[Request] I want vampire skin disable switch for nicer character appearance seriously

AvalonRanger · February 16

Technically, the fur and scales is dead tissue already. (But keep growing beneath the skin though)
So, vamp appearance only effect against live tissue of skin, but not for fur and scales.

Elvenheart · February 18

Just an FYI, the Arctic Rime skin is going to be in the crown store for just two more days for 40 gems if anybody needs it to hide their vampirism! 💎 🧛‍♂️ 💎

Edited to add: there’s an old thread called “PSA - New Arctic Rime skin hides vampirism!!!” You can find searching in Google that shows a lot of before and after pictures. I can’t remember how to link threads.

AvalonRanger · February 18

Elvenheart wrote: »

Just an FYI, the Arctic Rime skin is going to be in the crown store for just two more days for 40 gems if anybody needs it to hide their vampirism! 💎 🧛‍♂️ 💎

Edited to add: there’s an old thread called “PSA - New Arctic Rime skin hides vampirism!!!” You can find searching in Google that shows a lot of before and after pictures. I can’t remember how to link threads.

Yea, currently I use that skin. Still lost most of texture, but better than default.

Hollyniss · February 18

Elvenheart wrote: »

Just an FYI, the Arctic Rime skin is going to be in the crown store for just two more days for 40 gems if anybody needs it to hide their vampirism! 💎 🧛‍♂️ 💎

Edited to add: there’s an old thread called “PSA - New Arctic Rime skin hides vampirism!!!” You can find searching in Google that shows a lot of before and after pictures. I can’t remember how to link threads.

I have that skin as well, don't like it honestly as it hides most of the textures, details, and colors as well. Bottom line is; we shouldn't HAVE to use a skin. Give us a toggle on/off option (like they do EVERYTHING else). I rather they update/overhaul the vampire appearance and give us the toggle until they can work on overhauling their appearance.

Also, you just HAD to show Twilight...lol. The lamest 'vampires' in the history of films or books...

Then again, seeing as how our vampires don't burn in the sun and also lack fangs, they're closer than I thought...THANK GOD they don't SPARKLE...lol

SilverBride · February 18

Elvenheart wrote: »

...there’s an old thread called “PSA - New Arctic Rime skin hides vampirism!!!” You can find searching in Google that shows a lot of before and after pictures. I can’t remember how to link threads.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/465577/psa-new-arctic-rime-skin-hides-vampirism/p1

Elvenheart · February 18

Hollyniss wrote: »

Elvenheart wrote: »

Just an FYI, the Arctic Rime skin is going to be in the crown store for just two more days for 40 gems if anybody needs it to hide their vampirism! 💎 🧛‍♂️ 💎

Edited to add: there’s an old thread called “PSA - New Arctic Rime skin hides vampirism!!!” You can find searching in Google that shows a lot of before and after pictures. I can’t remember how to link threads.

I have that skin as well, don't like it honestly as it hides most of the textures, details, and colors as well. Bottom line is; we shouldn't HAVE to use a skin. Give us a toggle on/off option (like they do EVERYTHING else). I rather they update/overhaul the vampire appearance and give us the toggle until they can work on overhauling their appearance.

Also, you just HAD to show Twilight...lol. The lamest 'vampires' in the history of films or books...
Then again, seeing as how our vampires don't burn in the sun and also lack fangs, they're closer than I thought...THANK GOD they don't SPARKLE...lol

Until the new Sparkle skin comes out! (Honestly, I don’t know if one is in the works or not, I’m just guessing there might be at some point based on everything else we have!) ✨

Elvenheart · February 18

SilverBride wrote: »

Elvenheart wrote: »

...there’s an old thread called “PSA - New Arctic Rime skin hides vampirism!!!” You can find searching in Google that shows a lot of before and after pictures. I can’t remember how to link threads.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/465577/psa-new-arctic-rime-skin-hides-vampirism/p1

Thank you!!

Hollyniss · February 18

Elvenheart wrote: »

Hollyniss wrote: »

Elvenheart wrote: »

Just an FYI, the Arctic Rime skin is going to be in the crown store for just two more days for 40 gems if anybody needs it to hide their vampirism! 💎 🧛‍♂️ 💎

Edited to add: there’s an old thread called “PSA - New Arctic Rime skin hides vampirism!!!” You can find searching in Google that shows a lot of before and after pictures. I can’t remember how to link threads.

I have that skin as well, don't like it honestly as it hides most of the textures, details, and colors as well. Bottom line is; we shouldn't HAVE to use a skin. Give us a toggle on/off option (like they do EVERYTHING else). I rather they update/overhaul the vampire appearance and give us the toggle until they can work on overhauling their appearance.

Also, you just HAD to show Twilight...lol. The lamest 'vampires' in the history of films or books...
Then again, seeing as how our vampires don't burn in the sun and also lack fangs, they're closer than I thought...THANK GOD they don't SPARKLE...lol

Until the new Sparkle skin comes out! (Honestly, I don’t know if one is in the works or not, I’m just guessing there might be at some point based on everything else we have!) ✨

Don't give them any ideas, lol. It honestly wouldn't surprise me though at this point...

Warhawke_80 · February 18

Sure...I'm for this if Vampires lose all of their abilities... otherwise it's all reward/no detriment

or

How about this...
Vampires can hide their appearance unless they are detected by another PC/NPC
In towns detection is increased by 60%

Once detected the Vampire becomes full PVP/Full loot

That way Vampires get to hide their appearance but it comes with consequences which this game sorely lacks.

Hollyniss · February 18

Warhawke_80 wrote: »

Sure...I'm for this if Vampires lose all of their abilities... otherwise it's all reward/no detriment

or

How about this...
Vampires can hide their appearance unless they are detected by another PC/NPC
In towns detection is increased by 60%

Once detected the Vampire becomes full PVP/Full loot

That way Vampires get to hide their appearance but it comes with consequences which this game sorely lacks.

Somehow, I just don't see that happening (thankfully). Besides, you can already use skins to hide vampirism with no consequences...this would be no different. Just a nice toggle on/off option for vampires (which is lore-friendly). The option wouldn't hurt anyone if it was added, lol. Maybe vampires should be able to feed on other players (open world) in order to kill and loot them.

Warhawke_80 · February 18

Hollyniss wrote: »

Warhawke_80 wrote: »

Sure...I'm for this if Vampires lose all of their abilities... otherwise it's all reward/no detriment

or

How about this...
Vampires can hide their appearance unless they are detected by another PC/NPC
In towns detection is increased by 60%

Once detected the Vampire becomes full PVP/Full loot

That way Vampires get to hide their appearance but it comes with consequences which this game sorely lacks.

Somehow, I just don't see that happening (thankfully). Besides, you can already use skins to hide vampirism with no consequences...this would be no different. Just a nice toggle on/off option for vampires (which is lore-friendly). The option wouldn't hurt anyone if it was added, lol. Maybe vampires should be able to feed on other players (open world) in order to kill and loot them.

Sure add a infamy mechanic to the Vampire which will increase the reward for whomever stakes the Blood sucker and I'm there.

Anything to relive the monotony of dailies and boring quests.

Taril · February 18

Warhawke_80 wrote: »

Sure...I'm for this if Vampires lose all of their abilities... otherwise it's all reward/no detriment

The detriment still exists. They still get the negative effects of being vampires (Taking more Fire damage, increased non-Vampire skill costs, weakness to Fighter's Guild abilities)

They still have all their Vampire skills remain Criminal Acts.

Looking like they're smothered in Sun Block and someone replaced their eye drops with Tabasco Sauce isn't supposed to be a "Detriment" outside of Stage 4 where people become hostile due to the very apparent nature of their vampirism.

At stages 1-3 characters are supposed to look normal enough that NPC's don't think twice about them.

Warhawke_80 wrote: »

That way Vampires get to hide their appearance but it comes with consequences which this game sorely lacks.

Vampirism in TES has never really had consequences besides that of not being able to become a Werewolf.

All the detriment of Vampirism was down to the negatives associated with it (Reduced regeneration, damage in sunlight, increased fire damage taken) with only Stage 4 causing NPC's to become hostile (At least until Dawnguard in Skyrim where this was removed so you only got hostile NPC when using the Vampire Lord transformation)

Just like how Werewolf has never had detriment associated with it besides its negatives (More damage from Silver, more damage from Poison... Smelling like Wet Fur constantly) and NPC only react if you actively transform into a werewolf.

It's one of the main reasons why such diseases are so popular. The games make it very easy to become a vampire/werewolf with its lack of consequences (Even more so in ESO where a cure is simply a single conversation away) thus more people opt for it as it's not a significant decision to make.

Hurbster · February 18

Make it a skill that you have to slot to hide your vampirism.

NotaDaedraWorshipper · February 19

Hurbster wrote: »

Make it a skill that you have to slot to hide your vampirism.

That would be horrible and not make much sense. The actionbar is limited enough as it is and should not be for some cosmetic thing.

onyxorb · February 19

The issue with using a skin to hide vampirism, is that now I can't use a skin I 'like' on that toon. Really takes away from the fun of playing a vampire.

Also the whole stage 4 and no merchants talk to you bit is ridiculous. WW's can hide what they are , but I, in my 100% human skin can't? How are they determining this? you saying wet dog fur isn't as obvious as whatever they're detecting on me?

Would be really great to have a toggle in the outfit station for showing vampirism or hiding it, make us earn it with tickets like 'hide shoulders'. Just give us the option.

Also, give us a toggle setting for 'merchants shun you at Stage 4', it hinders game play for most people, and seems more of a roleplay type setting, so it should 'be' a setting.

This is one of my vamp toons at stage 4 , using the peacock skin and long sleeves

She used to be fun to play in basic PVE stuff as a mist tank, but now she has no use, as every patch they seem to nerf vampirism more and more, and just leave us with the ugly skin, and no one talking to us 'perks'

Seriously, she looks like THIS, but still can't interact with merchants?

onyxorb · February 19

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

Hurbster wrote: »

Make it a skill that you have to slot to hide your vampirism.

That would be horrible and not make much sense. The actionbar is limited enough as it is and should not be for some cosmetic thing.

EXACTLY!!! We already have to slot a skill just to talk to merchants at Stage 4...

Meanwhile our carnivorous WW cousins get to stroll around with no detriments.
Not to mention all the mages dragging around daedric 'servants' blocking up all the shops and banks.

Vampires are the only ones with detriments to interactions and overall appearance.

Well, other than nightblade vampires with grim focus slotted.

Elvenheart · February 19

onyxorb wrote: »

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

Hurbster wrote: »

Make it a skill that you have to slot to hide your vampirism.

That would be horrible and not make much sense. The actionbar is limited enough as it is and should not be for some cosmetic thing.

EXACTLY!!! We already have to slot a skill just to talk to merchants at Stage 4...

Meanwhile our carnivorous WW cousins get to stroll around with no detriments.
Not to mention all the mages dragging around daedric 'servants' blocking up all the shops and banks.

Vampires are the only ones with detriments to interactions and overall appearance.

Well, other than nightblade vampires with grim focus slotted.

Sadly, my Redblades ARE my vampires, so double whammy 😫

NotaDaedraWorshipper · February 19

onyxorb wrote: »

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

Hurbster wrote: »

Make it a skill that you have to slot to hide your vampirism.

That would be horrible and not make much sense. The actionbar is limited enough as it is and should not be for some cosmetic thing.

EXACTLY!!! We already have to slot a skill just to talk to merchants at Stage 4...

Meanwhile our carnivorous WW cousins get to stroll around with no detriments.
Not to mention all the mages dragging around daedric 'servants' blocking up all the shops and banks.

Vampires are the only ones with detriments to interactions and overall appearance.

Well, other than nightblade vampires with grim focus slotted.

I mean werewolves can't be seen as werewolves unless shapeshifted and then they can't interact with merchants.

There's also nothing illegal or seen as monstrous, like vampires and werebeasts are, about mages summoning daedra. It's a perfectly fine practice for them to do in most of Tamriel (Summerset being like the only exception).

Vampires should be able to hide their condition though with an "illusion" skin, option or something, that would make stage 4 vampires also able to interact with merchants, because that's extremely common for vampires in Elder Scrolls to do.

ArchMikem · February 19

Vampirism is supposed to be a curse, with consequences.

Hollyniss · February 19

ArchMikem wrote: »

Vampirism is supposed to be a curse, with consequences.

Which is why they take extra flame damage, regenerate health at a decreased rate, and are unable to interact with most nps at sage 4 (without 'Mesmerize'). Vampires can hide their appearance (Verandis). If appearance was supposed to be part of the 'consequences,' why can they use skins? Plus, being 'well fed' was supposed to negate this issue to a certain degree. But, with Greymoor it kind of messed that up a bit...

spartaxoxo · February 19

Hollyniss wrote: »

If appearance was supposed to be part of the 'consequences,' why can they use skins?

Their appearance is a curse. Skins aren't canon so NPCs don't react to the particular skin. It's just something for the player to enjoy. They can use them so that they don't have to look at their character's curse or to show an accomplishment or whatever.

Hollyniss · February 19

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Hollyniss wrote: »

If appearance was supposed to be part of the 'consequences,' why can they use skins?

Their appearance is a curse. Skins aren't canon so NPCs don't react to the particular skin. It's just something for the player to enjoy. They can use them so that they don't have to look at their character's curse or to show an accomplishment or whatever.

Which is why the 'toggle' should still be doable...it'd be the same as using a skin...
Also, if you read excerpts about vampires in-game (journals/letters) they're described as looking beautiful/alluring (albeit pale, which only adds to their beauty in order to 'attract' prey), not monstrous. Which would either suggest an illusion to hide their more monstrous attributes/features or vampires are supposed to be attractive for the reason previously stated.

NotaDaedraWorshipper · February 19

ArchMikem wrote: »

Vampirism is supposed to be a curse, with consequences.

It has consequences.

Getting different looks for the badly done vampire overlay is not removing consequences, especially not in Elder Scrolls when almost every vampire uses illusion and stuff to hide their vampirism.

Hollyniss wrote: »

Plus, being 'well fed' was supposed to negate this issue to a certain degree. But, with Greymoor it kind of messed that up a bit...

I feel like a broken record repeating this, but it is strictly a trait of the Cyrodiilic Order strain of vampires that are completely or close to capable of hide their vampirism through being well fed. Which players are not. Although the game's vampire appearance doesn't really fit Lamae's strain either.

spartaxoxo · February 19

Hollyniss wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Hollyniss wrote: »

If appearance was supposed to be part of the 'consequences,' why can they use skins?

Their appearance is a curse. Skins aren't canon so NPCs don't react to the particular skin. It's just something for the player to enjoy. They can use them so that they don't have to look at their character's curse or to show an accomplishment or whatever.

Which is why the 'toggle' should still be doable...it'd be the same as using a skin...
Also, if you read excerpts about vampires in-game (journals/letters) they're described as looking beautiful (albeit pale, which only adds to their beauty in order to 'attract' prey), not monstrous. Which would either suggest an illusion to hide their more monstrous attributes/features or vampires are supposed to be attractive for the reasons listed above.

https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Vampire

Where does it say they are beautiful? There are different strains and they have different looks, weaknesses, and abilities, and state of feeding.

Elvenheart · February 19

Lamae: “I’m going to use my skills in alchemy to make my pure strain of vampirism directly from the blood of Molag Bal even more powerful!”

End result: More hideous looking blood fiend-like beings than npc blood fiends, with less powerful skills than any npc vampires in the game.

Hollyniss · February 19

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Vampirism is supposed to be a curse, with consequences.

It has consequences.

Getting different looks for the badly done vampire overlay is not removing consequences, especially not in Elder Scrolls when almost every vampire uses illusion and stuff to hide their vampirism.

Hollyniss wrote: »

Plus, being 'well fed' was supposed to negate this issue to a certain degree. But, with Greymoor it kind of messed that up a bit...

I feel like a broken record repeating this, but it is strictly a trait of the Cyrodiilic Order strain of vampires that are completely or close to capable of hide their vampirism through being well fed. Which players are not. Although the game's vampire appearance doesn't really fit Lamae's strain either.

I don't think they ever fully explain or detail how the Lamae strain is supposed to look. Also, it was stated (by Lamae herself) others of their kin (same strain) are blending in with society. A wolf among the sheep. How are they able to do that with their current appearance? Answer; either illusion, being 'well-fed' or less monstrous than other varieties or strains.

Regardless, I feel they screwed that up with the addition of Greymoor (appearing more monstrous after feeding)...

Hollyniss · February 19

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Hollyniss wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Hollyniss wrote: »

If appearance was supposed to be part of the 'consequences,' why can they use skins?

Their appearance is a curse. Skins aren't canon so NPCs don't react to the particular skin. It's just something for the player to enjoy. They can use them so that they don't have to look at their character's curse or to show an accomplishment or whatever.

Which is why the 'toggle' should still be doable...it'd be the same as using a skin...
Also, if you read excerpts about vampires in-game (journals/letters) they're described as looking beautiful (albeit pale, which only adds to their beauty in order to 'attract' prey), not monstrous. Which would either suggest an illusion to hide their more monstrous attributes/features or vampires are supposed to be attractive for the reasons listed above.

https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Vampire

Where does it say they are beautiful? There are different strains and they have different looks, weaknesses, and abilities, and state of feeding.

I said from various excerpts (via letters and journals) IN-GAME. There's a journal in Auridon Mage's Guild (Aluvus' Journal) that states he saw the most enchanting looking woman in a tavern "her skin so pale it almost seemed to glow, and her lips... her lips the most delicious ruby red" (the woman in question being a vampire). There's also letters in Rivenspire about a handsome pale man, who's also revealed to be a vampire. They relate to delves in their respective areas/zones (Ondil and Erokii Ruins). In those excerpts there was NO MENTION of popping veins, crazy eyes, ect.

It was also stated by Lamae that the other 'vampires' (bloodfiends) you run into are pitiful creatures that are plagued with a 'disease.' They are lesser. Not 'true vampires.' We are above that. Or at least we're supposed to be. Yet we look like mindless bloodfiends...

Regardless this isn't really the point of OP's thread, they just want a toggle option. It doesn't hurt anyone if one is added. They're not asking for their consequences to be removed (reduced healing, greater skill cost, increased fire damage, ect). At the end of the day, it'd be no different from using a skin.

spartaxoxo · February 19

Hollyniss wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Hollyniss wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Hollyniss wrote: »

If appearance was supposed to be part of the 'consequences,' why can they use skins?

Their appearance is a curse. Skins aren't canon so NPCs don't react to the particular skin. It's just something for the player to enjoy. They can use them so that they don't have to look at their character's curse or to show an accomplishment or whatever.

Which is why the 'toggle' should still be doable...it'd be the same as using a skin...
Also, if you read excerpts about vampires in-game (journals/letters) they're described as looking beautiful (albeit pale, which only adds to their beauty in order to 'attract' prey), not monstrous. Which would either suggest an illusion to hide their more monstrous attributes/features or vampires are supposed to be attractive for the reasons listed above.

https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Vampire

Where does it say they are beautiful? There are different strains and they have different looks, weaknesses, and abilities, and state of feeding.

I said from various excerpts (via letters and journals) IN-GAME. There's a journal in Auridon Mage's Guild (Aluvus' Journal) that states he saw the most enchanting looking woman in a tavern "her skin so pale it almost seemed to glow, and her lips... her lips the most delicious ruby red" (the woman in question being a vampire). There's also letters in Rivenspire about a handsome pale man, who's also revealed to be a vampire. They relate to delves in their respective areas/zones (Ondil and Erokii Ruins). In those excerpts there was NO MENTION of popping veins, crazy eyes, ect.

Regardless this isn't really the point of OP's thread, they just want a toggle option. It doesn't hurt anyone if one is added. They're not asking for their consequences to be removed (reduced healing, greater skill cost, increased fire damage, ect). At the end of the day, it'd be no different from using a skin.

UESP is just a collection of most of everything said in-game. It's not an official website with different information. Those examples are of a particular individual being attracted to a particular vampire, rather than beauty generally being a power of vampires to attract prey. Lady Llereya for example has powerful seduction magic. The player does too with the mesmerize skill. It can halt enemies in their tracks or mask your monstrous looks, which you can then use to trade with a merchant.

Anyway, I don't have an issue with some new earnable skin being added for vamps to appear more beautiful. But, I don't think the performance hit for a toggle for that is worth it. Mesmerize is already available and lore friendly for trade and the looks don't interface with gameplay otherwise.

Elvenheart · February 19

I like the idea of a “mortal skin” instead of a toggle to hide vampirism because it just sounds simpler.

NotaDaedraWorshipper · February 19

Hollyniss wrote: »

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Vampirism is supposed to be a curse, with consequences.

It has consequences.

Getting different looks for the badly done vampire overlay is not removing consequences, especially not in Elder Scrolls when almost every vampire uses illusion and stuff to hide their vampirism.

Hollyniss wrote: »

Plus, being 'well fed' was supposed to negate this issue to a certain degree. But, with Greymoor it kind of messed that up a bit...

I feel like a broken record repeating this, but it is strictly a trait of the Cyrodiilic Order strain of vampires that are completely or close to capable of hide their vampirism through being well fed. Which players are not. Although the game's vampire appearance doesn't really fit Lamae's strain either.

I don't think they ever fully explain or detail how the Lamae strain is supposed to look. Also, it was stated (by Lamae herself) others of their kin (same strain) are blending in with society. A wolf among the sheep. How are they able to do that with their current appearance? Answer; either illusion, being 'well-fed' or less monstrous than other varieties or strains.

Regardless, I feel they screwed that up with the addition of Greymoor (appearing more monstrous after feeding)...

No, it's not explained how its supposed to look, but when they did the change of making vampires stages go up when feeding, that matches what Lamae says (Feeding equals powers, which is the opposite of other known strains), they were also going to change the look to be more "blood filled" to match both of those. But people disliked it so they didn't go through with the change.
And as I said, the others who blend in use illusion or such to look mortal, they aren't just well fed, that's exclusive to the Cyrodiil Order vampires.

They should just make the blood filled one a skin, along with an illusion/mortal one. Same goes for other vampire strains. It looks lazy when all vampires no matter what strain they have use the same old and dated vampire look.