worst stuff ever

Juzz · March 25

turn off this arcade junk and give us back normal cyro campaigns plz, ty-ty.
if i ever wish to degrade, i'll get damn dota or similiar trash and turnin' eso to that kinda stuff's disgusting.

Soarora · March 25

It's only for a week.

Juzz · March 25

Soarora wrote: »

It's only for a week.

it always starts with *it;s only for...*

LunaFlora · March 25

it is a test. a week-long test. as has been said for 2 months

Juzz · March 25

LunaFlora wrote: »

it is a test. a week-long test. as has been said for 2 months

and?
it still smells bad, and if it does, do ye need to taste it to confirm that it's bad?

just remindin' that eso's good for an *unique playstyle and skill combinations*, innit, so, from now on the first step to waste this very playstyle has been done, con'damn'grats all those cyro wh!ners with dota

Rohamad_Ali · March 25

We have lost so much in this game since 2014.

Torchbugs

Cyrodiil Deer

Doors on towers

Animation Canceling

and now..

All skills except class.

In the name of performance.

Before anyone comments. We know it's a test. It's always a test before they really change stuff.

KhajiitiLizard · March 25

Wait you currently can only use class skills? Yikes. IF you want to limit... why not limit to class and weapon skills? I Don't know anyone who exclusively use class skills.

SeaGtGruff · March 25

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

We have lost so much in this game since 2014.

Torchbugs

Cyrodiil Deer

Doors on towers

Animation Canceling

and now..

All skills except class.

In the name of performance.

Before anyone comments. We know it's a test. It's always a test before they really change stuff.

Animation canceling is alive and well. Who told you that it isn't?

All skills except class is just for this test. They have no intention of cutting all skills except class.

Artem_gig · March 25

[snip] They need tests to make Cyrodiil better. If you like Cyrodiil the way he was, then congratulations, you are a necrophile. In fact, this is one of the best things that has happened to Cyrodiil, I can never remember such an online in the game. Yes, we were limited in everything, but the balance has become fair, which encourages new players to play and not worry that some random spit will kill them in half a second. Everything is on equal terms. And they didn't say that this was all they would do and would most likely add modified weapon skills in the future. [snip] and let the developers keep working. This could be a good start for a living Cyrodiil.

[edited for baiting]

Juzz · March 25

Artem_gig wrote: »

[snip] They need tests to make Cyrodiil better. [snip] In fact, this is one of the best things that has happened to Cyrodiil, I can never remember such an online in the game. Yes, we were limited in everything, but the balance has become fair, which encourages new players to play and not worry that some random spit will kill them in half a second. Everything is on equal terms. And they didn't say that this was all they would do and would most likely add modified weapon skills in the future. [snip] and let the developers keep working. This could be a good start for a living Cyrodiil.

equality ye say? equality for someone, who can do pvp and random idle clicker - that's the balance? [snip]

[edited for baiting & to remove quote]

shadyjane62 · March 25

Sounds like a good week to be moving from the Rockies to the East Coast. Too bad I will miss all the "fun".

Tried to play last night, but rang in at queue at 238. Not too sure if I will like it, but hopefully when it settles down I will be able to see what's happening.

Something had to done as I will no longer go into Cyro other than to do dailies and level my pve chars fast. With random ball groups mowing every one down Cyro has become a misery.

I am day one player always subbed by the year. I am in waiting mode right now. I will resub for one month at anniversary as that is the one thing still worth doing here.

Then I will reevaluate.

Trier_Sero · March 25

It's the best pvp eso had ever. Please keep it permanently ZOS.

Artem_gig · March 25

Juzz wrote: »

Artem_gig wrote: »

Stop whining and let the developers do their job. They need tests to make Cyrodiil better. If you like Cyrodiil the way he was, then congratulations, you are a necrophile. In fact, this is one of the best things that has happened to Cyrodiil, I can never remember such an online in the game. Yes, we were limited in everything, but the balance has become fair, which encourages new players to play and not worry that some random spit will kill them in half a second. Everything is on equal terms. And they didn't say that this was all they would do and would most likely add modified weapon skills in the future. So stop whining and let the developers keep working. This could be a good start for a living Cyrodiil.

equality ye say? equality for someone, who can do pvp and random idle clicker - that's the balance? [snip]

[snip] What makes you think I'm playing dota? I've never run it in my life. As for pvp. Are you seriously bragging about using a meta outfit that kills players for you? Do you think this is an example of good pvp? I believe that the confrontation between players should be based on skill, not on meta junk (which is what cyrodiil has turned into, meta fights against meta). And beginners, even if they are skilled, will not do anything against such unfair conditions.

[edited for baiting & to remove quote]

Artem_gig · March 25

As a person involved in fencing, I prefer to realize that it was my actions that led to victory, not my clothes. When we fight with swords, it doesn't matter who has which sword. The conditions are equal for everyone. If you can't block a blow in time, or make an attack in time, then it's your fault. In teso, your fault is that you basically got into pvp without having meta. The game must give fair conditions so that the player is responsible for his loss. And I'm not saying that the game should just give everyone equal conditions just like that. It makes sense to get yourself a better outfit. But that shouldn't give you the advantage of fighting alone against an entire army.

Artem_gig · March 25

You should have accused me of playing mordhao or chivalry 2, then you'd be right, but not Dota.

Bubosh · March 25

@SeaGtGruff you clearly havent played the game since beta if you anwser to him with "AC is still allive and there" AC got drastically nerfed back then so next time pls just think and write not other way arround. AC got limited and nerfed to the ground for players like that which didnt even notice how it was before and thats the sad part.... Some ppl just like to put out some words there without even knowing about the real thing there or how it was at all before and thats the big problem of ESO and its community

Malprave · March 25

So they carry out an experiment to fix lag and it works. Now they have a starting point to work from. They have separated PvP from PvE which players have begged for for years. This is a huge, huge win for PvP players. Only in these forums could this be spun as a negative.

frogthroat · March 25

Juzz wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

it is a test. a week-long test. as has been said for 2 months

and?
it still smells bad, and if it does, do ye need to taste it to confirm that it's bad?

just remindin' that eso's good for an *unique playstyle and skill combinations*, innit, so, from now on the first step to waste this very playstyle has been done, con'damn'grats all those cyro wh!ners with dota

Do you enjoy the lag in normal Cyro? Does it bring you joy when in the middle of combat everything freezes for a couple of seconds and when it starts moving again you are lying dead on the ground? Is it wonderful when you try to ride as fast as you can so you get the capture tick and you get an unexplained loading screen?

If you answer "yes", then your concerns are warranted.

If you answer "no", then let the devs investigate what causes lag and how to improve the performance. This game has many moving parts. Sometimes in troubleshooting it is best to strip the system to bare minimum so you can pinpoint the issue. You can't fix something you don't know.

Juzz · March 25

frogthroat wrote: »

Juzz wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

it is a test. a week-long test. as has been said for 2 months

Do you enjoy the lag in normal Cyro? Does it bring you joy when in the middle of combat everything freezes for a couple of seconds and when it starts moving again you are lying dead on the ground? Is it wonderful when you try to ride as fast as you can so you get the capture tick and you get an unexplained loading screen?

If you answer "yes", then your concerns are warranted.

If you answer "no", then let the devs investigate what causes lag and how to improve the performance. This game has many moving parts. Sometimes in troubleshooting it is best to strip the system to bare minimum so you can pinpoint the issue. You can't fix something you don't know.

personally i amn't the one who's suffered from a tiny lags havin' 190-200+ latency permanently for a quite a time, yet still usage of an unique build with an uncommon playstyle worked for me so far with not meta shite, just a personal bow/bow and it's not a nb, and aye, used the vault there and it worked mostly fine even when it's hard actually activate one cuz of bug - did the job in solo/group cyro encounters, but now i'm forced to use only class stuff without any balancing myself or customisation at all, where my gear ain't matter, watchin' same ballgroup dummies spammin' one button instead of at least 3, reminds of a zombie apocalyptic stuff instead of cyro campaign.
if that's *balance and improvement* so far, than it's not eso and i prefer a full refund since the first release, than this pervertion of the game i liked and supported.

frogthroat · March 25

Juzz wrote: »

personally i amn't the one who's suffered from a tiny lags havin' 190-200+ latency permanently for a quite a time, yet still usage of an unique build with an uncommon playstyle worked for me so far with not meta shite, just a personal bow/bow and it's not a nb, and aye, used the vault there and it worked mostly fine even when it's hard actually activate one cuz of bug - did the job in solo/group cyro encounters, but now i'm forced to use only class stuff without any balancing myself or customisation at all, where my gear ain't matter, watchin' same ballgroup dummies spammin' one button instead of at least 3, reminds of a zombie apocalyptic stuff instead of cyro campaign.
if that's *balance and improvement* so far, than it's not eso and i prefer a full refund since the first release, than this pervertion of the game i liked and supported.

Wait wait wait, I must have misunderstood. There is no way you are saying what I think you are saying.

You are ok with the lag and don't care if others are bothered by it because you work around it? And you would rather get the game refunded instead of letting the devs try to find out the root cause of the lag during the one week test? Is this what you are saying?

twisttop138 · March 25

I'm not a computer programmer. I am, however, a dirty diesel truck mechanic. What some people would call big rigs. I do a lot of diagnostics. When I have a complicated issue, sometimes the best course of action is to go back to basics and start at the beginning. Unplug everything. Then start adding things back to the mix 1 by 1. Then when the fault occurs, you know what's causing it. What the devs are doing makes sense. That doesn't mean you have to like it, but that doesn't change the fact that their doing it the right way.

Juzz · March 25

twisttop138 wrote: »

I'm not a computer programmer. I am, however, a dirty diesel truck mechanic. What some people would call big rigs. I do a lot of diagnostics. When I have a complicated issue, sometimes the best course of action is to go back to basics and start at the beginning. Unplug everything. Then start adding things back to the mix 1 by 1. Then when the fault occurs, you know what's causing it. What the devs are doing makes sense. That doesn't mean you have to like it, but that doesn't change the fact that their doing it the right way.

got yer point, lad, but it still depends on a goal, innit? do ye unscrew the entire engine to change a tire as a metaphor, cuz it looks from my point for now, that it's not the issue tuning as a goal - it's a destruction of eso mass pvp at all, by makin' it one click simple and unified as a result of pressure from around the rookie corner about full pve cyrodiil,cuz they die in there and that's upsettin'. so, the simple way -make it trash for skippin' the entire learn & practice the mechanics.

ye can't come to a ring/octagon if someone prefer that kind and beat the fighter without proper skill and training, innit? that's my point, and we're gettin' exactly this kinda stuff, where ye don't need skill for such endeavor anymore

frogthroat · March 25

Juzz wrote: »

twisttop138 wrote: »

I'm not a computer programmer. I am, however, a dirty diesel truck mechanic. What some people would call big rigs. I do a lot of diagnostics. When I have a complicated issue, sometimes the best course of action is to go back to basics and start at the beginning. Unplug everything. Then start adding things back to the mix 1 by 1. Then when the fault occurs, you know what's causing it. What the devs are doing makes sense. That doesn't mean you have to like it, but that doesn't change the fact that their doing it the right way.

got yer point, lad, but it still depends on a goal, innit? do ye unscrew the entire engine to change a tire as a metaphor, cuz it looks from my point for now, that it's not the issue tuning as a goal - it's a destruction of eso mass pvp at all, by makin' it one click simple and unified as a result of pressure from around the rookie corner about full pve cyrodiil,cuz they die in there and that's upsettin'. so, the simple way -make it trash for skippin' the entire learn & practice the mechanics.

ye can't come to a ring/octagon if someone prefer that kind and beat the fighter without proper skill and training, innit? that's my point, and we're gettin' exactly this kinda stuff

I highly doubt you got twisttop's point. Do you truly, honestly believe the lag in Cyro is comparable to a flat tire as a metaphor? And not, say, that when you press the gas pedal or the break and it takes 4 seconds for the car to respond?

And do you truly, honestly believe a one week test is "destruction of eso mass pvp"?
And do you truly, honestly believe the "rookies", as you say, will not need to learn and practice after this one week test has passed in one week. And you do realise one week is slightly less than permanent?

Juzz · March 25

frogthroat wrote: »

Juzz wrote: »

twisttop138 wrote: »

I'm not a computer programmer. I am, however, a dirty diesel truck mechanic. What some people would call big rigs. I do a lot of diagnostics. When I have a complicated issue, sometimes the best course of action is to go back to basics and start at the beginning. Unplug everything. Then start adding things back to the mix 1 by 1. Then when the fault occurs, you know what's causing it. What the devs are doing makes sense. That doesn't mean you have to like it, but that doesn't change the fact that their doing it the right way.

got yer point, lad, but it still depends on a goal, innit? do ye unscrew the entire engine to change a tire as a metaphor, cuz it looks from my point for now, that it's not the issue tuning as a goal - it's a destruction of eso mass pvp at all, by makin' it one click simple and unified as a result of pressure from around the rookie corner about full pve cyrodiil,cuz they die in there and that's upsettin'. so, the simple way -make it trash for skippin' the entire learn & practice the mechanics.

ye can't come to a ring/octagon if someone prefer that kind and beat the fighter without proper skill and training, innit? that's my point, and we're gettin' exactly this kinda stuff

I highly doubt you got twisttop's point. Do you truly, honestly believe the lag in Cyro is comparable to a flat tire as a metaphor? And not, say, that when you press the gas pedal or the break and it takes 4 seconds for the car to respond?

And do you truly, honestly believe a one week test is "destruction of eso mass pvp"?
And do you truly, honestly believe the "rookies", as you say, will not need to learn and practice after this one week test has passed in one week. And you do realise one week is slightly less than permanent?

unfortunately ye ain't cought mine about goals.

and yes, if it starts with such simplification - it's the end of the concept, where one week - it's a stresstest for the beginning.
got enough experience since pre-release to make such a conclusions unfortunately

MJallday · March 25

Im assuming you are referring to the vengeance campaign

its a one week test with certain things disabled to identify what the problem is, which will help them support what is going to be done in the future

its been said multiple times on repeat, that IF (and note, thats and IF) anything comes of this, it wouldnt look anything like vengeance.

theres really nothing to concern yourself with.
if you dont want to be involved with this test, dont be.

frogthroat · March 25

Juzz wrote: »

unfortunately ye ain't cought mine about goals.

and yes, if it starts with such simplification - it's the end of the concept, where one week - it's a stresstest for the beginning

Have you ever troubleshooted anything complicated with at least dozens of different variables?

sans-culottes · March 25

Juzz wrote: »

twisttop138 wrote: »

I'm not a computer programmer. I am, however, a dirty diesel truck mechanic. What some people would call big rigs. I do a lot of diagnostics. When I have a complicated issue, sometimes the best course of action is to go back to basics and start at the beginning. Unplug everything. Then start adding things back to the mix 1 by 1. Then when the fault occurs, you know what's causing it. What the devs are doing makes sense. That doesn't mean you have to like it, but that doesn't change the fact that their doing it the right way.

got yer point, lad, but it still depends on a goal, innit? do ye unscrew the entire engine to change a tire as a metaphor, cuz it looks from my point for now, that it's not the issue tuning as a goal - it's a destruction of eso mass pvp at all, by makin' it one click simple and unified as a result of pressure from around the rookie corner about full pve cyrodiil,cuz they die in there and that's upsettin'. so, the simple way -make it trash for skippin' the entire learn & practice the mechanics.

ye can't come to a ring/octagon if someone prefer that kind and beat the fighter without proper skill and training, innit? that's my point, and we're gettin' exactly this kinda stuff, where ye don't need skill for such endeavor anymore

It’s a test. For a week.

Thumbless_Bot · March 25

Trier_Sero wrote: »

It's the best pvp eso had ever. Please keep it permanently ZOS.

That's probably because no one has figured it out yet. Give it time and it will be 90% runnin the same cheeze, only with less lag.

Grizzbeorn · March 25

Juzz wrote: »

[it's a destruction of eso mass pvp at all, by makin' it one click simple and unified

That's where you are missing the point, laddie.
This is not a permanent situation.

They are TEMPORARILY (during the tests) turning things off/changing things to see what happens, in order to pin-point where the performance issues are so they can fix them.

Once they know which things are definitely causing issues THEN they will make actual production adjustments.

Just like a few people freaked-out during the last test, it is WAY too early to be getting bent out of shape over what they turn off or change while they are in TEST MODE.

freespirit · March 25

Instead of insisting this is not just a test but a sign that this is how Cyrodiil will ultimately end up maybe you could do some actual reading about what they are doing, why they are doing it and what they are trying to learn!

At the same time you will find it stated many times this is just a test, a stripped back template from which they hope to see if it is actually all the complex abilities that cause the current issues many people have atm in Cyrodiil.

Here's a starter for you to read!

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/674932

frogthroat · March 25

Dragonnord wrote: »

[snip]

Poe's law. Without any indication this is a joke or satire, it is impossible to distinguish from genuinely confused people. The same sentiment OP is saying here has been said many, many times the past couple of days. If you have 50 people saying the same thing, can you point out which one of them are genuine and which ones are trolling? And does is make any difference?

If someone is confused or just pretending to be confused makes no difference to me: I just treat them as if they are confused.

[edited to remove quote]