It was said they would revamp/rebalance alchemy and cooking...

olsborg · February 22

Any word on this? Making it more streamlined with the hybridization changes that happened a while back.

I would also like to add some toughts on cooking especially. How about some new recipies? Magic Dishes/Drinks. That for instance instead of adding only stats like hp/stam/mag and recovery stats, it also or instead added some stats and then like weapon and spelldmg, critical chance, penetration, speed or armor. Just a tought to spice up cooking.

Finedaible · February 22

What disappoints me with Provisioning is the lack of creativity. They could attach any number of unique buffs to all these redundant recipes they keep adding. Like say a food/drink that buffs pickpocketing chance, or one that reduces fall damage. How about a food/drink that increases chance to gather furnishing materials? A food/drink that gives you skill cost reduction? The possibilities are endless.

LootAllTheStuff · February 22

What I would really like are:

A "favourite" option, with corresponding filter entry for recipes
A "player level only" filter entry for recipes

That would make the existing cooking UI immensely.more usable.
They can add new recipes after they've done that!

Avran_Sylt · February 22

When did they say that?

But that'd be dope. But it would be a tall, tall order. If they approach it in the manner of trying to give every food it's own effect, and then approaching each meal as though combining the effects.

If they wanted to make it less.... Extensive while instead building on top of it...

They could try a form of "Food Alchemy" where you can combine Foods together (Meals) and Drinks together (Mixer) or Perhaps both together (Feast) that combines effects and Potentially adds new effects based on the Dish Type/Drink Types used. Sidestepping the ingredients themselves in favor of the smaller Dish Type category.

But that might just result in more bloat in the system.

And a whole refresh is another story. hmm.

Erickson9610 · February 23

Finedaible wrote: »

A food/drink that gives you skill cost reduction?

Pack Leader's Bone Broth reduces the cost of the Werewolf Transformation Ultimate (as well as its morphs) by 5%. It doesn't outright say that on the tooltip, though — the wording is "If you are a werewolf, the rich marrow will also slightly ease your transformation." — which is unfortunately very vague.

Long ago, that drink used to reduce the cost of all Werewolf abilities by 5%, but only while you were already transformed (meaning you never benefitted from the cost reduction to the Ultimate).

It'd be nice if that drink could reduce the cost of all Werewolf abilities again.

Renato90085 · February 23

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

When did they say that?

But that'd be dope. But it would be a tall, tall order. If they approach it in the manner of trying to give every food it's own effect, and then approaching each meal as though combining the effects.

If they wanted to make it less.... Extensive while instead building on top of it...

They could try a form of "Food Alchemy" where you can combine Foods together (Meals) and Drinks together (Mixer) or Perhaps both together (Feast) that combines effects and Potentially adds new effects based on the Dish Type/Drink Types used. Sidestepping the ingredients themselves in favor of the smaller Dish Type category.

But that might just result in more bloat in the system.

And a whole refresh is another story. hmm.

About a year ago,in stream

ChaoticWings3 · February 23

Finedaible wrote: »

What disappoints me with Provisioning is the lack of creativity. They could attach any number of unique buffs to all these redundant recipes they keep adding. Like say a food/drink that buffs pickpocketing chance, or one that reduces fall damage. How about a food/drink that increases chance to gather furnishing materials? A food/drink that gives you skill cost reduction? The possibilities are endless.

I really like this idea. Could also incorporate a buff like minor protection or minor berserk if you can't fit those buffs on your bar and want to have a different focus with other skill set ups.

said no one ever · February 23

How about plant based options without funky animal parts included in the recipe so our toons can be fully vegan. You have this option for many alchemy recipes. bugloss flower and mountain flower for a health recipe and so on. Food and drink should get the same considerations.

Finedaible · February 23

Erickson9610 wrote: »

Finedaible wrote: »

A food/drink that gives you skill cost reduction?

Pack Leader's Bone Broth reduces the cost of the Werewolf Transformation Ultimate (as well as its morphs) by 5%. It doesn't outright say that on the tooltip, though — the wording is "If you are a werewolf, the rich marrow will also slightly ease your transformation." — which is unfortunately very vague.

Long ago, that drink used to reduce the cost of all Werewolf abilities by 5%, but only while you were already transformed (meaning you never benefitted from the cost reduction to the Ultimate).

It'd be nice if that drink could reduce the cost of all Werewolf abilities again.

Yeah, I'm aware, and I think it is sad they don't do more stuff like those event recipes but available in other areas of the game year-round. My thoughts on that example was to provide players with a food or drink that offers general ability cost decrease (excluding ultimates) as an alternate to boosting recovery.

There's just not a lot of real choices for players to get creative with currently.

Finedaible · February 23

I'd like to see recipes with an elemental resistance buff too. Going to face frost damage? Eat up that warm hearty stew for frost resistance. Going to face fire? Drink down that icy mead.

Get creative.

Zur_Keshh · February 25

Perhaps these new recipes, in addition to unique benefits, could be found in ways that uniquely tie into each zone. For example, the effect from the giants' cheeses in Western Skyrim would make for a rather unique food buff, if made into a recipe. I'd imagine you could find it through picking up a lead after getting the achievement.

Then you could have others, like a recipe you get from looting dragons that grants buffs while fighting bosses.

Thumbless_Bot · February 25

I think we should have scribing but for recipes. This could incorporate giant cheese and elemental buffs debuffs etc.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/666673/scribing-but-for-recipes-with-a-drizzle-of-war-torte#latest

This would be a lot of fun.

SeaGtGruff · February 25

I hadn’t heard that Provisioning is going to be revamped, but one thing I think might be neat is if the effects or type of buffs would be determined by the specific ingredients, such as Apples having a few specific potential effects, Red Meat having a few specific potential effects, etc., similar to Alchemy ingredients. Then the particular buffs from a food or drink would depend on its ingredients, and the number of ingredients would affect how many different buffs could be obtained as well as their durations or strengths.

Of course, I doubt any changes of that magnitude could be implemented at this point in time, but it might have been interesting if it had been designed that way from the get to.

spartaxoxo · February 25

One provisioning recipe that really needs an update is the Hissmir Fish-Eye Rye. It was originally supposed to enhance fishing by telling us which holes were which, to take the guessing game out of the bait type needed. They then decided to make that feature base game as this element really didn't add much to the fishing activity. Now, that recipe is entirely outdated. I think it should give us an increased chance to catch the basic fish. Or maybe it could work like plentiful harvest for fish.

LadyGP · February 26

Thumbless_Bot wrote: »

I think we should have scribing but for recipes. This could incorporate giant cheese and elemental buffs debuffs etc.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/666673/scribing-but-for-recipes-with-a-drizzle-of-war-torte#latest

This would be a lot of fun.

The problem is, and Zos might not come out this direct and say it, but with each thing they add that has calculations they just compound their performance issues. I'd imagine internally there is a hard stop on the old approach of adding these complex things to the game and a shift in mindset on how they work - both in game and on the server.

Djennku · February 27

Pretty sure if anything, they haven't gotten there yet. I would keep an eye out in April and see what the announcement there is, and see if they mention it at all. As far as I am aware, it'll be something coming in the future.

opalcity · February 27

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

I hadn’t heard that Provisioning is going to be revamped, but one thing I think might be neat is if the effects or type of buffs would be determined by the specific ingredients, such as Apples having a few specific potential effects, Red Meat having a few specific potential effects, etc., similar to Alchemy ingredients. Then the particular buffs from a food or drink would depend on its ingredients, and the number of ingredients would affect how many different buffs could be obtained as well as their durations or strengths.

Of course, I doubt any changes of that magnitude could be implemented at this point in time, but it might have been interesting if it had been designed that way from the get to.

What about debuffs? Eat Baked Apples and you get -5% healing gained because they keep the doctors away.

Eat too much red meat and you get gout, reducing movement speed.

whitecrow · February 27

I wish we could use a food and a drink at the same time. Who eats food without a drink? Does anyone ever use the drinks?

DenverRalphy · February 27

whitecrow wrote: »

Does anyone ever use the drinks?

I do.

Dubious Camoran Throne
Jewels of Misrule <--- Cool Party Popper visual when you drink it.
Packleader's Bone Broth
Witchmother's Potent/Party Punches.

I use those often enough instead of wasting the bis foods on normal/non-hm content.

I think some people use the Bloody Maras as well (though I never have).

AllenaNightWood · February 27

id like to see you be able to have a food and drink buffs at same time

whitecrow · February 27

DenverRalphy wrote: »

whitecrow wrote: »

Does anyone ever use the drinks?

I do.
Dubious Camoran Throne

Jewels of Misrule <--- Cool Party Popper visual when you drink it.

Packleader's Bone Broth

Witchmother's Potent/Party Punches.

I use those often enough instead of wasting the bis foods on normal/non-hm content.

I think some people use the Bloody Maras as well (though I never have).

Ok, yeah, there are a handful of "special" drinks. But all the standard ones? Do people ever take the faster regeneration over the flat bonus?

Kahnak · February 27

whitecrow wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

whitecrow wrote: »

Does anyone ever use the drinks?

I do.
Dubious Camoran Throne

Jewels of Misrule <--- Cool Party Popper visual when you drink it.

Packleader's Bone Broth

Witchmother's Potent/Party Punches.

I use those often enough instead of wasting the bis foods on normal/non-hm content.

I think some people use the Bloody Maras as well (though I never have).

Ok, yeah, there are a handful of "special" drinks. But all the standard ones? Do people ever take the faster regeneration over the flat bonus?

Sure, for tanking or parsing DPS.

said no one ever · February 27

AllenaNightWood wrote: »

id like to see you be able to have a food and drink buffs at same time

when i first started playing i thought this was how it was. i just assumed it was.. imagine my shiock and horro when i found out it wasnt

SeaGtGruff · February 27

whitecrow wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

whitecrow wrote: »

Does anyone ever use the drinks?

I do.
Dubious Camoran Throne

Jewels of Misrule <--- Cool Party Popper visual when you drink it.

Packleader's Bone Broth

Witchmother's Potent/Party Punches.

I use those often enough instead of wasting the bis foods on normal/non-hm content.

I think some people use the Bloody Maras as well (though I never have).

Ok, yeah, there are a handful of "special" drinks. But all the standard ones? Do people ever take the faster regeneration over the flat bonus?

I generally use food rather than drink, but I prefer one that buffs Max Stam and Stam Recov at the same time (Lava Foot Soup and Saltrice).

Supreme_Atromancer · February 28

I'm not sure, but having unique appearances for unique potions would be really useful.

Artim_X · March 1

Buff everyone, let us have a drink and a food active at the same time hehe.

LalMirchi · March 1

"It was said they would revamp/rebalance alchemy and cooking... "

When was this said? What exactly was said? I cannot find any info on this when searching the forum.

olsborg · March 1

LalMirchi wrote: »

"It was said they would revamp/rebalance alchemy and cooking... "

When was this said? What exactly was said? I cannot find any info on this when searching the forum.

It was said on stream about a year ago.

LalMirchi · March 1

olsborg wrote: »

LalMirchi wrote: »

"It was said they would revamp/rebalance alchemy and cooking... "

When was this said? What exactly was said? I cannot find any info on this when searching the forum.

It was said on stream about a year ago.

Perhaps if links or actual text quotes are not readily to hand could you share some details of this promise?