i absolutely hate arcanist healings

said no one ever · April 6

in first person view that spin-y bouncy thing sucks acid rock lava flows and i wish it would just STOP.

Literally i'm doooooooooonne even trying to ask nicely, i just leave. Good luck finding another tank, i hope you can do it without one.

valenwood_vegan · April 6

What? Are you saying you joined a random dungeon group and you're mad that there was an arcanist in the group? You shouldn't be joining random groups then.

DeadlySerious · April 6

said no one ever wrote: »

in first person view that spin-y bouncy thing sucks acid rock lava flows and i wish it would just STOP.

Literally i'm doooooooooonne even trying to ask nicely, i just leave. Good luck finding another tank, i hope you can do it without one.

As someone who plays tank in PvE so I can get groups faster, you really shouldn't be in first person view as a tank. You can't see all the other mechanics going on nearly well enough in first person view.

Vonnegut2506 · April 6

said no one ever wrote: »

in first person view that spin-y bouncy thing sucks acid rock lava flows and i wish it would just STOP.

Literally i'm doooooooooonne even trying to ask nicely, i just leave. Good luck finding another tank, i hope you can do it without one.

Crazy thought, switch to 3rd person view for dungeons.

said no one ever · April 7

DeadlySerious wrote: »

said no one ever wrote: »

in first person view that spin-y bouncy thing sucks acid rock lava flows and i wish it would just STOP.

Literally i'm doooooooooonne even trying to ask nicely, i just leave. Good luck finding another tank, i hope you can do it without one.

As someone who plays tank in PvE so I can get groups faster, you really shouldn't be in first person view as a tank. You can't see all the other mechanics going on nearly well enough in first person view.

Vonnegut2506 wrote: »

said no one ever wrote: »

in first person view that spin-y bouncy thing sucks acid rock lava flows and i wish it would just STOP.

Literally i'm doooooooooonne even trying to ask nicely, i just leave. Good luck finding another tank, i hope you can do it without one.

Crazy thought, switch to 3rd person view for dungeons.

its first person view or nothing.

Urzigurumash · April 7

said no one ever wrote: »

DeadlySerious wrote: »

said no one ever wrote: »

in first person view that spin-y bouncy thing sucks acid rock lava flows and i wish it would just STOP.

Literally i'm doooooooooonne even trying to ask nicely, i just leave. Good luck finding another tank, i hope you can do it without one.

As someone who plays tank in PvE so I can get groups faster, you really shouldn't be in first person view as a tank. You can't see all the other mechanics going on nearly well enough in first person view.

Vonnegut2506 wrote: »

said no one ever wrote: »

in first person view that spin-y bouncy thing sucks acid rock lava flows and i wish it would just STOP.

Literally i'm doooooooooonne even trying to ask nicely, i just leave. Good luck finding another tank, i hope you can do it without one.

Crazy thought, switch to 3rd person view for dungeons.

its first person view or nothing.

"user name checks out"

Hapexamendios · April 7

DeadlySerious wrote: »

said no one ever wrote: »

in first person view that spin-y bouncy thing sucks acid rock lava flows and i wish it would just STOP.

Literally i'm doooooooooonne even trying to ask nicely, i just leave. Good luck finding another tank, i hope you can do it without one.

As someone who plays tank in PvE so I can get groups faster, you really shouldn't be in first person view as a tank. You can't see all the other mechanics going on nearly well enough in first person view.

Not just tanks. I play my DPS and healers in 3rd person as welll. I can't imagine trying to do the gryphon boss in vet Lep in first person. With all those AOEs it'd be a nightmare.

HatchetHaro · April 7

said no one ever wrote: »

DeadlySerious wrote: »

said no one ever wrote: »

in first person view that spin-y bouncy thing sucks acid rock lava flows and i wish it would just STOP.

Literally i'm doooooooooonne even trying to ask nicely, i just leave. Good luck finding another tank, i hope you can do it without one.

As someone who plays tank in PvE so I can get groups faster, you really shouldn't be in first person view as a tank. You can't see all the other mechanics going on nearly well enough in first person view.

Vonnegut2506 wrote: »

said no one ever wrote: »

in first person view that spin-y bouncy thing sucks acid rock lava flows and i wish it would just STOP.

Literally i'm doooooooooonne even trying to ask nicely, i just leave. Good luck finding another tank, i hope you can do it without one.

Crazy thought, switch to 3rd person view for dungeons.

its first person view or nothing.

Honestly, you'd be better off with nothing; ESO's fundamental combat design is just not compatible with the first-person view, and it's evident in the low quality viewmodel animations and lack of care in first-person effects.

said no one ever wrote: »

Literally i'm doooooooooonne even trying to ask nicely, i just leave. Good luck finding another tank, i hope you can do it without one.

If you're a FPV-only tank, I'd just rather just have no tank lmao.

Rkindaleft · April 7

said no one ever wrote: »

DeadlySerious wrote: »

said no one ever wrote: »

in first person view that spin-y bouncy thing sucks acid rock lava flows and i wish it would just STOP.

Literally i'm doooooooooonne even trying to ask nicely, i just leave. Good luck finding another tank, i hope you can do it without one.

As someone who plays tank in PvE so I can get groups faster, you really shouldn't be in first person view as a tank. You can't see all the other mechanics going on nearly well enough in first person view.

Vonnegut2506 wrote: »

said no one ever wrote: »

in first person view that spin-y bouncy thing sucks acid rock lava flows and i wish it would just STOP.

Literally i'm doooooooooonne even trying to ask nicely, i just leave. Good luck finding another tank, i hope you can do it without one.

Crazy thought, switch to 3rd person view for dungeons.

its first person view or nothing.

Perhaps it's best if it's nothing, then.

The game is not optimized for a first person perspective, with the ugly animations and effects that cover up the majority of the screen, not to mention that you can't even see most of the mechanics to react to them.

Vaqual · April 7

HatchetHaro wrote: »

said no one ever wrote: »

DeadlySerious wrote: »

said no one ever wrote: »

in first person view that spin-y bouncy thing sucks acid rock lava flows and i wish it would just STOP.

Literally i'm doooooooooonne even trying to ask nicely, i just leave. Good luck finding another tank, i hope you can do it without one.

As someone who plays tank in PvE so I can get groups faster, you really shouldn't be in first person view as a tank. You can't see all the other mechanics going on nearly well enough in first person view.

Vonnegut2506 wrote: »

said no one ever wrote: »

in first person view that spin-y bouncy thing sucks acid rock lava flows and i wish it would just STOP.

Literally i'm doooooooooonne even trying to ask nicely, i just leave. Good luck finding another tank, i hope you can do it without one.

Crazy thought, switch to 3rd person view for dungeons.

its first person view or nothing.

honestly, you'd be better off with nothing; ESO's fundamental combat design is just not compatible with the first-person view, and it's evident in the low quality viewmodel animations and lack of care in first-person effects.

Reading between the lines that seems to be exactly the motivation for this thread. Animations that are neither pleasant nor helpful do not really add a lot to the gameplay.

TheMajority · April 7

the game is not meant to be played in first person, it is designed to play in 3rd person therefore never play dungeon content in first person

only play in third person ever, 1st person is not the intention ever.

frogthroat · April 7

The game is meant to be played the way you want.

I think this opening might be a bait, but the game is meant to be played nevertheless.

If you want 1st person, go ahead. It might be quite difficult in dungeons with the limited field of view, but if you still manage to taunt everything that needs taunting and do the required mechanics, you are not taking the joy out of other people's gaming.

Other people play their toons the way they want to. Arcanists have their arsenal. You have as much right to demand they stop playing their build the way they built it as they have the right to demand you play in 3rd person.

The only thing not ok in this scenario is quitting. I am ok with failure. I don't mind weird builds. What I don't appreciate is giving up. Don't join random dungeons if you are not willing to play.

Juomuuri · April 7

[snip] I've never had any problems with healcanists, and I tank most of the dungeons I do in this game. You can't dictate what healer class people play, if it bothers you, suck it up lol.

[edited for baiting]

M0ntie · April 7

This post seems like baiting. Or it can be read as:
"I hate arcanist healing" said no one ever.
"its first person view or nothing" said no one ever.

Also "play as you want" does not mean others should change how they play so you can play as you want especially in group content. Nor does it mean you can do all content in any build.

ElvenOverlord · April 7

This thread is why I hate cats

barney2525 · April 7

Vonnegut2506 wrote: »

said no one ever wrote: »

in first person view that spin-y bouncy thing sucks acid rock lava flows and i wish it would just STOP.

Literally i'm doooooooooonne even trying to ask nicely, i just leave. Good luck finding another tank, i hope you can do it without one.

Crazy thought, switch to 3rd person view for dungeons.

That makes WAAAAAY too much sense

said no one ever · April 7

Wuduwasa13 wrote: »

said no one ever wrote: »

in first person view that spin-y bouncy thing sucks acid rock lava flows and i wish it would just STOP.

Literally i'm doooooooooonne even trying to ask nicely, i just leave. Good luck finding another tank, i hope you can do it without one.

[snip]

i poosted 2 messages back to back. 1 about something i hate and one about something i liked. The one about something i liked has gotten 0 replies but the the one about something i hate has over a dozen replies all telling me how wromg i am and who cares.

guess what that shows?

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/675729/11-15-motif-drops-a-day-doing-crafting-and-dungeons-on-10-toons#latest

[edited to remove quote]

nimmerex · April 7

I always play in "first person" because it provides more immersion, which I enjoyed in previous Elder Scrolls games such as Morrowind and Oblivion. Playing in "third person" makes me feel like an outside observer.

Ezhh · April 7

If you insta-quit without even trying to talk to your members based on just the class the healer is running, you'd do us all a favour, yourself included, by only running with premades.

I'm not a big fan of arc-healer but I do have one and it's what my healer gear is on atm, so guess what I will queue as? Why should I (and the DDs in the group who will have likely had a much longer queue than you and me) then insta-lose a tank and (maybe) not be able to run the dungeon?

I see a lot of entitlement around what people think others should bring to random dungeons, but quitting on a group that did nothing wrong with zero attempt at communication is just about the worst.

frogthroat · April 7

said no one ever wrote: »

guess what that shows?

That when your whole thread opening is "event drops are cool" people don't have much to say about it. Press "Agree" or "Awesome", but not much beyond that.

But when you bash other people's playstyle because you want them to cater to your playstyle, or else you are going to do what pretty much everyone hates in random dungeons - leave the dungeon without completing it leaving others hanging, people have something to say about it?

That's what it shows.

tomofhyrule · April 7

This isn't the first time you posted a thread with this exact topic. And even in that first thread, you got the same answer: ESO is not intended to be played in 1st person.

Your analysis from the previous version of the thread was also somewhat flawed. You focused on what "shows character" or "players being nice to others" because they wouldn't consider stopping casting important skills on the chance that others were playing in 1st person. How dare others not change their playstyle to accomodate others! But ironically, you also are not even considering changing your playstyle for the benefit of the group, especially on a role like tank where one of the most important things is 360° awareness of what's going on around your character at all times.

I tank. I only tank. I stopped playing in 1st about a month after I started playing because of how important it was. Sure, I still play Skyrim in 1st person (and I even RP walk through the world because logically I wouldn't have the stamina to jog everywhere in heavy armor), but that's a single player game so my self-nerfs don't affect anyone else. ESO is not a single player Elder Scrolls game; 1st person was added to help bridge that gap, but the idea of stubbornly sticking to a self-nerf (and thereby affecting others) is no longer appropriate.

If you want to play ESO as a single player game, that's fine. ESO is actually one of the most (if not the most) single-player friendly MMOs out there, and it's perfectly acceptable to play solo your entire time. Go right ahead! But don't screw over others because you can't be bothered to accommodate their playstyle and then hypocritically argue that they're not trying to accommodate you.

I'll just leave what I said in the last edition of this thread:

tomofhyrule wrote: »

VoxAdActa wrote: »

I assume the idea is just to not use specific skills at all, in case someone nearby is using first-person mode, though I have no idea what those skills may be.

I would bet this came about because of the Arcanist skill Chakram Shield or its morphs. That effect does end up right in the middle of the screen in 1st person and rotates very quickly.

However... that's actually a really important skill for Arcanist healers, particularly since the Tidal Chakram morph is essentially the Resto skill Healing Ward but on three allies at once if cast with full Crux.

Essentially, the ask from OP is that they are so adamant about playing in 1st person that they'd prefer the healer only light attack the boss and not do any healing whatsoever, which I assume they mean that they expect the tank to be able to not only wrangle the boss and keep their own resources up, but that they will have to do so without heals, while also ensuring that the boss is positioned perfectly such that there are no damaging AoEs on the floor under the DPS or behind the group which can't be seen from 1st person. And, as is said in the OP, they're demanding that ZOS not release any bugfixes or patches until the game is optimized for 1st person for everyone.
Or, you know, everyone can just play in 3rd person like they're supposed to and not force the entire rest of the group to bend over backwards for one person.

Soarora · April 7

frogthroat wrote: »

The game is meant to be played the way you want.

I think there’s generally a misunderstanding as to what “play your way” means. I believe it’s more about the game having many types of content and classes aren’t locked into having certain roles or gear. It does not mean you can play every way and do every content that way. You need a viable build to do vet+ content and you cannot play first person all the time because you will be blinded by all the happenings in front of you and not be able to see your surroundings.

frogthroat · April 7

Soarora wrote: »

frogthroat wrote: »

The game is meant to be played the way you want.

I think there’s generally a misunderstanding as to what “play your way” means. I believe it’s more about the game having many types of content and classes aren’t locked into having certain roles or gear. It does not mean you can play every way and do every content that way. You need a viable build to do vet+ content and you cannot play first person all the time because you will be blinded by all the happenings in front of you and not be able to see your surroundings.

You need to keep reading. I already addressed this in the same comment:

If you want 1st person, go ahead. It might be quite difficult in dungeons with the limited field of view, but if you still manage to taunt everything that needs taunting and do the required mechanics, you are not taking the joy out of other people's gaming.

It will be difficult, but if you can do it, I don't care if you play 1st or 3rd person. It was implied in my comment, but let me be clear if anyone missed it: if you can't then you are taking away from others' enjoyment and then you are in the wrong.

Grizzbeorn · April 7

said no one ever wrote: »

Literally i'm doooooooooonne even trying to ask nicely, i just leave. Good luck finding another tank, i hope you can do it without one.

Good luck finding a group, with that attitude.
This is purely a self-imposed personal problem.

BXR_Lonestar · April 7

DeadlySerious wrote: »

said no one ever wrote: »

in first person view that spin-y bouncy thing sucks acid rock lava flows and i wish it would just STOP.

Literally i'm doooooooooonne even trying to ask nicely, i just leave. Good luck finding another tank, i hope you can do it without one.

As someone who plays tank in PvE so I can get groups faster, you really shouldn't be in first person view as a tank. You can't see all the other mechanics going on nearly well enough in first person view.

Honestly, except for a few activities, you shouldn't be playing in first person in this game. It sucks, because I enjoy skyrim and oblivion in first person, but in this game you miss too much if you play in first person. I only go in first person for my guilds scavenger hunts or to more closely investigate things.

said no one ever · April 7

BXR_Lonestar wrote: »

DeadlySerious wrote: »

said no one ever wrote: »

in first person view that spin-y bouncy thing sucks acid rock lava flows and i wish it would just STOP.

Literally i'm doooooooooonne even trying to ask nicely, i just leave. Good luck finding another tank, i hope you can do it without one.

As someone who plays tank in PvE so I can get groups faster, you really shouldn't be in first person view as a tank. You can't see all the other mechanics going on nearly well enough in first person view.

Honestly, except for a few activities, you shouldn't be playing in first person in this game. It sucks, because I enjoy skyrim and oblivion in first person, but in this game you miss too much if you play in first person. I only go in first person for my guilds scavenger hunts or to more closely investigate things.

just because you cant successfully do it doesn't mean no one else can.

said no one ever · April 7

tomofhyrule wrote: »

This isn't the first time you posted a thread with this exact topic. And even in that first thread, you got the same answer: ESO is not intended to be played in 1st person.

Your analysis from the previous version of the thread was also somewhat flawed. You focused on what "shows character" or "players being nice to others" because they wouldn't consider stopping casting important skills on the chance that others were playing in 1st person. How dare others not change their playstyle to accomodate others! But ironically, you also are not even considering changing your playstyle for the benefit of the group, especially on a role like tank where one of the most important things is 360° awareness of what's going on around your character at all times.

I tank. I only tank. I stopped playing in 1st about a month after I started playing because of how important it was. Sure, I still play Skyrim in 1st person (and I even RP walk through the world because logically I wouldn't have the stamina to jog everywhere in heavy armor), but that's a single player game so my self-nerfs don't affect anyone else. ESO is not a single player Elder Scrolls game; 1st person was added to help bridge that gap, but the idea of stubbornly sticking to a self-nerf (and thereby affecting others) is no longer appropriate.

If you want to play ESO as a single player game, that's fine. ESO is actually one of the most (if not the most) single-player friendly MMOs out there, and it's perfectly acceptable to play solo your entire time. Go right ahead! But don't screw over others because you can't be bothered to accommodate their playstyle and then hypocritically argue that they're not trying to accommodate you.

I'll just leave what I said in the last edition of this thread:

tomofhyrule wrote: »

VoxAdActa wrote: »

I assume the idea is just to not use specific skills at all, in case someone nearby is using first-person mode, though I have no idea what those skills may be.

I would bet this came about because of the Arcanist skill Chakram Shield or its morphs. That effect does end up right in the middle of the screen in 1st person and rotates very quickly.

However... that's actually a really important skill for Arcanist healers, particularly since the Tidal Chakram morph is essentially the Resto skill Healing Ward but on three allies at once if cast with full Crux.

Essentially, the ask from OP is that they are so adamant about playing in 1st person that they'd prefer the healer only light attack the boss and not do any healing whatsoever, which I assume they mean that they expect the tank to be able to not only wrangle the boss and keep their own resources up, but that they will have to do so without heals, while also ensuring that the boss is positioned perfectly such that there are no damaging AoEs on the floor under the DPS or behind the group which can't be seen from 1st person. And, as is said in the OP, they're demanding that ZOS not release any bugfixes or patches until the game is optimized for 1st person for everyone.
Or, you know, everyone can just play in 3rd person like they're supposed to and not force the entire rest of the group to bend over backwards for one person.

please try and stay in the present

Soraka · April 7

As an arcanist healer this makes me sad lol

thorwyn · April 7

If you don't want to play with people for whatever reason, go ahead. Noone is forcing you. Enjoy the penalty and keep convincing yourself that the group is doomed because they will never find another tank.
Asking people to stop doing X or Y because you don't like it is ridiculous though. Do you really expect a healer to rearrange his skill bars just to avoid a certain animation? How entitled can you get? You decided to play 1st person pov, so deal with the consequences.

valenwood_vegan · April 7

Sounds to me like this group was probably better off having to wait a bit for another tank. Bet they did just fine.

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