I have checked this again.

My toon that did the opening quest and used the basin that used to be the pellenial boon, did so over 2 hours ago. I did a Bruma quest and the quest hand in stated "500 AP" as the reward. I got 500 AP... the singular amount that you would normally get.

I took that toon back to base and used the basin (that used to give the boon for double AP) and went back to Bruma and did another quest - once again, the reward stated "500 AP" - but when I handed it in, I got 1,000 AP (which is the double amount you SHOULD be getting with the 100% increase.

This buff is meant to be passive, but something has gone awry (maybe the hotfix on XP in overland etc has upset the applecart)... it's now the double AP boon like we used to have, except now we don't have a Pellenial scroll to us, and MUST go back to the basin every 2 hours - even though we cannot see when those two hours are up as the boon isn't in our character sheets like it used to be...

@ZOS_Kevin can we get a check on this please?

Just a thought, but one thing you might want to pay attention to in your testing is whether you've got the AP buff for killing a delve boss active when you turn in a town quest. Most town quests don't involve going into a delve, whereas some quests do-- although completing the requested task might not require killing a boss in the delve. So there might be many cases where you turn in a town quest but don't have the AP buff for killing a delve boss, and a few isolated cases where that particular buff is still active-- assuming you didn't wait too long before turning in the quest.

I mean, you did mention "without bonuses," so maybe you were already looking at all possible AP buffs, including the buff you get from killing a delve boss-- but you didn't specifically mention that one, so I'm just making sure it wasn't the culprit.

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The town dailies give a base reward of 250 AP. Example: https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Dangerously_Low

How much of an AP bonus were you getting from edge keeps and enemy keeps at the points in time you compared the rewards you got?

Was just about to follow up with this point. Thank you, @virtus753!

Also double checked with the team and everything is working as intended.

Again, I double checked this. What is usually stated as the reward is doubled in the actual rewards, correct? Sometimes when it’s high pop and no bonus, it is indeed 250 AP, as stated, this is the base reward without bonuses. However, I also was doing this when there was a bonus effective, and one that gives 500 AP per daily.

This was ratified by the fact I went back to base, got the buff from the basin, and voila… back to getting 1k per quest.

Once this character has their2 hour suspected buff disappear I’ll re-assess and screenshot to show. But I’m. To the only one who stated this in zone…

When you see the 500 AP quoted in the quest rewards, this is reflective of the double AP bonus: 250 (normal base value) + 250 (event bonus of 100%). It should not be doubled by the event alone to 1k. Any extra amount comes from buffs (Blessing of War, edge keep bonus, enemy keep bonus).

The buff is not applied by the basin.

Okay, so if what you’re saying is true, how come when I handed in my Welcome to Cyrodiil quest on a new toon I got double what the AP showed being given in the quest rewards? And how come after the basin I got exactly double what was being stated in the rewards? No delve boss buff active btw… brand new toon.

Here we go… sorry about screenshots. Taken from my twitch stream…

With the buff having run out….



Reward in bottom left I got…



Exactly what was stated….


Now…. Here we go. Basin used and back to same quest place, literally minutes apart…



Once again, same reward offered …. But now check out what I actually get….



Double… which is how it should work in the event with the buff active.

Hopefully this evidence clarifies what I’m saying.

Campaign may have additional AP modifiers active for your Alliance, such as Low Score or Low Population or castle capture bonuses.

You also get like 500 Alliance Points as quest reward, but actually earn 540. Which is like %8 more.

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virtus753 wrote: »

The town dailies give a base reward of 250 AP. Example: https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Dangerously_Low

How much of an AP bonus were you getting from edge keeps and enemy keeps at the points in time you compared the rewards you got?

Was just about to follow up with this point. Thank you, @virtus753!

Also double checked with the team and everything is working as intended.

Again, I double checked this. What is usually stated as the reward is doubled in the actual rewards, correct? Sometimes when it’s high pop and no bonus, it is indeed 250 AP, as stated, this is the base reward without bonuses. However, I also was doing this when there was a bonus effective, and one that gives 500 AP per daily.

This was ratified by the fact I went back to base, got the buff from the basin, and voila… back to getting 1k per quest.

Once this character has their2 hour suspected buff disappear I’ll re-assess and screenshot to show. But I’m. To the only one who stated this in zone…

When you see the 500 AP quoted in the quest rewards, this is reflective of the double AP bonus: 250 (normal base value) + 250 (event bonus of 100%). It should not be doubled by the event alone to 1k. Any extra amount comes from buffs (Blessing of War, edge keep bonus, enemy keep bonus).

The buff is not applied by the basin.

Okay, so if what you’re saying is true, how come when I handed in my Welcome to Cyrodiil quest on a new toon I got double what the AP showed being given in the quest rewards? And how come after the basin I got exactly double what was being stated in the rewards? No delve boss buff active btw… brand new toon.

Please also make sure you're not refreshing a War Torte when you revisit the base and basin. It shouldn't provide a boost to actual AP earned, but I have seen enough issues with UI in this game that I would always second guess abnormalities.

Other than that:

Both the Welcome to Cyrodiil quest and the town dailies already take into consideration the event bonus in the quoted values in their turn-in dialogues. Since you are always getting at least the quoted value, even if you sometimes get more, you are always benefiting from the event bonus. ZOS has also verified that event bonus is working.

The Welcome to Cyrodiil quest, for example, shows me I will get 6060 AP. I am on a Breton right now to get this figure, which is 202% of the base value of 3000. With the 7% Enemy Keep I bonus and two edge keep bonuses (16% total), I see 6480 quoted in the turn-in dialogue instead. Given that the Bonus screen is bugged so it doesn't show the edge keep bonuses, I believe they're consequently not factored into the quoted reward of 6480, which is 216% of the base value: the event is doubling the base 100% + 1% for being a Breton + 7% for the Enemy Keep I bonus. (The enemy keep bonus incorporates the 5% from the home keep bonus, which is a prerequisite for it.) But the game will give the edge keep bonus when it grants the actual AP.

For the base value of town dailies, here's a daily quest about to be turned in on PTS as of about an hour ago, with no event active and no racial bonus (Dunmer, not Breton), nor any home keep, edge keep, or enemy keep bonuses active:



The base reward is 250 AP. That means your event bonus has been working all this time, regardless of when you used the basin, as you've always been getting double AP when you've gotten your lower numbers (540+). It's not that you're missing out on AP when you see the lower numbers; you're getting much more than expected when you see your 1k+.

If it is indeed the basin doubling your gains for this quest and the town dailies, then you have found a significant exploit for ZOS to fix, as you would be getting 4x the normal amount rather than merely 2x between the basin and the event bonus. I hope they would have checked for this when they verified the bonus was working.

We'd also have to explain why the basin is enabling only you to get 4x the AP and not the rest of us. I've been unable to reproduce what you're saying about the basin so far.

On a character who had just turned in the event quest to Maera and therefore had just drunk from the basin, I was getting about 14k per keep take for several hours. (It was very consistently just under 14k.) That is a bit more than double the base non-event amount (6k minimum). It cannot possibly be the basin doubling the event value, which is what you claim to be seeing with your turn-ins, as I would have to be earning over 24k for that to be the case. The relatively small amount of extra AP (14k vs. 12k) will have come from a combination of our edge keep and enemy keep bonuses at the time, plus whatever few enemy kills there were. (I have not been to a Cyro delve in months on any character, so none of this testing involved Blessing of War.) During this time I was seeing between 3.8-3.9k for a resource take, which again is a bit more than double the normal minimum (1.5k). I was getting this double (not quadruple) AP for more than two hours from the time I drank from the basin, to which I never returned. I saw no difference in the AP gain at the two hour mark.

Now that was on a level 50 character on live, so to test lower levels (since you mentioned a new character), I took a level 10 into Cyrodiil on live and tried turning in town dailies. This character very recently turned 10 and had never seen Maera in game before today. I turned in my first town daily before using the basin. Then I did Maera's quest, for which I had to use the basin, and completed another town daily immediately after that.

For both quests, before and after the basin, I was quoted 550 AP for turning it in, but I was awarded 638 AP in both cases. The basin changed nothing. The map did not change during this time, so neither did the rewards.

While there are innumerable bugs, and I suppose it's always possible there's one so specific it is affecting only you so far but no one else that we know of yet, there are also other possibilities that could account for the 1.3k figure you see for that town daily. What you've shown in your screenshots is a cumulative tracker that not only rounds your gains to the nearest hundreds of AP earned (making it difficult to pin down the specifics) but also fails to list how many sources went into that gain and how much AP was earned from each. You could, for example, have gotten credit for a kill (i.e. anyone whom you damaged died, even if you weren't around to see it) or for healing an ally. In my testing, I happened to get a defense tick while turning in a town daily, but I was able to differentiate that from the quest reward because I have an add-on printing my specific gains (to the single digits) in chat so I can tell exactly how much AP I earned from each source. There's unfortunately just too little information given by that native game tracker to figure out exactly how much you earned from the quest and how the game calculated it, and I haven't been able to reproduce the basin as the source of any unexpected AP gain so far.

What platform are you playing on?

I also have been wondering if it's working correctly

Yeah it seems like the dticks aren't working correctly, but I have no evidence to back it up. Something seems off with the bonus AP.

belial5221_ESO wrote: »

Normal quest turnins are about 250AP,give or take some for bonuses.Double AP event gives about 500,give or take depending on bonuses.Ususally if you see about 1k,it's cause of low pop bonus.I see it working fine on both PCNA and PCEU.Sometimes it's hard to know if you going by taking keeps,killing players,etc with random AP amounts.

This is exactly what happened to me just now.

I turned in "Capture Castle Alessia" and was promised 6k AP. I got 13,200. We have low pop bonus.

ETA: We were at 3 bars when we had low pop, so looking at the bars alone is not at all a reliable way to tell if you have the bonus or not.