Were you able to successfully get into large-scale battles?
Yes alot of them and it was amazing

Did large-scale battles feel better latency-wise and how combat feels (responsive or not, fun or not, etc.)?
I had no lag at all only fps drops, and have played big battles everyday so far

What you think of the simplified abilities?
I like the idea but then it has to be with more like weapon skill lines and morphs otherwise i think it will become boring in the long run

Did any of your characters become ‘corrupted’ if they leave Cyrodiil mid battle, lost connection, got booted, hit lag, etc? If you encounter character corruption, please provide the following feedback when using /bug in-game.
nope not at all

What are your initial thoughts on Cyrodiil Champions (Vengeance Campaign)?
I like it
Do you have any general feedback?
I like it when its alot of more people on the server now, it happends so much all the time everywhere.

About the skills as i said its a bit boring after a while i would like Weapon skill lines and morphs they could be simplified aswell that i dont mind only that it is so few and like on my main a NB healer i kinda only have 1 heal would like maybe a morph on path of darkness so i heals again if you dont want heals on the ground but i noticed warden have a hot heal maybe do so it heals if people walk into it and they get a hot so they could leave and still have the hot if that makes it preforme better then a ground heal that heals when people are in it.

Edit:
And as i only have kinda 1 heal its hard to heal the right person when you have to aim with alot of people infront of you and many times the heal goes to a person with much more health then the person i want to heal

So yeah like it overall but next test try add Weapon skill lines/morphs or maybe both and still try to max the population.
i think you should raise the bar with the population cap untill it crash this test

thanks

First of all, thank you for putting the effort and time into actively trying to work the problem. I also generally like the "let's test something out and get some feedback approach" rather then just cooking something up behind closed doors. And I hope this will lead to an development in the right direction.

A few information about me to put my feedback into persective. I play eso since the ende of its beta-version. I mostly play PvE on a semi Endgame basis (All HM cleared and all Trial trifecta upto the release of Blackwood (Rockgrove). I occasionally play battleground but am mostly in cyrodiil for events. I did however played for a few month in a

Were you able to successfully get into large-scale battles?
Yes, I played thuesday and wednesday (after the population cap was raised) and experienced battles with sometimes upto 150+ on each side. However, large-scale fights are not necessarily a good thing in this campagne as I will explain in answers to the next questions.

Did large-scale battles feel better latency-wise and how combat feels (responsive or not, fun or not, etc.)?

• Purely latency-wise speaking, yes there was an improvement. In semi-large scale battles no issues, in very large scale battles skill delay occured. (Scales refer relative to the campagne, so a semi-large scale on vengeance would be a very large scale on normal campagnes)
• However, the vanilla healing/dmg numbers aften did not show up. So I am unsure if it only looked like my skills fired or if they atually did something.
• The battles were no fun to me. There are multiple major design flaws in the vengence idea that I will point out in my "thoughts on on the vengeance campaigne" answer. But generally, it was engaging and basically which ever side had more people won a fight.
• But, the battles were fun and impressive to look at

What you think of the simplified abilities?
Short answer, not good. Any option for variety in gameplay was completely gone (nuker, tank, heal, bomber). The simplified skills in combination with the limited number of skills available made the experience very dull.

• I agree, that some of the skill in game are overloaded and streamlining them makes sense. Also things like stacking healing as done by ball-groups needs to be adressed, but:
• Limitation to three targets completely contradicts large-scale battles, because you dont have the tools to engage of a large scale level.
• Limitation to three targets completely removes any reason to play in groups.
• Skills are generally to weak - this is noticeable when trying to do things by yourself e.g. clear are resource or just have 1v1 fights. With the increased health pool more then once fights with only a few vs a few where dispanded at some point because no side could kill the other
• Obviously the current class skills where taken and just streamlined. As a result the skill-Kits were very incomplete and I dont think any thought to the resulting implications where given. My favourite example, no skills to actively reveal invisible units on some classes. (I say some, because I didnt check all, but it was the case for every class i played)

Did any of your characters become ‘corrupted’ if they leave Cyrodiil mid battle, lost connection, got booted, hit lag, etc?
No.

What are your initial thoughts on Cyrodiil Champions (Vengeance Campaign)?
Not well thought through in my opinion. One of the major draw backs is that You want to enable large-scale battles but take away more or less every aspect away, that would make large scale battles interesting.:

• (as already mentioned) target limit on skills/ no ground based aoes - when people rushing through any choke point, the ability to stop them is purely decided by which side has more player
• unchanged siege weapon limit - so I now have a siege with 100+ people but most are just standing around cuz no more siege can be placed
• siege-weapons are not impactful - so increased health pool combined with low dmg by siege weapons made killing player with it very unlikely. Using siege to defend felt pointless, and for the attack only usefull against gates/walls. - Again chokepoints could not be utilized for the defence.

There are also some other aspects:

• reduced insentive to play - yes we got double AP, but at the same time I could not use Mora's Whisper, the Cyrodil Cake Buff-food or the cyrodil delve boss buff. So it feels with respect to leveling alliance rank or skill-lines it was even a downgrade
• no adjustment for missing passives - slow mount speed, slow resurrect, missing skill range (many range skills couldnt hit the enemy during sieges)
• no skyshards - so we did push to the temples once and I never was there with this character, and than I wasnt allowed to interact with the skyshard... comon -.-

Do you have any general feedback?
I think the idea "lets simplify combat to enable large-scale battles" is interesting but also very dangerous:

• having more people in a fight, just for the sake of more people is not good. for any serious implementation it has to be carefully balanced between how many people can handle the server and for how many people is the current combat designed. (I explained why in my previous answers)
• always keep in mind, ESO is an MMO-RPG, not some sort of Moba (Multiplayer online battle arena) it is a fundamental part of an MMORPG that you have to farm gear and develop your character
  • If you remove/ significantly reduce this aspect for a large portion of the game (Cyrodiil) you completely negate the huge amount of time and effort people spend in this game to build their characters
  • fights might have been fun for little bit, but the lack of versatility made things dull and repetitive very quickly. I personally didnt want to play the campagne any longer after half an hour on the second day, because it came down to following the zerk and hoping it has more players than the oposing zerk you encounter.
  • there has to be a benefit in playing with friend and maybe design some setups with some nice synergy. it is perfectly normal, that a smaller group with good setups is better than a larger group without any planing (not to the extend of current ball-groups, this is a little to much - i will offer some ideas in a second)
• please do not get rid of the dynamic and fun combat system of eso, just so you can say "we can have larger battles like in the beginning". It is one of the things that defines eso and is essential to keeps its identity.

Here are some personal suggestions for going forward, that I believe address your overall goal but also keep the current feeling of PvP and Cyrodiil alove and address the weakpoints I have pointed out:

• cap the ability to stack hots (not remove it completely!) e.g. say a player can only have x-instances of the same hot. This should reduce server calculations and also address the extrem power differents between random groups and ball groups, but not completely remove the option to optimize your group play
• completely remove any sort of passive/buff/debuff that is only relevant for PvE from cyrodiil (via battle spirit or in the same style as done in vengance)
• change sets that have very calculation heavy effects into a PvE and a PvP version. this approach also makes balancing much easier
• distribute server load (this is only a guess because I dont know, how it is actually done currently) - so it is very noticeable that during PvP events performance is better, so what ever you do there works. If it is not already done in some way, maybe it is possible to split cyrodiil into multiple areas handled by different servers. Even if that means adding a loading screen at specific areas - this might require some changes in the landscape or such. But I think it is important to be open to change aspects like that in order to preserve other things in the game.
• deactivate some of the games systems for the fight but keep it available to the player without leaving cyrodiil. e.g., deactivte the mail-system, but have a NPC in the alliance base where you can check for mails or send some.
• keep the "infinite" siege idea if it helps performance - probably needs some adjustment with the AP economy though

My last comment is regarding collecting feedback. Using only the forum might not give you a complete picture on how the test (or future test) is perceived by the majority of players and also requires a lot of manual work in the analysis on your (Zos) part. Thats why I highly recommend the implementation of an ingame survey!. Just have it pop up after a test for all players that took part when they log in. Have some multiple choice questions what they though about the test. When analysing I also suggest to the data take some account specific meta data into consideration if available. E.g. the opinion of somebody, who plays a lot of PvP and has multiple chars on Rank 50 and 1000hours of play time should have more weight than somebody who plays eso for a month. (This is a very important aspect in my opinion). Such a survey system would be very universal and can also be used in any aspect of the game. Not just for tests but also to get feedback regarding new features and such. This way you actually get the opinion of your player base and dont have to try to infere it based on some limited number of forum posts or data collected ingame. Both can misrepresent the reality for various but very different reason, but this post is already long enough so I will not go into more detail about that here.

Thank you for reading until the end and I hope I could provide some helpful feedback. Looking forward to see the next steps you are going to take (:

Were you able to successfully get into large-scale battles?
Yes
Did large-scale battles feel better latency-wise and how combat feels (responsive or not, fun or not, etc.)?
Large number of players were ok response wise when not doing anything but when the visual effects took place with a large number of players in close proximity (fire, lightning etc) game began stuttering and fps dropped. That being said the game didnt actually freeze like it does with normal cyrodiil.
I found switching weapons bars sluggish when in battle compared to normal Cyrodiil.
What you think of the simplified abilities?
I like them, they are a low barrier to entry (don't have to extensively learn the ability to play) the and you can feel like you are achieving something even if your character is not optimised. As a sorcerer I felt for the first time since one tamrial I was actually contributing to a kill. Presently there are no invincible players and ball groups are just co-ordinated tactical groups.
I think Cyrodiil PVP could use simplified abilities in campaigns, and maybe have a advanced campaign for players who want to use optimised characters. The simplified abilities campaign might need some incentives to grow the player base.
Did any of your characters become ‘corrupted’ if they leave Cyrodiil mid battle, lost connection, got booted, hit lag, etc? If you encounter character corruption, please provide the following feedback when using /bug in-game.
No
What are your initial thoughts on Cyrodiil Champions (Vengeance Campaign)?
I'm enjoying it, I don't need to be in a group to contribute if I have a limited amount of time to play. No surprise ganking, or invisible ball groups, incursions are fun (both sides) and require coordination but they can be disrupted. The slow mount speed is hard to get used to (its the most obvious jolting gameplay for me).Maybe keep the normal speed but increase the stamina use.
Do you have any general feedback?
Add simplified abilities for weapons.
Allow quests
Have better rewards than the regular PvP (to grow player base)
Change siege into targeted types. Ie Stone for structures (limited player damage), Fire for players (limited structure damage) to increase tactical play.
For the regular PvP going forward
- remove ability to use multiple siege at the same time. If you plant a second siege weapon destroy/despawn the initial weapon.
- Improve stealth detection if the keep is captured.
- have a cooldown on stacked heals or a cap on heals per time interval. The Vengeance Campaign seems to have removed the invincible players and ball groups since its harder to maintain a heal.
-Keep the visual effects for simplified PvP. The color change is cool and reminds you that you are in a different environment.
- The Vengeance campaign reminds me of pvp when I first started playing ESO before one Tamriel. It was primarily the number of players that one, not a optimised, stacked, procced set(s) that one the day.

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

Final comment: please consider disabling add-ons as part of the test! Add-ons consume individual user as well as game server resources to function and it would be enlightening to know how large or small their impact on performance is.

How exactly do addons consume "game server resources to function"?

I can't wait to hear this.

But before you answer, please give us your background in terms of writing code.

Were you able to successfully get into large-scale battles?
Yes

Did large-scale battles feel better latency-wise and how combat feels (responsive or not, fun or not, etc.)?
Fights were boring. No counter to large groups of people sieging multiple walls. Most fights turned into taking empty keeps. Latency-wise, I did not lag. I also do not lag in normal PvP campaigns when I am solo or in a small group. My proc sets do have issues going off in large fights, but skills and everything else work fine.

What you think of the simplified abilities?
No diversity in skill set ups. Felt like most skills were magicka based, so resource recovery was terrible.

Did any of your characters become ‘corrupted’ if they leave Cyrodiil mid battle, lost connection, got booted, hit lag, etc? If you encounter character corruption, please provide the following feedback when using /bug in-game.
No issue with character corruption.

What are your initial thoughts on Cyrodiil Champions (Vengeance Campaign)?
It is great that most, if not all, are experiencing lag free gameplay. The larger fights is also a plus. My concern is that this test campaign may become the new standard. This would remove build diversity, theory crafting and testing, and all sets and items we paid for, both DLC and base game. I mostly play ESO for PvP. In summary, my thoughts are this campaign test was a success on reducing lag, but the direction is very concerning.

Do you have any general feedback?
Playing and leading in organized PvP raids is what I enjoy. I get accused of causing lag for many others and have been told that we, organized raiders, have caused this test to come about. Small scale and solo fighting have become mostly non existent. Which has led to many people organizing in PvP raids to combat the 60+ man zergs chasing us down when we are solo or in a small group. If people want a campaign where they send entire factions to one keep, as players have done in this testing, then create a separate campaign where they can enjoy that experience. I request that you do not remove others ability to have fun.

Were you able to successfully get into large-scale battles?

-Yes, multiple times.

Did large-scale battles feel better latency-wise and how did combat feel (responsive, fun, etc.)?

-It felt similar to regular Cyrodiil. There were occasional loading screens or instances where clicking an ability didn't trigger it, but the improvements in combat glitch were noticeable.

What do you think of the simplified abilities

-They are definitely too simple, and there aren’t enough of them. While it’s fun at first, over time it becomes monotonous. Not having enough depth makes it hard to experiment with new builds or tailor playstyles through theorycrafting.

Did any of your characters become ‘corrupted’ if they left Cyrodiil mid-battle, lost connection, got booted, or experienced lag?

-No

What are your initial thoughts on Cyrodiil Champions (Vengeance Campaign)? Do you have any general feedback?

-In my opinion, the campaign is too limited. Many of my PvP friends, who used to play in Cyrodiil daily, switched to Imperial City or battlegrounds after testing it in order to be able to experience the "normal" PvP again. Some PvP guilds I am member of have even paused their raids for now. Although the campaign offers some fun initially, it quickly turns repetitive. Theorycrafting is a big part of MMO enjoyment, experimenting with builds, playing with the scribing system and finding perfect gear combinations are all key and the reason why we loved Cyrodiil. The lack of these features, along with our items that aren’t usable in Cyrodiil anymore (reducing incentives for trials, arenas, or gear farming), is disappointing. It’s great that some performance improvements were made, but please consider this feedback before making such changes to cyrodiil permanent.

I'd like Vengeance rules to replace the No CP campaigns in both Cyrodiil and Imperial City, so that players can pick between regular PvP and template PvP. Maybe a separate queue for Battlegrounds that has Vengeance rules would be welcome as well.

One crowd loves regular PvP and hates template PvP, while another crowd hates regular PvP but loves template PvP — having the option between both types of PvP would be an easy way to appease both crowds.

Were you able to successfully get into large-scale battles?
Yes (was able to have large scale battles in Beta as well at least then there were builds / skills that made it fun)

Did large-scale battles feel better latency-wise and how combat feels (responsive or not, fun or not, etc.)?
Responsive ~ yes / Fun ~ HELL NO

What you think of the simplified abilities?
Terrible / No Builds to individualize / Meant for beginner gamers... not pvpers or gamers over the age of 10 years old (its like you made PvP for children)

account name: @DatRascal

character name: Cassiah Rae

What are your initial thoughts on Cyrodiil Champions (Vengeance Campaign)?
Terrible PvP it was zerg v zerg NO PvP for Solo / Small man / 1vX / Coordinated guild groups / Was basically PvP for noobs

Do you have any general feedback? I have been PvPing in Cyro since beta (joined ESO officially on 02/28/2014) and did early launch just for PvP, I can tell you if this is the direction PvP is going most of the PvP community will leave as it is not challenging or fun at all. Basically, its PvP / gaming for new players that just want to zerg as there is no skill needed.

Were you able to successfully get into large-scale battles?
Yes

Did large-scale battles feel better latency-wise and how combat feels (responsive or not, fun or not, etc.)?
Better latency wise, but not fun with this combat sytem

What you think of the simplified abilities?
Boring

Did any of your characters become ‘corrupted’ if they leave Cyrodiil mid battle, lost connection, got booted, hit lag, etc?
No

What are your initial thoughts on Cyrodiil Champions (Vengeance Campaign)?
Appreciate that you are trying to fix the lag, but this combat system is not the solution

Do you have any general feedback?
I feel that the combination of powerful single target abilities and powerful AoE abilities makes a dynamic, enjoyable combat system - for solo players as well as well as group players. So removing most of the the AoE part is not a good idea.

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

This is the official feedback thread for the new Cyrodiil Champions (Vengeance Campaign). Please try out the new campaign and let us know what you think! Specific feedback that the team is looking for includes the following:

• Were you able to successfully get into large-scale battles?
• Did large-scale battles feel better latency-wise and how combat feels (responsive or not, fun or not, etc.)?
• What you think of the simplified abilities?
• Did any of your characters become ‘corrupted’ if they leave Cyrodiil mid battle, lost connection, got booted, hit lag, etc? If you encounter character corruption, please provide the following feedback when using /bug in-game.
  • account name
  • character name
  • What happened to trigger the corruption (leave Cyrodiil mid battle, lost connection, got booted, etc)?
  • Time of day this occurred
  • screenshots and video
• What are your initial thoughts on Cyrodiil Champions (Vengeance Campaign)?
• Do you have any general feedback?

Were you able to successfully get into large-scale battles?
Yes that's pretty much all that was able to happen in this mode. Small scale seems extinct for the moment.

Did large-scale battles feel better latency-wise and how combat feels (responsive or not, fun or not, etc.)?
Large battles did run better, but I occasionally had some lag still. Doors apparently have not been improved by this and for me bar swap also remains laggy/unresponsive feeling. Large scale battles mostly felt like they ran better, there were still several instances of lag for me particularly around some AD battles (nothing against AD for some reason there appears to be some groups of AD that lag me out) and when trying to use Arcanist damage beam. I had one day where every time I tried to beam I hit a lag spike.
I also had visual issues where enemy players were disappearing at a short range, leading me to believe there were areas with no enemies only to walk up into huge groups.

What you think of the simplified abilities?
Lack of smart healing and only targeted healing on some skills felt bad. When you get 50 players around you it's almost impossible and it becomes a waste of resources. A lot of the abilities felt redundant or useless/repetitive and I found myself on several classes mostly just using buffs and then a couple of skills because some seemed not worth it and some seemed to not work well at all. Smaller target amounts etc. don't seem like a bad idea overall. I'm not against the simplification of some abilities for the sake of "balance" and lag reduction. I do not currently like how it is right now, though, but I don't really know where the test ends and the planning for the future begins for these templates so it's hard to give feedback.

[*]Did any of your characters become ‘corrupted’ if they leave Cyrodiil mid battle, lost connection, got booted, hit lag, etc? If you encounter character corruption, please provide the following feedback when using /bug in-game.

[*]account name
[*]character name
[*]What happened to trigger the corruption (leave Cyrodiil mid battle, lost connection, got booted, etc)?
[*]Time of day this occurred
[*]screenshots and video
No, no corruption thank goodness.

What are your initial thoughts on Cyrodiil Champions (Vengeance Campaign)?
1) Please please please do something to keep the sky effects. I could see this being great when the hammer spawns, so it happens but not all the time. I love it, but also enjoy regular sky.
2) I enjoy the reduction of stuck in combat bug.
3) I enjoy not having to pick up my siege all the time.
4) I think this mode could be useful for new PvPers training as an optional campaign to get the basics down. Overall I do not enjoy this mode as it stands, more below. I appreciate the testing and seeing that there is a possibility of more populated Cyro with less lag. I am not ready to concede that there is not still hope for balance and performance without barebones. I am not against modifying skills and gear for PvP, but I really dislike the complete lack of variation and personality at this point.

Do you have any general feedback?
General feedback from not really knowing where this is going from here or if it matters due to speculation:
As someone who has played pvp a lot, this got mind numbing pretty quickly. Not saying I'm super great at pvp, but with experience in the basics and years to practice and continue to "grow" in pvp, my perception is that the ceiling has effectively been moved so low there is not much to keep my mind engaged. I can watch TV, have a conversation, space out and push buttons kinda automatically and do just fine. I legitimately feel the lack of cognitive work I have to do. I got sleepy, like road hypnosis when driving. I haven't seen a lot of room for variation in tactics etc just perpetual keep after keep with some long fights where people get into a stalemate in doorways. I feel like some things have been lost. The "only rely on skill now" window seems to be very small and then it turns into only rely on numbers and what class is best.

I recognize this is new and feels more approachable for those who are new and don't have as much experience. They're probably still at the cognitively engaged stage and there's nothing wrong with that. But I suspect eventually everyone would hit the 'ok but now what?' stage. I also don't agree that this type of mode would be free from toxicity, anyone who has played games with more simplified characters knows that it doesn't take much for less options to become overly meta and toxic. I currently do not have a meta build in normal. No one really notices or judges it. When the options become bare bones, it will be more noticeable and judged IMO. Balance issues and lack of guidance caused a lot of frustration - I do not want to discount that. But most games do see lasting competition as having a sense of progression which does ultimately come down to time spent leading to increase in skill. I have a general sense over the years as my PvP rank went up so did my experience and skill. It felt satisfying and challenging. I currently do not have that feeling in this mode as it stands.I also wish the arguments wouldn't boil down to its lag or this so I have to like it. I can not like this and wish ZOS could balance better and fix lag. I dislike the idea this would be the only solution.

I think there's a place for this type of mode, particularly for training Cyrodiil basics. But I am still afraid this will become the only option. I also suspect that maybe it was also a mindset issue keeping people out of PvP in the first place. I've read so many assumptions and accusations about how PvP is from people who never tried. Part of this is the IDEA and beliefs that pvers and new players are welcome now. It took pressure off and new people love it. The simplification does help, but I can't help but wonder if more had tried it without the negative bias in the first place maybe they could have learned and stuck around before too. As someone who used to be pretty "carebear and sensitive" (labeling myself not making any comment or label on people enjoying Vengeance), I've always found the majority of Cyrodiil players to be very welcoming.

I hope that makes sense.

Were you able to successfully get into large-scale battles?
Answer: Yes and they were epic!

Did large-scale battles feel better latency-wise and how combat feels (responsive or not, fun or not, etc.)?
Answer: Yes, latency was far better! I was also able to mount up within seconds of any combat ending!

What you think of the simplified abilities?
Answer: I love the simplified abilities. They are more welcoming to new players and feel more balanced.

Did any of your characters become ‘corrupted’ if they leave Cyrodiil mid battle, lost connection, got booted, hit lag, etc? If you encounter character corruption, please provide the following feedback when using /bug in-game.
Answer: No.

What are your initial thoughts on Cyrodiil Champions (Vengeance Campaign)?
Answer: It was epic! I love the player templates and simplified abilities. The combat felt far more balanced and there were none of the annoying experiences of the normal campaign such as immortal ball groups, bombers, OP meta builds, or getting ganked in 1.2 seconds with zero time to respond.

Do you have any general feedback?
This campaign was the most fun I've had in Cyrodiil since I can remember and I've been in and out of Cyrodiil since this game first launched! A balanced Cyrodiil like this would be a ton of fun to have as an ongoing campaign. Keep the player stat templates but add back the other skill lines and allow some magicka abilities to be morphed to stamina (just like usual). Allow player sets to give build variety. I would play far more Cyrodiil if it were like this. I couldn't get enough of it! It's also far more welcoming to new players. In the normal campaign, I often die having no idea what actually happened. I can feel like the fight is going well in a one on one and within 2 seconds I'm dead and searching the kill hit screen to discern why I suddenly died. In this Vengeance campaign it was obvious why I died each time. I never felt the need to stare at the kill hit screen and try to figure out how I died so fast. I either got fairly outplayed or zerged to death! Please make a similar Vengeance campaign an ongoing live campaign!

Were you able to successfully get into large-scale battles?
Yes! Even on my low-end PC, I didn't run into issue

Did large-scale battles feel better latency-wise and how combat feels (responsive or not, fun or not, etc.)?
The latency seemed fine to me. The combat felt MUCH better due to the equalized stats. Being able to actually damage people without the tanky builds they have made the combat feel so much more fluid and engaging.

What you think of the simplified abilities?
They're a good idea to keep the PvP and PvE balance separate. Only thing I'd change with them is to add Weapon Skills too.

Did any of your characters become ‘corrupted’ if they leave Cyrodiil mid battle, lost connection, got booted, hit lag, etc?
Nope!

What are your initial thoughts on Cyrodiil Champions (Vengeance Campaign)?
Brilliant! This is exactly what I wanted out of ESO PvP. I always found the PvP in the game off-putting due to the sheer difference in builds and stats in enemies you might encounter. In most PvP games, if you see an enemy, you always have a chance to be able to defeat them. This was not the case in old ESO PvP, the difference in builds means you might be literally not able to kill someone no matter how hard you try. But in Vengeance, it's much better, as if you see an enemy, you DO have a chance to defeat them, no matter who they are. Also, this makes PvP much more "plug and play". Normally it's really cumbersome to get into PvP, having to create separate builds, get separate gear, change your builds in armory...with Vengeance, you just join and you can immediately join the action.

Do you have any general feedback?
Please keep this or add a separate campaign for it. I LOVE the equalized stats and template builds, and the only thing I'd change here is just to add Weapon Skills as well. Otherwise, it feels so much better to play, and I would actually get into PvP in this game if this becomes permanent. I would love this to be implemented in Imperial City and Battlegrounds, as well!

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

[*]Were you able to successfully get into large-scale battles?
yes almost every single fight seemed to be large scale. But I was able to find small scale fights on the side of the large fights.
[*]Did large-scale battles feel better latency-wise and how combat feels (responsive or not, fun or not, etc.)?
I do not lag much if at all prior to this change. Only in super massive keep fights where skills might not work in game or things responsive. But I had no lag at all with this even in larger fights. But I did have random crashes and saw other people still crash.
[*]What you think of the simplified abilities?
I think the game needed this. The difference between an experienced pvper vs a newbie is drastic. The pop has been bleeding for years now. BUT this is prob late and wont bring in new players anyways.
[*]Did any of your characters become ‘corrupted’ if they leave Cyrodiil mid battle, lost connection, got booted, hit lag, etc? If you encounter character corruption, please provide the following feedback when using /bug in-game.

no

[*]What are your initial thoughts on Cyrodiil Champions (Vengeance Campaign)?
love the huge fights and the ability to find even smaller fights on the side. Especially to fight people iv never seen before. I feel like I am back in Beta/year 1-2 with lots of action and not knowing who I am going to run into.
[*]Do you have any general feedback?
If this becomes the way to divide pvp and pve skills. AOE caps need to be removed if not somewhat increased to 6. Plus the targeting healing needs to be removed. The targeting as it is now I liked the idea and skill of it but the system just does not register the proper target. You can aim at the ground and still not heal yourself. I also worry with so many skill lines in the game balance in this will be tough to reach unless certain things are not allowed in cyro. (scribing being a major power creep) to reduce the amount of skills/classes to balance. I also do enjoy the fact that there was some return to classes being unique again and having pros/cons instead of sets/scribing skills just making things a flavor.
I also worry that the large population could cause two issues. I worry if faction balance numbers become so great keep fights turn into steam rolling fests. (need AOE caps and some sort of VD system) Second I worry this test was done a little late and the pop is not going to return and so trying to increase the pop is not going to do anything but lead to 1 faction being able to bring its full numbers to the map. (DC que in primetime NA has reached 80+, EP around 25-50, and idk the AD. But I can see an instance of one pop having 50+ people compared to the other factions and just rolling the map. I would love to have a mercenary ability to temp swap factions which would require you to actively be fighting and earning AP to keep you in cyro.

Were you able to successfully get into large-scale battles?

YEs-many massive 100-150 player battles and only experienced lag/low framerate a few times.

Did large-scale battles feel better latency-wise and how combat feels (responsive or not, fun or not, etc.)?

Absolutely

What you think of the simplified abilities?

I enjoyed it. The limitations on HOTS and DOTS made me focus more on individual opponents while still having to be aware of larger clusters of enemy players. HOwever, I think it might get boring after awhile though. IT did not really leave much room for different playstyles.

Did any of your characters become ‘corrupted’ if they leave Cyrodiil mid battle, lost connection, got booted, hit lag, etc? If you encounter character corruption, please provide the following feedback when using /bug in-game.

Nope

What are your initial thoughts on Cyrodiil Champions (Vengeance Campaign)?

I really enjoyed it. I think it might get boring after awhile.

Do you have any general feedback?

I think it would be great to retain this campaign as either:
1. An annual event but with its own campaign scoring and quests. I am guessing more people played in PVP this week than at any time in the last five years (at least).
2. A replacement of the lowbie campaign (and maybe even Ravenwatch although I am sure some people would complain about that). It felt like everyone was on a level playing field and the limited skills make players focus on the core mechanics of mastering combos, dodging, blocking and self healing.

Thanks!

Were you able to successfully get into large-scale battles?

Yes

Did large-scale battles feel better latency-wise and how combat feels (responsive or not, fun or not, etc.)?

100% better. I have a very good internet connection and a decent desktop.

What you think of the simplified abilities?

I really appreciate the simplified abilities. I think it’s healthier not only for the lag but for the fact that there is a limit to what an individual player or group can do while dramatically outnumbered. There is plenty of room for skillful solo or group play without one person or group feeling overpowered.


Did any of your characters become ‘corrupted’ if they leave Cyrodiil mid battle, lost connection, got booted, hit lag, etc? If you encounter character corruption, please provide the following feedback when using /bug in-game.
account name
character name

No & No

What happened to trigger the corruption (leave Cyrodiil mid battle, lost connection, got booted, etc)?
Time of day this occurred
screenshots and video

NA

What are your initial thoughts on Cyrodiil Champions (Vengeance Campaign)?

My main comment has been that this format is so much better for new or casual players. The templates put people on an even playing field.

New pvpers can learn enough to become good group contributors in a matter of hours vs weeks or months.

Socially, this has the effect of veteran PVP players being much more welcoming to all other players. Currently in Greyhost, newer pvpers face a months long grind to get up to speed with stats, CP, unlocking abilities and passives, grinding gear - and they are often seen as a liability to a coordinated group … especially due to the possibility of bombers blowing up groups due to a “weak link” player dying too easily. There are new players that undertake this uphill grind to become experienced pvpers... I know because I actively coach a good chunk of new pvpers who are working to learn. It take a lot of time, and I imagine the majority will drop out due to the long road to become competitive.

In order to add players to Cyrodil over the long run, we need something like this that is accessible. It’s healthy for the pvp community.

I also very much like that bombers, LOS solo or small group players, and ball groups cannot dominate the battlefield. That said, in this format is still plenty of opportunity for individuals, leaders and coordinated groups of players to significantly impact the outcomes of fights.

Do you have any general feedback?

I have to say that the team did a really stellar job prototyping a new rule set that engaged hundreds of players and all but eliminated lag. Felt like pvp at launch, lots of nostalgia.

What I hear from other players who had constructive criticism, is that they’d like more build diversity potential, even in a simplified format like this one.

Last but not least, if such a format were implemented I really hope you add WEREWOLF as an option. Werewolf in pvp is an endangered species and it’s really time yall give us some love.

Good work Zos you’re on the right track.