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Gold Spammers Stealing Credit Cards? That an awful lot of stolen credit cards.
Cainthelongshot
Soul Shriven
I want to know if your server has been hacked by these bot creators. I don't see how they can afford the amount of accounts that i see running around simultaneously. I hear in game zone chat everyone saying that the gold spammers just steal credit cards. I do not see that as even a remote possibility, for more reasons than I care to spend my time listing. My only theory is they have hacked your server and can freely create accounts as often and as frequently as they please. They also seem to have special access to the server getting to places like cold harbour at lvl 3 and teleporting to resource nodes around the world map. if your server is hacked i feel like we have a right to know since you do have the personal information of all your customers. We pay our subscription fees, it does not bode well for you if your customers believe the biggest scammers and problem causers in this game can access it all for free while hindering the gameplay of your paying subscribers. If this is not the case, and the stealing of credit cards is the only explanation for the creation of so many bogus accounts please confirm. Otherwise, please tell us how its possible for the gold farming companies to create so many new accounts daily. or do you just log the bots out and not actually ban or delete the accounts linked with these gold farmers and spammers?
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Saerydoth✭✭✭✭This is a multi-BILLION (as in
$/year business, run by organized crime cartels. They are NOT just in ESO, and they do NOT just steal credit cards from ESO players. They have a LOT of stolen credit cards, and a LOT of stolen accounts across MANY MMO's.
So yes, they are using stolen credit cards to create accounts. You're acting like they have only stolen accounts from ESO players. They operate all over the internet and have for years, ESO is just the latest thing they dedicate a few of their computers to.4 -
class101✭✭✭I believe most of them are the guys running fake site like wow battle.net asking for your cc informations, smart people don't realize they are on a fake site and give them the cc informations for free..1 -
The question has been asked several times before, & moderators close the thread "Without answering"
Which is in itself an answer I've come to learn in 45+ years of living.
There is too-much money involved to ban accounts,
....& too few players in the game to show Bethesda they have produced what they were contracted to.
This = No account bans on bots.3 -
Saerydoth✭✭✭✭I believe most of them are the guys running fake site like wow battle.net asking for your cc informations, smart people don't realize they are on a fake site and give them the cc informations for free..
That's one way they do it. They don't just run fake WOW sites though, they run fake sites ALL OVER the internet, impersonating gaming companies, banks, retailers, everything. Another way they do it is by stealing credit cards from their "customers" that they sell gold to.
This isn't just a group of teenagers in a basement stealing ESO accounts. This is a MASSIVE organized crime cartel that pulls in billions of dollars a year, and is all over the internet with their hands in every online game.0 -
Reenlister✭✭✭I dunno lads.. It does seem to be a lot of cards...
Eh, hard to say.
All I can say is that for now, the bots have powned ESO...
( Actually they are going so far as T bagging it here to.. )1 -
Saerydoth✭✭✭✭Reenlister wrote: »I dunno lads.. It does seem to be a lot of cards...
Eh, hard to say.
All I can say is that for now, the bots have powned ESO...
( Actually they are going so far as T bagging it here to.. )
Of course it is a lot of cards. These are organized crime cartels that have existed for years, and have been harvesting credit card information for just as long. They operate in EVERY MMO (it's all the same people). A few thousand stolen credit cards is nothing to them.0 -
Reenlister✭✭✭Reenlister wrote: »I dunno lads.. It does seem to be a lot of cards...
Eh, hard to say.
All I can say is that for now, the bots have powned ESO...
( Actually they are going so far as T bagging it here to.. )
Of course it is a lot of cards. These are organized crime cartels that have existed for years, and have been harvesting credit card information for just as long. They operate in EVERY MMO (it's all the same people). A few thousand stolen credit cards is nothing to them.
Nay its not.
My point is they own the game.
"All your motif and node belong to us"
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class101✭✭✭
Where did I say they just run wow site, "like wow battle.net" means it's an example, so calm your nerv no need to rage about0 -
Saerydoth✭✭✭✭Reenlister wrote: »Reenlister wrote: »I dunno lads.. It does seem to be a lot of cards...
Eh, hard to say.
All I can say is that for now, the bots have powned ESO...
( Actually they are going so far as T bagging it here to.. )
Of course it is a lot of cards. These are organized crime cartels that have existed for years, and have been harvesting credit card information for just as long. They operate in EVERY MMO (it's all the same people). A few thousand stolen credit cards is nothing to them.
Nay its not.
My point is they own the game.
"All your motif and node belong to us"
Not just this game, every online game. Go to the WOW forums sometime and do a search for "bot". Keep in mind, WOW has been running for 10 years, and Blizzard has thrown a LOT more money/resources at combatting botting than ZOS has so far. And botting/gold selling is still extremely common there.0 -
Dita✭✭✭"Begun the Bot Wars has"1 -
CainthelongshotSoul ShrivenReenlister wrote: »I dunno lads.. It does seem to be a lot of cards...
Eh, hard to say.
All I can say is that for now, the bots have powned ESO...
( Actually they are going so far as T bagging it here to.. )
Of course it is a lot of cards. These are organized crime cartels that have existed for years, and have been harvesting credit card information for just as long. They operate in EVERY MMO (it's all the same people). A few thousand stolen credit cards is nothing to them.
Do you think when these "cartels" steal credit cards the victim just decides not to cancel it? When the card is cancelled and fraud is reported the subscription will be cancelled, thus causing that bot to no longer exsist. Sure they can take time out of their busy day of cocaine smuggling and human trafficking to steal a couple hundred credit cards, but how many of those do you think are cancelled when fraud is detected. and if they use these stolen cards for so many different things I don't see that leaving 100's of cards exclusively for the creation of an ESO account.0 -
YourNameHere✭✭✭You do realize, in China the government backs the gold selling sites because it rakes them in money, right? Go ahead and look it up. They see it as perfectly fine and normal, not caring about how the practices are.
And yes, cards aren't just taken from this game. People get their cards stolen when they go to a friggin STORE by clerks who write down the info when the cards are taken to the back. Or install fake devices on ATMs like a gang of Russians did so they could read the card data and use the camera to get pin numbers.
This has gone on for a long long time. Don't be surprised if such things are funded by people and groups trade card numbers between them for cash. It's a lucrative business with innocents taking the fall.NA Megaserver / RPer
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Reenlister✭✭✭No. I du no think I ll be going to the dreaded WoW forum.
Does not matter if they exist or are around in all games. To some extent they are yes. They wont ever go away completely.
My only gripe is they are everywhere here with free reign.
This thread is about griping about the bot issue HERE.
I am griping.
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Educate yourself about the HUNDREDS of millions of customer accounts stolen from places like Target and many, many others. The numbers of accounts RMT are creating is a drop in the ocean, and as someone already posted, this is a BILLION 'dollar' industry.Cainthelongshot wrote: »I want to know if your server has been hacked by these bot creators. I don't see how they can afford the amount of accounts that i see running around simultaneously.
The fact you've lived 45 years is no indication of your intelligence.Jim_McMasterub17_ESO wrote: »The question has been asked several times before, & moderators close the thread "Without answering"
Which is in itself an answer I've come to learn in 45+ years of living.
There is too-much money involved to ban accounts,
....& too few players in the game to show Bethesda they have produced what they were contracted to.
This = No account bans on bots.
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Saerydoth✭✭✭✭Reenlister wrote: »No. I du no think I ll be going to the dreaded WoW forum.
Does not matter if they exist or are around in all games. To some extent they are yes. They wont ever go away completely.
My only gripe is they are everywhere here with free reign.
This thread is about griping about the bot issue HERE.
I am griping.
Yes, ZOS really does need to step up their anti-bot practices, I agree. But this is not an easy fight, and there is no magic fix for it. Blizzard hasn't been able to even come close to solving it in over 10 years.1 -
Lox✭✭✭Cainthelongshot wrote: »Reenlister wrote: »I dunno lads.. It does seem to be a lot of cards...
Eh, hard to say.
All I can say is that for now, the bots have powned ESO...
( Actually they are going so far as T bagging it here to.. )
Of course it is a lot of cards. These are organized crime cartels that have existed for years, and have been harvesting credit card information for just as long. They operate in EVERY MMO (it's all the same people). A few thousand stolen credit cards is nothing to them.
Do you think when these "cartels" steal credit cards the victim just decides not to cancel it? When the card is cancelled and fraud is reported the subscription will be cancelled, thus causing that bot to no longer exsist. Sure they can take time out of their busy day of cocaine smuggling and human trafficking to steal a couple hundred credit cards, but how many of those do you think are cancelled when fraud is detected. and if they use these stolen cards for so many different things I don't see that leaving 100's of cards exclusively for the creation of an ESO account.
You would probably notice if you are vigilent, however I would suggest that there are a vast number of people who don't check. Relatively small amounts on their cards are far more likely to go un-noticed.
Individuals who are generally security conscious and monitor these types of things are still, very much in the minority in my opinion. My wife has worked as a domestic and business cleaner for well over a decade and people still regularly put credit card statements, bank statement and all sorts of other person information in their rubbish where anyone can get access to it!1 -
HandboneSoul ShrivenThe sad truth is... these guys wouldn't be in business if people didn't buy their products. If you are foolish and pathetic enough to buy anything from these criminals then you deserve whatever you get.1
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Reenlister✭✭✭
Educate yourself about the HUNDREDS of millions of customer accounts stolen from places like Target and many, many others. The numbers of accounts RMT are creating is a drop in the ocean, and as someone already posted, this is a BILLION 'dollar' industry.Cainthelongshot wrote: »I want to know if your server has been hacked by these bot creators. I don't see how they can afford the amount of accounts that i see running around simultaneously.
The fact you've lived 45 years is no indication of your intelligence.Jim_McMasterub17_ESO wrote: »The question has been asked several times before, & moderators close the thread "Without answering"
Which is in itself an answer I've come to learn in 45+ years of living.
There is too-much money involved to ban accounts,
....& too few players in the game to show Bethesda they have produced what they were contracted to.
This = No account bans on bots.
No age does not grant intelligence.
It does grant some experience.
After reflecting a moment on this post, the old adage comes to mind.
If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it aint no chicken...
Sure is a lot of money to made on them accounts when you pause and think on it.
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Niliu✭✭✭I believe most of them are the guys running fake site like wow battle.net asking for your cc informations, smart people don't realize they are on a fake site and give them the cc informations for free..
Smart people don't realize they're on a fake site? No... Daft people don't realize.
Really, I'd say a lot of these gold spammers send people to their site, you "pay" for in-game gold, and the criminals log your credit card info, then use said info to create accounts.Gimme back my sweetroll or so help me0 -
CainthelongshotSoul Shriveni just dont see videos on youtube with ESO magnitude bot trains in other mmos, like wow, swtor, or even GW2(which was known for a huge bot problem at launch). It just seems to be logical that there could be some server integrity issues that could be the cause of all these bots, especially with the megaserver they are implementing. teleporting to harvesting nodes, showing up the the dozens in the hollow city in coldharbour at lvl in soul shriven gear. But maybe its just those damn triads and sweatshops.0
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Experience is a relative term.Reenlister wrote: »No age does not grant intelligence.
It does grant some experience.
After reflecting a moment on this post, the old adage comes to mind.
If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it aint no chicken...
A stupid person living 45 years will experience the same problems again and again.
A smart person living 45 years will experience new and possibly more troubling problems.
As Terry Pratchett observed in one of his books "just because someone has been lucky enough to survive to old age, doesn't mean they know squat".
edit~ not saying that @Jim_McMasterub17_ESO is daft, just reconfirming age does mean anything, or at least that's what my 40 years say (this month sadly)
Edited by AlexDougherty on May 13, 2014 5:21PMPeople believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
Wizard's first rule
Passion rules reason
Wizard's third rule
Mind what people Do, not what they say, for actions betray a lie.
Wizard's fifth rule
Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self
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isengrimb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭I also wonder about outsourced utility company cs depts. The last time I was in a house, the gas company I was with decided to move its customer service from Calgary to China; they would, at least, inform you that you were talking to a person in China.
"Do you still want to give your account information?"
"Hell, no, I'll figure it out for myself."
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ChairGraveyard✭✭✭✭There are more stolen CC numbers than you can imagine OP, and far more than the amount of bots in this game or their accounts.
Target/Neiman Marcus recently had a breach of 40 MILLION credit card numbers over a period of months, and that's just one case.
So yeah, the botters definitely have what amounts to an endless, cheap supply of stolen CC numbers, with which to make accounts.
Also FYI to some people who may think otherwise, stolen CCs buying accounts *costs ZOS money!* Chargebacks cost the merchant (ZOS) money, and chargebacks inevitably happen to these botter cards at some point.0 -
Reenlister✭✭✭AlexDougherty wrote: »A stupid person living 45 years will experience the same problems again and again.
A smart person living 45 years will experience new and possibly more troubling problems.
As Terry Pratchett observed in one of his books "just because someone has been lucky enough to survive to old age, doesn't mean they know squat".
LOL Touche.
Good recall on him by the way!
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Vordar✭✭These botters and gold sellers swing with the trend. They most likely fly to Wildstar really soon, sure we will still have our share but not in the amount as we see now.0 -
Saerydoth✭✭✭✭These botters and gold sellers swing with the trend. They most likely fly to Wildstar really soon, sure we will still have our share but not in the amount as we see now.
Unfortunately bots are not physical people. They already operate bots in MANY MANY games. I doubt one more will cause much impact. The bots don't have to "leave" ESO to start botting in Wildstar too.0 -
ijRoberts✭✭✭Hoping that other games like WildStar will produce more gold buyers and therefor a bigger reason for them to move over there.0
