Vrienda wrote: »

The new zone honestly sounds pretty awful, just a random mishmash of cultures and ideals from the literal opposite sides of the planet.

Subclasses and the Cyrodiil changes are interesting though.

And what would you propose for novelty?

I just finished watching the post show. It really matters that Rich addressed our concerns about overland difficulty directly. I feel better about this now and I can put it on pause to enjoy the upcoming content. I was honestly more emotional about it than I expected when I heard his answer. Many thanks!

Adremal wrote: »

Housing vault reveal and stiff dead silence about the furnishing limit. How many decades are we going to be waiting for an answers, regardless of it being positive or negative? And should we think in decades, EoS or the heat death of the universe?

But they've given the answer multiple times? It's in place for a reason, and it's not changing. They keep saying it.

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

Hi Everyone! Thanks for tuning in to the 2025 ESO Direct. If you missed the live show, the VOD is available to be viewed here.

Now that The Elder Scrolls Online: Seasons of the Worm Cult has been revealed, we want to hear from you! Let us know what you think of the upcoming 2025 content. The things you like, dislike, or have general questions about. This is your thread to communicate your initial thoughts about Seasons of the Worm Cult, Content Pass, Subclassing, Quality of Life changes, etc. with the forum community and ESO Dev team. We will use commentary posted here as a reference point for communication between now and Seasons of the Worm Cult Part One/ Update 46 release.

For more information on Content Pass, we have an FAQ available here.

Your constructive feedback* and questions will let us know what information we can better clarify leading up to launch and beyond. We look forward to hearing your thoughts on all of the 2025 content! Also feel free to participate in the poll as well!

*Friendly reminder to keep the Community Rules in mind when replying. Thank you!
PC Players, remember you will be able to check out Update 46 on PTS this coming Monday! We look forward to hearing your feedback there as well.

Sub-classing.

Worst idea ever. For PvE and PvP.

We have combat devs with extremely slow reaction time to in-game combat imbalance, an incredibly slow combat tuning cycle, the worst PvP combat environment in 7 years and now a system to create 1 class.

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

alternatelder wrote: »

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

alternatelder wrote: »

Seasonal storylines are not what we wanted. Why would you even think people want to be forced to go through even more fomo? Having to play at your pace is anti-consumer.

For the record, the content does not disappear for seasons of the worm cult. You just get the parts at different times. But the content you can still take at your pace once it is live.

But didn't they say in the stream that the stories do go away, but come back during a remix?

In the post show, they just confirmed that you will own the content for Seasons of the Worm Cult.

Will I be able to purchase - at my leisure - Seasons of the Worm Cult content after that season is done?

As my eso+ will end in around 43days i would like to know more about the changes in prices so i can make a good desision.

Icy_Waffles wrote: »

I wish subclasses was just for PvP- for pve it creates absolute metas which is not fun at all

for pvp it destroys what little balance we have

I’m just getting off work so it’s gonna take a bit to go through everything, but I’m really scared about subclassing.

It’s great… in theory. I already know a few of my characters will get some new things to play with. But having said that, this really feels like another well-intentioned-but-disastrous thing that will only further exacerbate the split between the top-level endgamers and the casuals, and I fear that homogenizing everything even more will only lead to demands that everyone run one or two cookie-cutter builds. We already have so many “nobody’s accepting me into groups because I don’t run the meta!” threads, and this will make that so much worse.

Honestly, I fear we’re on the cusp of another U35-level endgame exodus, especially if the extra power from everyone running Arcanist beams and Templar executes ends up trivializing trifecta runs or if everyone can be immortal in PvP because of infinite-ultimate perma-Magma and high-health Polar Wind heals for allies.

There are a few lines that will synergize well and some that, even from a cursory glance, will be completely OP. What are the strategies there? Would the team nerf a skill because of how it synergizes with a different class line? What about the players who run a pure class? We can’t just say “you can do all content with anything!” and pretend that every raid lead will have to accept everyone.

I was really hoping that subclassing would have either 1) been for overland and normal content only and vet instances and PvP would require pure classes, or 2) allowed more versatility from different buffs/skills, but at the expense of raw power (e.g. reduced tooltips). That latter point was one of the issues with hybridization - giving players more options for the build by allowing WD/SD to count only as the higher then also made it so there would be one objectively better setup for the class… essentially taking away choice. I fear that pure classes will be totally and completely outclassed by mixed classes, essentially forcing people to multiclass to stay competitive (and thereby taking away player choice, unless they choose to be purposefully underpowered).

I’m also really disappointed because I want a new class more than anything else (Dwemer Artificer please!), and subclassing makes it seem like we’ll never get another class ever. Before, it would have been balancing one class against 7 existing, now it will require balancing three individual lines against all 21 others. I know the release of Arcanist made it so I was so excited to get back in and make a new character, but any new character now would just be… the same as something I already have until they have the skill points to get a different line?

The subclassing balance has been one of my biggest concerns since I heard about it. Again, I don’t hate the concept and think it could be fun to play around with for for-fun overland and RP builds, but it will be a monster to balance in a competitive arena and could easily lead to major toxicity, exclusion, and frustration.

Not excited for subclasses because it'll further squash class identity, not happy about a $50 paywall for less content than a full-sized chapter (especially as someone who's already an annual yearlong subscriber), and Cyro Champions was dull after about twenty minutes every day and seeing it pushed as the future of PVP was disappointing. Doesn't herald good or exciting things in ESO for me, despite how much I've loved this game over the years.

BrierTOG wrote: »

As my eso+ will end in around 43days i would like to know more about the changes in prices so i can make a good desision.

@ZOS_Kevin , you've been dancing around this topic and its starting to feel disrespectful. I'm sure you were told to not mention it, but its not going to just go away. Please address the fact that ESO+ is going to be a rip off with the current plan. (And if your response is the corpo-speak "we think we deliver tremendous value", my head is going to explode, so please keep my cranium intact by giving a real answer.)

Edit: And no, linking to the "FAQ", which is really a CAQ (conveniently asked questions) doesn't count as an answer either.

Sub-classing does nothing for me, much like scribing did nothing for me.

ESO+ being devalued frustrates me.

Facing the worm cult (again) may or may not be interesting--as with all story content, I'll have to play it and see.

I've participated in time-limited events in other games, and they're fun enough, so that part might be good.

Really not sure the season pass is worth the price; at this point, I cannot justify keeping ESO+ and buying the pass.

Not knowing what is happening with overland difficulty is also frustrating.

Subclassing - given the long-term inability to create any kind of balance between classes, this is... worrying. People can talk about "play how you want" as much as they like, but if you are interested in harder content you play what performs. Otherwise you are not wanted in the groups that can actually make progress. Small performance differences in classes are fine but we know they are not and have never been small, so we can't expect subclassing, which will be way more complicated, to balance well either.

ESO+ - I feel like I'm being punished for being a long term Plus subscriber. I would now need to pay for both things to have access to all content. Why can't Plus subscribers get the content at a reduced cost (even if it means committing to Plus for 6+ months)? Players who have been, dare I say it... loyal, should be rewarded, not made to feel like they are getting less for their money.

Erissime wrote: »

And finally what's up with that Wall event? I did not get much of it other than it is a base-game addition, group like activity? is it like a dungeon? or what exactly?

It's an event. So you know how there's been events where there is a progress bar for the whole server and as the bar fills up we get prizes? But that event never happens again. This is like that, without the prizes I think, not sure. We have to get to the other side of the wall during the event. And it isn't a dungeon, it's a giant wall separating the new zone in half.

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disky wrote: »

I don't want to come off as entitled, and I know it's just a game, and I understand that game development is about time/resource/priority management, but Matt discussed this in his December letter and now it seems like it's still in early prototyping with no prospects of a release anytime soon. Meanwhile, we're seeing a lot of progress on a major new system that was not discussed publicly prior to today. it's just really frustrating to have been given hope for a change that would make the game fun to play, only to have it shoved aside for something that sounds fun but isn't nearly as important to a lot of us. It feels like a bait-and-switch.

I'm here because I love this game and I want it to be better. I'm saying this because ESO matters to me. Please, I'm begging you guys to give overland difficulty options priority. I know it's complicated and controversial but it's something that will, for a lot of people, make the overland game actually fun to play for the first time.

Edit: And I just want to say that I understand systems can be developed simultaneously and different teams may be assigned to different features, but I can't get over the feeling that subclassing is something we didn't know about until now, and overland difficulty is something the community has been demanding for years. And also that it's understood how important the feature is to players given the vastness and length of the discussion on this very forum.

Totally get it. Understand where you are coming from. Just want to clarify here that we have a team dedicated to overland, so it is getting the focus and time needed. This is an important feature and we want to make sure this is done correctly. So there is a team dedicated to this. Some of the features that you are seeing today have been in the works for a bit. So that is why you are seeing them today. We hope to have more info in the future to share about overland.

Sorry to say this but the communication on this subject, which is a very sensitive thing for a lot of players on both side of the fence, is really lacking. I stopped playing a year and a half ago with too easy quest content as the main reason. It's the only reason I watched the live show from start to finish, just for Rich to casually mention at the very end as an afterthought that there is no concrete info. That sticky thread has been there for years with next to no interaction from the devs, it's rather disrespectful. Guess I'll check in with this game again next year or so.

mauser12k wrote: »

REALLY disappointed that, having subscribed since launch and just renewed my eso+ sub, we now find out that half the content of the year is available through ESO+ anyways, but we still have to pay for it *AGAIN* via a content pass if we want access to the zone. That's really telling your consumer base to F off. I'm sick of being fobbed off with "oh here's a pet for eso+ members" which is the usual case when we're dealt the short end of the stick, as if we're that gullible!
I genuinely think you'll have lost some of your most ardent supporters with this move.

This is how I've felt about ESO+ as someone that prefers to buy the content outright this whole time. I'd appreciate a permanent (but expensive) crafting bag unlock or a significantly discounted ESO+ tier that only grants the perks aside from access to content.