abkam wrote: »

Ezhh wrote: »

1. You are not a new player. Genuine new players are extremely unlikely to be ready for certain content at that CP and will have neither the experience nor equipment to pull their own weight.

2. There is making your own group and there is making your own group. You appear to be inviting randoms which isn't really different from solo queuing for a random dungeon. Maybe spend some time getting to know people in a guild or other community connected to the game. Then try to make a group from among those people, who ideally should now know a little bit about you and have an idea that you can play the game and will communicate and work with them.

1. No one kicked me for having low or high CP—I was kicked simply for not having Discord.
2. Players won’t let me join other groups on my low CP account, just because my CP is low. Even if I link achievements like partial HM or speed run, it’s still not good enough—just because of low CP. Whether you're a new or veteran player, it doesn't seem to matter.
3. When I make my own groups and say, for example, "I will kite" (vRG), they mock me and leave. By the way, this video is actually great. Can I post it? Can I? Please!

But yeah, as always… the game is amazing, no problems at all—unless you actually want to play it!

Are you a healer?

So just a TL:DR version.

Don't join endgaming groups (both PvP and PvE) if you're not willing to join Discord. Most group leaders mandate Discord (A free communication software that doesn't cost a single penny to use) because typing words can take a while and is not very sufficient. 99% of the time you don't even need to talk.. just listen to the instructions and follow your crown.

There is an easy option to avoid joining Discord, and that is to simply form your own groups... that way you can make your own rules.

If your CP is low... don't queue in for a veteran dungeon.. or vet trials... focus on normals ones until you have a good amount of CP.

abkam wrote: »

This is just another topic about the same issue as always. But now, I want to share more about something we all already know.

But before all of this, I have one question for the developers of ESO:

Do you even play the game you develop these days? Yes? Then what do you think about the multiplayer experience? Is it fun? Ah, you don’t play it either… okay, I truly understand you.

Now, let’s get to the point:
Every time someone comes to the forum to express their frustration about certain issues, like:

• "I can’t get the skill point from a quest" (because they run to boss, and I can’t even understand what I need to do or complete my quest.)
• "They’re gatekeeping my build."
• "They kick me out because of my low DPS."
• And so on…

The replies on the forum are always the same: “Create your own group.”

And I did just that. Even better, I recorded videos of my great experience in ESO as a new player. (Yeah, like I mentioned in another topic, I bought a new account, etc.)

As a new player:

• Other players don’t respect my quests in dungeons.
• I can’t join groups because I’m low CP.
• When I create my own group, this is what happens: people leave, or they ask others to leave.
  
  

And now… we even need Discord to play the game!

How amazing this game is for new players! They’re being gatekept because of their build, because of CP, and now… because they don’t have Discord!

I really want to show you all the amazing videos I recorded with my new account to highlight how bad this game is for new players. But guess what? I can’t even post an ESO video on the ESO forum. Why? Because of the rules—I’d get banned and gatekept from the forum too.

Isn’t that just great? xD

@You_know_this_is_meant_for_you.

I know you invited me to your guild, and we even talked a little. I’ll definitely return to your guild for sure. But right now, making all these videos is more fun.

If the developers don’t do anything to change the game, I really hope my YouTube videos make even a small difference for all the new players coming into ESO. I hope they think twice before buying the game. Because the truth is simple:

ESO in PvE? It’s okay—no challenge at all. Just doing quests and killing some zombies.

But the multiplayer part!? Oh, damn…

Let me prepare for the future, please. Do I need one Telegram account, or should I share my Facebook too?

First of all, You must join "decent guild" for "build" learning. They have discord chat tool mostly.

Second, newbie should not use random grouping. Use grouping tools or do it with guild member.

Third, DLC contents main quest will give you skill point. Or go delve of non DLC zone to get skyshard.

Regardless newbie or high CP, people will kick bad DPS if group are doing end-contents or some
high damage requiring mission(as some mech).

But part of agree, I hate everything "meta-build" of ESO combat as long term player of this game.
It's a ancient game design, not contemporary combat game.

abkam wrote: »

AvalonRanger wrote: »

First of all, You must join "decent guild" for "build" learning. They have discord chat tool mostly.

Second, newbie should not use random grouping. Use grouping tools or do it with guild member.

Third, DLC contents main quest will give you skill point. Or go delve of non DLC zone to get skyshard.

Regardless newbie or high CP, people will kick bad DPS if group are doing end-contents or some
high damage requiring mission(as some mech).

But part of agree, I hate everything "meta-build" of ESO combat as long term player of this game.
It's a ancient game design, not contemporary combat game.

Should I ask the lead this time to just kick them all? This is vRG (NO-HM), very, very end-game content and extremely hard.

...Oh my god. Are they all tank build?

abkam wrote: »

AvalonRanger wrote: »

First of all, You must join "decent guild" for "build" learning. They have discord chat tool mostly.

Second, newbie should not use random grouping. Use grouping tools or do it with guild member.

Third, DLC contents main quest will give you skill point. Or go delve of non DLC zone to get skyshard.

Regardless newbie or high CP, people will kick bad DPS if group are doing end-contents or some
high damage requiring mission(as some mech).

But part of agree, I hate everything "meta-build" of ESO combat as long term player of this game.
It's a ancient game design, not contemporary combat game.

Should I ask the lead this time to just kick them all? This is vRG (NO-HM), very, very end-game content and extremely hard.

I would have left that group.

I'm very confused what the real topic of this thread is supposed to be. Title is concern over the new player experience, but then OP and others start getting into new underleveled and geared players doing vet dungeons and trials?

You shouldn't even be thinking about Trials until you've spent a good year learning combat mechanics, gear sets, and group roles as well as building your character level. There's content progression in this game and People call Vet Dungeons and Trials, Endgame for a reason. I didn't even set foot inside my first Trial until my 2nd or 3rd year playing I think.

You want to make a legitimate point on the forums? Have an actual new player do this, rather than play "undercover boss" for a day to troll the forums.

It's obvious to me and a lot of other people that this was done in bad faith; clipped and anecdotal. Made by an experienced player to get a giggle at the expense of people on the forums as some kind of 'gotcha'.

As someone who has spent hours of their personal leisure time teaching new players how to play this game, not only do I understand how overwhelming it is to jump into ESO for the first time, but I can tell you without a doubt that what you've posted is so far off of the mark that it makes me wonder why you would put this amount of effort into it. Instead of sticking it to 'the gatekeepers' and grossly misrepresenting the new player experience, how about you actually take a new player aside and spend the actual time it takes coaching them how to weave light attacks, or which mundus is good to use, or the values of different stats, or anything that will actually contribute to making the game easier and more understandable for someone new. Not only does it take way more time and effort than I feel like you are willing to invest, it also requires an equal investment from the player in question and that's the critical piece you're missing with this experiment. Learning this game takes more time than you and a lot of other people are willing to appreciate. Now, when a brand new player with no Perfected Gear or Mythics wanders onto the forums and happens to find this thread, they are going to have two additional false assumptions about playing this game to unlearn:

1) At CP 160 you should be able to do everything you want to do and you can perform at the same level as people with over 2000 CP

2) ESO is filled with unhelpful people who constantly gatekeep new players

Thank you for such a profoundly negative contribution to the new player's experience and the perception of the ESO community

And for the record, if you can't be bothered to communicate with other people over Discord for the sake of strategy, organized multiplayer just isn't for you. The idea that this is gatekeeping is far and away the most ludicrous notion on the forums to date.

Alchimiste1 wrote: »

abkam wrote: »

valenwood_vegan wrote: »

My own experience is that I regularly see a lot of new players being treated respectfully and helped. Then again, they're actually new and interested in learning and progressing and starting from the beginning; not attempting to jump into end-game content while brand new in order to stir up trouble to make a point on the forums. So perhaps that leads to a bit of a different reaction, idk.

vKA = end-game oO? vTrials? vDungeons????
Tell me more please

valenwood_vegan wrote: »

"...Not attempting to jump into end-game content as a brand-new player just to stir up trouble and make a point on the forums. ..."

Of course, they all know I'm making these videos to post on the forum. Does that really make sense to you?

Wait , hang on. You are cp 181 , a new player, and want to jump into vKA and refuse to be in discord where people can communicate ? I think I can see why people might not have brought you along.

Also, the cp 200 players that you see clearing DLC vet trials are more than probably console transfers.

If you know the mechanics, have cleared it before , and provide a parse in sure guilds well take you along. But you also can’t really blame them for not bringing you if the raid wasn’t meant to be a prog.

Do you have a cmx of what you currently parse ?

Finally, I think if you can get to like cp 500( which shouldn’t take long) people will stop caring as long as you have good dps and know mechanics.

The OP is not a new player. They have a new account (they wrote it the opening post). But they say that their experience is the same as a new player would have (with which I disagree). A truly new lvl 181 player most likely would not be in vKA and would not have all the perfected gear and mythics that the OP said they already collected.

abkam wrote: »

What can I say, right? All noobs in this game. Pro players are all in Discord, running with their guildmates.

BUT ANYWAY, I’m getting tired of this, so I’m going to say what I think one more time about all of this:

We all agree that if we’re looking for serious content, endgame content, we need CP'S, DPS, Discord and logs. We all agree on this, right? PUGs don’t do endgame content. Correct? We all agree.

I disagree with this too.

I actually hate voice chat. I find most groups are too chatty and it gets us wiped a lot because someone randomly decides to share an anecdote about their neighbor mid-fight.

So I stopped playing in organized trials for a while and did only vet group finder pugs for about 2 months. The vast majority did not use voice chat. I only played in groups without voice chat, actually. And it was usually fine.

Occasionally, we'd run into mech issues. After a couple of wipes, the players who were stumbling on the mechs either leave or are kicked because they're not following instructions. These weren't training or prog or training groups, so it was fair.

Honestly, it was the most fun I had in ESO trials... but eventually they became boring, so I went back to organized groups.

Vet trials are very forgiving and voice chat is certainly optional.

The same applies to most hard modes too. If the players know the mechs and understand the same strat, then it's np without voice chat.

I've come to realize things have changed. Unlike my pvp groups 10 years ago who used teamspeak only for coordination purposes, many gamers today just love to chat with friends while playing games. Not only do they like it, it is intuitive to them in the post-zoom world.

abkam wrote: »

AvalonRanger wrote: »

...Oh my god. Are they all tank build?

What can I say, right? All noobs in this game. Pro players are all in Discord, running with their guildmates.





BUT ANYWAY, I’m getting tired of this, so I’m going to say what I think one more time about all of this:

We all agree that if we’re looking for serious content, endgame content, we need CP'S, DPS, Discord and logs. We all agree on this, right? PUGs don’t do endgame content. Correct? We all agree.
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No, maybe I will have log but I just want know this pug how terrible
but if you just in pug vet run, cp "meta set" and discord really not necessary
they want just because pug 90% time ppl is terrible
if zos delete cp and share dps add, pug just swap back to you post highest parse dps/meta build and no dead/speed run achievement link clean,the real new and bad player still got kick because they not have meta set and achievement

This really is something ZOS needs to fix!

Perhaps you are being treated a certain way because of the way you are behaving toward other players.

abkam wrote: »

Before you all start saying that CP200- players can't do vet trials or vet dungeons.

This is not only about skills. I know perfectly well that some people who are CP200 have a CP2000 character on other megaservers. It's about the CP itself and the tons of buffs/passives you miss when you only have 200 CP to distribute across three CP trees.

It's also about gear. Since you can't share items between two megaservers, there's a good chance you haven't been able to farm/buy/max out your sets.

And CP200 is something you reach REALLY quickly after the first 50 levels. So, if you're not from another megaserver, it means you've only spent a few hours in trials.

And yes, I know that a huge DPS isn't required to clear most of the high-level content. There are only a few DPS checks that you can cheese (for instance, you can have more than two DPS on vDSR bridges). But every group member would prefer to clear a trial with 800k DPS rather than 300k DPS, simply because it will take less time. That's it.

I agree, not a new player but when I roll a new toon I don't use my CP, nor give it any help at all. And explore. Dungeons are atrocious due to people running through even if you ask them to slow down.

Really needs to be a NO CP option for these, and I mean you have to be new enough to not have any CP, not have some and not use it but none at all.