My own experience is that I regularly see a lot of new players being treated respectfully and helped. Then again, they're actually new and interested in learning and progressing and starting from the beginning; not attempting to jump into end-game content while brand new in order to stir up trouble to make a point on the forums. So perhaps that leads to a bit of a different reaction, idk.

If you mean rnd or pug ,yes,In my exp,the pug run alway kick guys don't know mech/killed group and never see group chat or lowest Dps in log(alway bad than healer)/last is low cp and need you "kwtd"
but new player? I alway see good ppl teach/carry/help low cp in anything(WB/IA/dungreon/free craft set in my 3 guild or zone chat.
So I can't 100% agree you

abkam wrote: »

Thysbe wrote: »

abkam wrote: »

[*] When I create my own group, this is what happens: people leave, or they ask others to leave.

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for what content were those groups you created? vet raids or vet DLC Dungeons?

I created this group only for vet content. I can definitely do them!
If you're going to tell me I need CP to play this content, then this topic is 100% about you too.


P.S. I already have all my perfect gear farmed and all the mystics I need. I even link them when I have to.

My question, before they had the conversation and kicked you, were there any trash pulls?

People can tell if a DPS is lacking damage or skill issues by the way they approach trash. They can see your rotation. They can see how long it takes to down trash.

In some vet and DLC, no one wants to run into a wall because the dps can't keep up. They have been there before with a low CP player. Maybe you are good enough. Maybe not.

Try to empathize with them. Everyone has had a low CP player cause wipes. If I massively outgear the content, it doesn't matter who comes along.

You can get to 500cp in a week during an event with an xp scroll. Start there.

Hello! I'd just like to chime in here and kinda state my own opinion of the community and my experience here. I'm very new, just a baby player. Not even 3 months in the game yet. But my experience of the community has been AMAZING!!!

On day one, I wanted to do some fishing and asked where to get the worms for saltwater bait, and a player sent me 200 worms and a welcome to the game gift mail with 10000 gold and other goodies. Later I came here on the forums asking lots of questions about the game, and the help as well as responses were so overwhelming and helped me so much with the game! It's been amazing and wonderful the advice I've recieved! I've been helped when I ask questions, and pointed out when I'm not doing things right. Which is great. I need the help lol but I do know my way around an MMO. I'm new to ESO, but certainly not new to online games. So here's my two cents on your predicament OP.

If I'm getting messages about joining trails or dungeons saying that my CP is too low, then... I'd probably listen to them and level up some more. There's probably a reason? I just did a quick search online and the suggested CP for Vet trails is... 300 minimum CP. That's only for basic clearing. You need 500+ or even more for Trifectas. Now personally I would wait to reach that before trying because... I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO BE CARRIED. I want to participate in the group fully and not make the trial more difficult on everyone else. This MMO looks to be really number crunching when it comes to vet trials or end game content. When you play in a group imo you need to be aware of what you're bringing to the table in terms of DPS if you're a DPS. Think of the vet trial group as a single player having it's own singular DPS count taken from every person at once. You need to contribute positively to that DPS number.

When you're playing on your own, go ahead and do what you want! Absolutely! Even normal trials you personally can just do whatever, because really no one should care. But Vet? Or worse Achievement pushers? You need to be a TEAM player. Are you bringing the absolute best numbers to the team? Is your CP high enough that you don't need to be carried? Is your gear capable of giving you that extra DPS needed to help your TEAM out. You cannot think about what YOU want, or how YOU want to play when you are doing things as a TEAM. Everyone is coming in with their A Game on, and they don't want to carry anyone. Why should they? So here's some suggestions from me! That I'm planning on doing myself tbh when I start doing vet trials lol

1) use the target dummy. Funnily I do have one that dropped from my first crate. But it will tell you what your DPS is. Just use that to see what group content you can actually do. If it's below a certain par then reevaluate your CP or gear. Do not go into a Vet content below the required DPS threshold. It's not very nice to expect the group to carry your DPS.

2) ASK here what DMG or CP is needed for Vet Trials or Dungeons. Instead of saying how mean the community is to you, take a moment and go, "hey I keep getting kicked from trial groups. This is my CP, this is my gear, this is my DPS numbers from a target dummy, what do I need to do to stop getting kicked?". There's probably a reason why it's happening.

3) If they say you need to get different gear JUST for vet trials then I'd suggest doing that. Look... you need different gear for PvE and PvP content, to do the best you can do in those areas. It makes sense you might also need your own Vet Trial gear too. But by all means use whatever gear you want outside of that. Just think of it as different gear for different content of the game!

With the Discord stuff... It really depends on what you're trying to do. If you were in a trifecta group then I totally understand why they wanted Discord. Any hugely difficult content would need to use Discord to quickly communicate with the group. Because yet again you're acting as a TEAM. Normal stuff I don't see the need for. But End Game I would assume really needs communication and organization to complete. If it's anything like other MMOs end game group content.

Tbh OP you kinda sound like you want to do team content while also simultaneously not wanting to be apart of the team. You are not a single player in a group of 12. You are a part of a TEAM of players trying to clear a single goal. If you want to multiplayer content I would focus on how you can help the group, not yourself the best.

abkam wrote: »

ESO_player123 wrote: »

abkam wrote: »

Before you all start saying that CP200- players can't do vet trials or vet dungeons.

No one says that they never can, but most probably cannot.

Now, imagine new players...

How the hell are new players supposed to play this game if they can't parse with two bars and can't use Oakensoul? If they don’t have enough skill points but aren’t allowed to farm them in dungeons (the most efficient and fastest way)? If they have low DPS and low CP… Imagine being a new player trying to get into this game.

I'm having a really hard time just trying to play on my new account—a truly hard time. And now... I even need Discord. ^^

Since you added more to your post:

Most truly new players probably won't be farming perfected gear and all the mythics at lvl 181. You are doing it because you already know how to play the game. By the way, somehow new player managed to play the game before Oakensoul and even before mythics.

Is op know old pug/guild trial run alway need you have vma no dead(and speed?)clean and good parse Dps?
vet trial for real new one not"oh a trial with rng player? This will be fun"
because in old time this really is endgame part
if you are a new player and do 5-10k dps in real combat
and if all member is new or bad (2k cp but pvper),this pug end will wipe and give up
It why pug alway give up in last
and why guild teach run alway have some good member carry new

ESO is generally very good to new players, outside of the massive amount of content being pushed to them with little direction or how there is little to no information on how to impove provided in-game.

But that doesn't matter to OP cause it's very clear this is bait and they continue to troll/argue in poor faith

1. You are not a new player. Genuine new players are extremely unlikely to be ready for certain content at that CP and will have neither the experience nor equipment to pull their own weight.

2. There is making your own group and there is making your own group. You appear to be inviting randoms which isn't really different from solo queuing for a random dungeon. Maybe spend some time getting to know people in a guild or other community connected to the game. Then try to make a group from among those people, who ideally should now know a little bit about you and have an idea that you can play the game and will communicate and work with them.

abkam wrote: »

Jestir wrote: »

ESO is generally very good to new players, outside of the massive amount of content being pushed to them with little direction or how there is little to no information on how to impove provided in-game.

But that doesn't matter to OP cause it's very clear this is bait and they continue to troll/argue in poor faith

No doubt the forum perfectly represents the state of the game. No doubt they are made for each other.

So, I post screenshots of players gatekeeping low CPs, I post a screenshot of me getting kicked from a group because I don’t have Discord, and I post a screenshot of me "carrying" a CP 1900+ Arcanist to defend myself—and I’m the one trolling? Damn... no doubt the forum perfectly reflects the overall state of the game.

Because you connect two different things together
Pug not only kick new one