the same time.

Occam’s razor. If the behavior continues after the Golden Pursuits with the ToT on it, then it might be something other than players just wanting credit for playing a game.

Except, it's also one of the weekly endeavors this week. In light of the fact that the other two weekly endeavors cannot be completed as quickly, plus the fact that the 2 Golden Pursuits involving Tales of Tribute have been out for a while and aren't required for earning the pinnacle reward (since 8 of the 28 pursuits can be skipped), I'd guess that this incidence is related to the weekly endeavor rather than the Golden Pursuits.

I didn’t notice that, but it works just the same, players who don’t normally play ToT wanting to get credit for playing (and not caring to win) rather than some complicated scheme to maximize reward boxes.

How is the reward box idea complicated? Hypothetically, it is less complicated than other exploits that involve bots. A program pressing stagnant places on a screen would be much easier to design.

SeaGtGruff · April 16

Personofsecrets wrote: »

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

ESO_player123 wrote: »

I honestly do not see what possible benefits anyone could gain from this scheme. Even if they are gaining white boxes on a massive scale the rewards from them are nothing compared with the rewards from the boxes that their opponents are gaining from winning those matches.

Do you think that they are in cahoots with the winners? Arranging this within the matching system seems like a stretch. Anything is possible, of course (playing during off peak hours would increase the probability of matching with the co-conspirators). Still, the efforts seem not worth the rewards to me .

It's possible that someone is running multiple account to try and get them matched against eachother. Again though, a small reward granted many times is sufficient to reap a large reward and especially if that is done with a number of acounts at the same time.

Occam’s razor. If the behavior continues after the Golden Pursuits with the ToT on it, then it might be something other than players just wanting credit for playing a game.

Except, it's also one of the weekly endeavors this week. In light of the fact that the other two weekly endeavors cannot be completed as quickly, plus the fact that the 2 Golden Pursuits involving Tales of Tribute have been out for a while and aren't required for earning the pinnacle reward (since 8 of the 28 pursuits can be skipped), I'd guess that this incidence is related to the weekly endeavor rather than the Golden Pursuits.

My original post was made before the ToT weekly endeavor.

Ah, so it was! I hadn't seen this thread until a little while ago and didn't notice the date on the OP.

But we can probably expect to see this type of behavior pop up whenever ToT matches are included in the endeavors or the pursuits. It might also happen outside of those times-- in which case, it's almost certainly an attempt to farm reward coffers-- but hopefully not as rampantly.

Also, do we get Anniversary event coffers from completing ToT matches? I know the NPC matches only seldom reward them in the individual match rewards, even if the final reward from Kishka does, but I have no idea whether individual matches against other players reward event coffers.

Personofsecrets · April 16

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

ESO_player123 wrote: »

I honestly do not see what possible benefits anyone could gain from this scheme. Even if they are gaining white boxes on a massive scale the rewards from them are nothing compared with the rewards from the boxes that their opponents are gaining from winning those matches.

Do you think that they are in cahoots with the winners? Arranging this within the matching system seems like a stretch. Anything is possible, of course (playing during off peak hours would increase the probability of matching with the co-conspirators). Still, the efforts seem not worth the rewards to me .

It's possible that someone is running multiple account to try and get them matched against eachother. Again though, a small reward granted many times is sufficient to reap a large reward and especially if that is done with a number of acounts at the same time.

Occam’s razor. If the behavior continues after the Golden Pursuits with the ToT on it, then it might be something other than players just wanting credit for playing a game.

Except, it's also one of the weekly endeavors this week. In light of the fact that the other two weekly endeavors cannot be completed as quickly, plus the fact that the 2 Golden Pursuits involving Tales of Tribute have been out for a while and aren't required for earning the pinnacle reward (since 8 of the 28 pursuits can be skipped), I'd guess that this incidence is related to the weekly endeavor rather than the Golden Pursuits.

My original post was made before the ToT weekly endeavor.

Also, do we get Anniversary event coffers from completing ToT matches? I know the NPC matches only seldom reward them in the individual match rewards, even if the final reward from Kishka does, but I have no idea whether individual matches against other players reward event coffers.

I haven't paid attention to if anniversary coffers drop with every ToT reward, but I have been getting some from ToT rewards. This is in Competitive and Casual PvP only that I've played.

ESO_player123 · April 16

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

ESO_player123 wrote: »

I honestly do not see what possible benefits anyone could gain from this scheme. Even if they are gaining white boxes on a massive scale the rewards from them are nothing compared with the rewards from the boxes that their opponents are gaining from winning those matches.

Do you think that they are in cahoots with the winners? Arranging this within the matching system seems like a stretch. Anything is possible, of course (playing during off peak hours would increase the probability of matching with the co-conspirators). Still, the efforts seem not worth the rewards to me .

It's possible that someone is running multiple account to try and get them matched against eachother. Again though, a small reward granted many times is sufficient to reap a large reward and especially if that is done with a number of acounts at the same time.

Occam’s razor. If the behavior continues after the Golden Pursuits with the ToT on it, then it might be something other than players just wanting credit for playing a game.

Except, it's also one of the weekly endeavors this week. In light of the fact that the other two weekly endeavors cannot be completed as quickly, plus the fact that the 2 Golden Pursuits involving Tales of Tribute have been out for a while and aren't required for earning the pinnacle reward (since 8 of the 28 pursuits can be skipped), I'd guess that this incidence is related to the weekly endeavor rather than the Golden Pursuits.

My original post was made before the ToT weekly endeavor.

Ah, so it was! I hadn't seen this thread until a little while ago and didn't notice the date on the OP.

But we can probably expect to see this type of behavior pop up whenever ToT matches are included in the endeavors or the pursuits. It might also happen outside of those times-- in which case, it's almost certainly an attempt to farm reward coffers-- but hopefully not as rampantly.

Also, do we get Anniversary event coffers from completing ToT matches? I know the NPC matches only seldom reward them in the individual match rewards, even if the final reward from Kishka does, but I have no idea whether individual matches against other players reward event coffers.

It looks like an Anniversary event coffer is guaranteed when you open a golden ToT coffer. I'm playing a lot during this event and I'm yet to see a golden coffer that did not produce it.

Major_Mangle · April 16

I'd say there are two reasons:
1. Golden pursuit
2. New achievement that requires you to play a ToT match (some new dye iirc)

Don't think it's more complicated than that. You join the match and do bare minimum to get credit for participating. People do the same in battlegrounds for free endeavours/pursuit/daily exp.

katanagirl1 · April 16

Personofsecrets wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

ESO_player123 wrote: »

I honestly do not see what possible benefits anyone could gain from this scheme. Even if they are gaining white boxes on a massive scale the rewards from them are nothing compared with the rewards from the boxes that their opponents are gaining from winning those matches.

Do you think that they are in cahoots with the winners? Arranging this within the matching system seems like a stretch. Anything is possible, of course (playing during off peak hours would increase the probability of matching with the co-conspirators). Still, the efforts seem not worth the rewards to me .

It's possible that someone is running multiple account to try and get them matched against eachother. Again though, a small reward granted many times is sufficient to reap a large reward and especially if that is done with a number of acounts at the same time.

Occam’s razor. If the behavior continues after the Golden Pursuits with the ToT on it, then it might be something other than players just wanting credit for playing a game.

Except, it's also one of the weekly endeavors this week. In light of the fact that the other two weekly endeavors cannot be completed as quickly, plus the fact that the 2 Golden Pursuits involving Tales of Tribute have been out for a while and aren't required for earning the pinnacle reward (since 8 of the 28 pursuits can be skipped), I'd guess that this incidence is related to the weekly endeavor rather than the Golden Pursuits.

I didn’t notice that, but it works just the same, players who don’t normally play ToT wanting to get credit for playing (and not caring to win) rather than some complicated scheme to maximize reward boxes.

How is the reward box idea complicated? Hypothetically, it is less complicated than other exploits that involve bots. A program pressing stagnant places on a screen would be much easier to design.

Getting a bot to look at a map with node markers and interacting with them seems relatively easy, but getting one to respond to the ToT prompts at exactly the right time would be a mountain of work. The rewards from ToT are mostly mats so it would be easier to just let the bots farm nodes. Probably more efficient timewise too.

Personofsecrets · April 16

katanagirl1 wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

ESO_player123 wrote: »

I honestly do not see what possible benefits anyone could gain from this scheme. Even if they are gaining white boxes on a massive scale the rewards from them are nothing compared with the rewards from the boxes that their opponents are gaining from winning those matches.

Do you think that they are in cahoots with the winners? Arranging this within the matching system seems like a stretch. Anything is possible, of course (playing during off peak hours would increase the probability of matching with the co-conspirators). Still, the efforts seem not worth the rewards to me .

It's possible that someone is running multiple account to try and get them matched against eachother. Again though, a small reward granted many times is sufficient to reap a large reward and especially if that is done with a number of acounts at the same time.

Occam’s razor. If the behavior continues after the Golden Pursuits with the ToT on it, then it might be something other than players just wanting credit for playing a game.

Except, it's also one of the weekly endeavors this week. In light of the fact that the other two weekly endeavors cannot be completed as quickly, plus the fact that the 2 Golden Pursuits involving Tales of Tribute have been out for a while and aren't required for earning the pinnacle reward (since 8 of the 28 pursuits can be skipped), I'd guess that this incidence is related to the weekly endeavor rather than the Golden Pursuits.

I didn’t notice that, but it works just the same, players who don’t normally play ToT wanting to get credit for playing (and not caring to win) rather than some complicated scheme to maximize reward boxes.

How is the reward box idea complicated? Hypothetically, it is less complicated than other exploits that involve bots. A program pressing stagnant places on a screen would be much easier to design.

Getting a bot to look at a map with node markers and interacting with them seems relatively easy, but getting one to respond to the ToT prompts at exactly the right time would be a mountain of work. The rewards from ToT are mostly mats so it would be easier to just let the bots farm nodes. Probably more efficient timewise too.

Everything could be done by looping the same few mouse clicks. The accounts in question were just playing 1 or 2 gold and ending their turn with zero other interaction.

katanagirl1 · April 17

Personofsecrets wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

ESO_player123 wrote: »

I honestly do not see what possible benefits anyone could gain from this scheme. Even if they are gaining white boxes on a massive scale the rewards from them are nothing compared with the rewards from the boxes that their opponents are gaining from winning those matches.

Do you think that they are in cahoots with the winners? Arranging this within the matching system seems like a stretch. Anything is possible, of course (playing during off peak hours would increase the probability of matching with the co-conspirators). Still, the efforts seem not worth the rewards to me .

It's possible that someone is running multiple account to try and get them matched against eachother. Again though, a small reward granted many times is sufficient to reap a large reward and especially if that is done with a number of acounts at the same time.

Occam’s razor. If the behavior continues after the Golden Pursuits with the ToT on it, then it might be something other than players just wanting credit for playing a game.

Except, it's also one of the weekly endeavors this week. In light of the fact that the other two weekly endeavors cannot be completed as quickly, plus the fact that the 2 Golden Pursuits involving Tales of Tribute have been out for a while and aren't required for earning the pinnacle reward (since 8 of the 28 pursuits can be skipped), I'd guess that this incidence is related to the weekly endeavor rather than the Golden Pursuits.

I didn’t notice that, but it works just the same, players who don’t normally play ToT wanting to get credit for playing (and not caring to win) rather than some complicated scheme to maximize reward boxes.

How is the reward box idea complicated? Hypothetically, it is less complicated than other exploits that involve bots. A program pressing stagnant places on a screen would be much easier to design.

Getting a bot to look at a map with node markers and interacting with them seems relatively easy, but getting one to respond to the ToT prompts at exactly the right time would be a mountain of work. The rewards from ToT are mostly mats so it would be easier to just let the bots farm nodes. Probably more efficient timewise too.

Everything could be done by looping the same few mouse clicks. The accounts in question were just playing 1 or 2 gold and ending their turn with zero other interaction.

Isn’t there a queue though? How would a bot handle that?

Personofsecrets · April 17

katanagirl1 wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

ESO_player123 wrote: »

I honestly do not see what possible benefits anyone could gain from this scheme. Even if they are gaining white boxes on a massive scale the rewards from them are nothing compared with the rewards from the boxes that their opponents are gaining from winning those matches.

Do you think that they are in cahoots with the winners? Arranging this within the matching system seems like a stretch. Anything is possible, of course (playing during off peak hours would increase the probability of matching with the co-conspirators). Still, the efforts seem not worth the rewards to me .

It's possible that someone is running multiple account to try and get them matched against eachother. Again though, a small reward granted many times is sufficient to reap a large reward and especially if that is done with a number of acounts at the same time.

Occam’s razor. If the behavior continues after the Golden Pursuits with the ToT on it, then it might be something other than players just wanting credit for playing a game.

Except, it's also one of the weekly endeavors this week. In light of the fact that the other two weekly endeavors cannot be completed as quickly, plus the fact that the 2 Golden Pursuits involving Tales of Tribute have been out for a while and aren't required for earning the pinnacle reward (since 8 of the 28 pursuits can be skipped), I'd guess that this incidence is related to the weekly endeavor rather than the Golden Pursuits.

I didn’t notice that, but it works just the same, players who don’t normally play ToT wanting to get credit for playing (and not caring to win) rather than some complicated scheme to maximize reward boxes.

How is the reward box idea complicated? Hypothetically, it is less complicated than other exploits that involve bots. A program pressing stagnant places on a screen would be much easier to design.

Getting a bot to look at a map with node markers and interacting with them seems relatively easy, but getting one to respond to the ToT prompts at exactly the right time would be a mountain of work. The rewards from ToT are mostly mats so it would be easier to just let the bots farm nodes. Probably more efficient timewise too.

Everything could be done by looping the same few mouse clicks. The accounts in question were just playing 1 or 2 gold and ending their turn with zero other interaction.

Isn’t there a queue though? How would a bot handle that?

If they aren't using the auto-accept add-on, then they can could just incorporate an ocasional "F" button press which wouldn't affect anything during a game. Additionally, there is the auto-play cards option, so even that is already built into the game.