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The farming bots are griefing the hell out of every legit player...

Reykice
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They are harvesting every node in low level areas making it so new players(i`m leveling an alt) can see from the first levels how the bots are teleporting all over the place harvesting everything. As soon as a node spawns it gets harvested... over and over.

This is pure griefing as normal players have no way to compete with 1000 bots running scripts and moving through mountains...

I like this game and i was really hoping you can get things in order but unless you remove the bots harassing me i will no longer sub as i can not compete with every hacker out there, it should be your job to stop them.

I`m also a bit amazed as they are doing it all in PLAIN SIGHT... not even bothering to hide... in other games they hide as well as they can and you never see so many of them but here its like they know you are unable to do anything.

It should be a priority for you to get them out as they are humiliating you every time they go through a mountain to steal a node from an unsuspecting legitimate player. They are showing that they are the real power here, not you... sad to see the game in this state after more than one month since this was reported.
  • coryevans_3b14_ESO
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    I don't see the problem you are describing at all. I have just rolled an alt a week ago after getting to v4 on my main and through to the 2nd zone I have sold off multiple stacks of materials of all kinds, after using a bunch already for my own use. That's not to say it doesn't exist. I just don't see it.
  • AlexDougherty
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    I do, on some maps certain types of node are very absent,in stonefields I can get two types of rune (aspect and essence) but the third type (potency), I can't find at all. I repeat AT ALL.

    Other mats have been varying, sometimes there are loads of metal, wood, and jute nodes, sometimes not so many. But no potency runes for love nor money.
    People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
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  • Reykice
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    I could make screen shots or record it but they have this thing where they remove them for naming and shaming... apparently shaming a bot, a script... is not allowed.

    It started recently i made the alt today and went on with leveling wondering why except runes, every ore/plant node i used to see was gone... they i saw a few vanishing from in front of me but nobody was harvesting them... after that i realized that the bots harvesting them were under the map. I have seen so many in the past 2 hours i logged out and will try to get a refund for my remaining 6 months as i just can`t take it if they want the bots they can have but not at the same time as us legit players.
  • redwoodtreesprite
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    It gets to the levels of absurdity in parts of some early areas. And there are multiple sellers competing with each other in them, using different hack programs. I don't even bother in areas like Stros Mikai (sp). And in others it is a struggle to get resources. Problem is, we need more armor materials than we should because the high decay rate and expense of repair. Usually one level and I have to replace all my armor. Sometimes it takes longer to collect the ore I need than the time in adventuring for the armor to wear down. Mainly because of the bots.

    And they are creepy, like ghost things moving through the ground at high speeds. And I have also seen the same ones days after I reported them.

    I feel like I am playing a game owned by gold sellers sometimes.... :(
    Edited by redwoodtreesprite on May 13, 2014 4:41PM
  • epoling
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    I guess mileage varies by player. I have yet to have a harvesting node stolen from me. Of course, I am picky and only harvest what that character can use, inventory being what it is. So your blanket statement of "every legit player" is inaccurate.
  • Jim_McMasterub17_ESO
    I love the "I don't see any problem like you do..." posts...

    I find them...hard to believe in fact. especially knowing what draws people to this forum to begin with.
  • steveb16_ESO46
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    I feel like I am play a game owned by gold sellers sometimes.... :(

    Agreed. I have never seen a bot problem like this. But then again I've never seen a game so perfectly designed so as to leave itself so wide open either.
  • Reykice
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    epoling wrote: »
    I guess mileage varies by player. I have yet to have a harvesting node stolen from me. Of course, I am picky and only harvest what that character can use, inventory being what it is. So your blanket statement of "every legit player" is inaccurate.

    There are thousands of bots running under the map harvesting everything... you may have not seen one vanish but in every area you see a lot less harvesting nodes because most are instantly harvested by bots.

    I`m fairly sure every player is affected by this even if most don`t know it.

  • Origin
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    well, the source of the problem are those players that are buying from the gold sellers. How long do you think that we will see gold spammers in the game if nobody would buy from them? This is the basic market rule: as long as there will be people that are buying gold and stuff, we will have gold sellers. And considering the number of bots in the game, they have a big market here.

    Anyway, I will not cancel my subscription for the next 6 months because I trust that Zenimax will find a decent solution to this problem.
  • Seravi
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    Stros M'kai, Betnikh and Bal Foyen are covered up with path bots. Glenumbra and Deshaan are just as bad. You can sit and watch them fly through the air from node to node, go through mountains or come out of the ground, grab a node and back down they go.
  • epoling
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    Honestly, no - I have not seen nodes vanish in front of me. I am not saying it isn't happening. Only that the extent of the complaining may be exaggerated. The only reason so far I haven't gotten a node I saw was because I was less nimble than the other real person who got it before me.
  • AlexDougherty
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    epoling wrote: »
    Honestly, no - I have not seen nodes vanish in front of me. I am not saying it isn't happening. Only that the extent of the complaining may be exaggerated. The only reason so far I haven't gotten a node I saw was because I was less nimble than the other real person who got it before me.
    Lucky you.
    I can't speak for the other (just as they can't speak for me), but I haven't exaggerated one Jot.

    I have literaly seen no Potency Runes in Stonefield for the Ebonheart Pact, and I've been looking.
    People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
    Wizard's first rule
    Passion rules reason
    Wizard's third rule
    Mind what people Do, not what they say, for actions betray a lie.
    Wizard's fifth rule
    Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self
    Wizard's tenth rule
  • YourNameHere
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    First, if bots ruin your entire game, that is just .... sad. There are a TON of things to do in this game. Because they are in EVERY game in some degree. You'll never be able to play MMOs again with such an attitude (and I've played since EverQuest came out).

    Yes they are frustrating. Yes they are annoying. They are NOT game breaking (meaning just because they grabbed that jute node before you doesn't mean you can't explore, quest, RP, chat, kill bosses, loot, etc). They aren't locking your main quest out for you. They aren't stopping you from doing a dungeon with other people.

    These "fix bots now or I unsub" threads are just turning childish now, like stomping your feet cause you didn't get a candybar.

    Second, here is an add-on that I use that has helped me get bots and pinpoint areas they are in for sending reports.
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    Here is an add-on that was suggested to me by another forum user.

    I got it, and it works wonderfully.

    http://www.esoui.com/downloads/info181-FastReport.html

    If you haven't already, get the addon client used Minion: http://minion.mmoui.com/

    Then you can search there for FastReport by thelegendaryof

    Once you install that in Minion, go into TESO then go to settings. You'll need to set up the report key (I used F5 in the key bindings).

    So when you hover over someone, it will save the last name you captured, even if they disappear quickly. Hitting the key you chose for the report will bring up two windows, as shown in the screenshot http://cdn.eso.mmoui.com/preview/pvw554.jpg

    Highlight and CTRL + C the information on the left hand window into the report window on the right hand side, then fill in the rest of what you saw, making sure to click from the drop down menu.

    Hope this helps!
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  • Seravi
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    20 in Deshaan quarantined area.
    Edited by Seravi on May 13, 2014 5:35PM
  • Reykice
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    You can`t stop the bots that are running scripts for everything by removing them manually... they need an automated system or things will get worse and worse, no way GM`s can delete characters faster than their automated system creates new ones....
  • KerinKor
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    epoling wrote: »
    Honestly, no - I have not seen nodes vanish in front of me. I am not saying it isn't happening. Only that the extent of the complaining may be exaggerated.
    LOL, imitating an ostrich doesn't make it not so.

  • Worstluck
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    I leveled really quickly and got to vet content before I saw a lot of the botting problems. I started an alt last week and oh boy is it bad. I've played MMO's for a long time and I've not seen the sheer audacity that these bots/scripts/hacks have. I don't believe that there is any inherent anti-cheat system in place, because I just see teleporting, flying, noclipping players all over the place in the lower levels. It's just nuts. I've seen tons of bots in games and all kinds of cheats through the years, but nothing this bad. There doesn't appear to be any system in place to look for abnormal speeds server side or altered game files locally. In the starter areas, just run around for a bit and look for resource nodes and watch them disappear before you can even click on them.

    I don't even bother reporting them anymore, as it doesn't seem to be stemming the problem and it's a waste of my game time (I've reported hundreds to no avail). I do cause some havoc by getting them killed or just messing up their loop scripts, but they are just like weeds and keep coming back. ZOS just don't have the manpower to deal with them like an anti-cheat program can.
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    ―Madanach
    Elfluck - Dunmer Dragonknight "When I will walk the earth again, the Faithful among you shall receive your reward: to be set above all other mortals forever. As for the rest: the weak shall be winnowed: the timid shall be cast down: the mighty shall tremble at my feet and pray for pardon."
    ―Mehrunes Dagon
    Deadluck -Imperial Templar "Men are but flesh and blood. They know their doom, but not the hour"
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  • epoling
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    Not imitating an ostrich. The OP's hyerbole is that it is negatively affecting every legit players. Not affecting me, my wife or people I am usually playing with. Therefore, It is not EVERY legit player. Whether none of us are experiencing it, seeing it or whatever, it is not "griefing the hell" out of us.
  • Omnee
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    I am just sad because for the past 4 days every crate, barrel and chest I search is Empty =( oh and the bots can run faster than me...oh well
  • babylon
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    Omnee wrote: »
    I am just sad because for the past 4 days every crate, barrel and chest I search is Empty =( oh and the bots can run faster than me...oh well

    That's because they nerfed all the container loot because of the bots...so now legit players can't get nice things.
  • thorntk421
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    In the last few days I have noticed a lot more bots in the open world areas but, less now in dungeons. Guess they changed tactics since GM's were booting them out of dungeons.
    And, yes I have had a node vanish on me many times. At least once a play session. Now, I don't know if this is from bots or another player in a different instance?
    Honestly, for me the bots are ruining the game. It sucks to go into a quest area and find a10 bot train killing all the quest mobs over and over.
    I spent 45 min a couple days ago killing 2 bots that were farming a jute node that was infinitely spawning. It was kinda futile cause they would just rez right back at same spot and keep farming! After about 20 mins of killing them another bot showed up that was almost totally underground with just his head sticking above ground. And, he was unkillable!
    I'm really liking this game but, if the bot farming stays at this level I don't know how much longer I'm gonna stick around.
  • radiostar
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    The ones I noticed and reported yesterday seemed to leave the Rune boxes and Treasure Chests alone, but speed/invisiport directly to ore and plant nodes. I try to screenshot some but they move too fast or disappear.
    "Billions upon Billions of Stars"
  • Enundr
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    ok in regards to the people complaining about this affecting gear for crafting......deconstruct stuff constantly , you can level your crafts up enough to keep them in a generally good pace till you get to a not too heavy bot zone , the only ones that you wont be able to do this are enchanting , alchemy and provision (provision being super easy to lvl to begin with) , enchanting is the one that suffers the most here due to the need of the 3 types of runs , potency either being just about extremely rare to find when i can find the gold(legendary) quality type of rune almost consistantly , either the bots are getting all the potency runes or theres a lack of them spawning due to 3 diff types of runes. prob needs to redesign enchanting imo , but again just salvage gear constantly to lvl up your craft .
  • Drachenfier
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    The last game I saw with a bot infestation as bad as this one at release was Aion. In Rift, GW2, SWToR I rarely if ever saw a bot...just the occasional gold spammer. But this game ranks up there with Aion and Lineage 2 for bot problems.

    It's much worse now, too, than it was a couple weeks ago. I recently made a new alt in Daggerfall (leveled up my other three in EP) and they are everywhere...everywhere. Running through the sky, sliding through the ground, training in circuits through densely populated mob areas...it is completely unbelievable. I don't think I saw this many bots in Aion, come to think of it.
    radiostar wrote: »
    The ones I noticed and reported yesterday seemed to leave the Rune boxes and Treasure Chests alone, but speed/invisiport directly to ore and plant nodes. I try to screenshot some but they move too fast or disappear.

    That just goes to show how messed up enchanting is. Even the bots don't bother with the enchanting nodes.
    Edited by Drachenfier on May 13, 2014 6:52PM
  • Enundr
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    i remember those bots in Aion Drach , it was sorta crazy cause they would be just outside town farming regular mobs (nothing too special about them , some of them were actually quest mobs i believe) .
  • Drachenfier
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    Enundr wrote: »
    i remember those bots in Aion Drach , it was sorta crazy cause they would be just outside town farming regular mobs (nothing too special about them , some of them were actually quest mobs i believe) .

    Yep, but that was an NCSoft game, and everyone for years now has just assumed that NCSoft is in bed with some of the major gold farming companies...in Lineage 2 they even made PK adjustments that favored the bots, by further punishing players that killed them. Now, the sad part is, that Aion is now #3 on my most bot infested game list of those I've played.
    Edited by Drachenfier on May 13, 2014 6:55PM
  • aufischb16_ESO
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    I didn't see many bots with my main char because I think I leveled up quite fast and quickly was ahead of the bots.
    Now with my second char it is just a game killer. Throngs of bots everywhere in Deshaan and Shadowfen killing off mobs so fast that it has become a "get the quest - run through an empty area to get an item - run back through the again empty area to the quest giver - cross again the empty area to get to the boss (off course by then your ultimate has expired) - game in certain areas.
  • karstenb16_ESO7
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    The bot plague has gotten to the point where I lost all motivation to play. They're everywhere. I can't count the number I've reported. So many people are saying the same, they've reported countless bots. Yet it's getting worse every day. I am so tired of seeing that crap going on left and right. I regret having subscribed.

    To the people who buy gold for real money, I've got this to say: you're pathetic.
    Edited by karstenb16_ESO7 on May 13, 2014 7:00PM
  • Worstluck
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    Aye, Aion was the last game I played that had these problems at launch. The gold spam was even worse in that game if I remember. Though with the bots and hacks, I've never seen anything like this in a game before. Even Warhammer Online had some kind of anti-cheat program (although it didn't work too well, better than nothing) that could catch speed hacks. I honestly believe that there is no system in place for this game to prevent alteration of game files, third party software interaction, etc, as it wouldn't be possible for them to teleport, noclip and levitate around to this extent if there was. I have no desire to try but I wonder if autohotkey works with this game...would not surprise me if it did.
    Worstluck - Breton Nightblade "Some of us refused to bow. We knew the old ways would lead us back to having a kingdom of our own."
    ―Madanach
    Elfluck - Dunmer Dragonknight "When I will walk the earth again, the Faithful among you shall receive your reward: to be set above all other mortals forever. As for the rest: the weak shall be winnowed: the timid shall be cast down: the mighty shall tremble at my feet and pray for pardon."
    ―Mehrunes Dagon
    Deadluck -Imperial Templar "Men are but flesh and blood. They know their doom, but not the hour"
    ―Uriel Septim

    Daggerfall Covenant
  • aufischb16_ESO
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    To the people who buy gold for real money, I've got this to say: you're pathetic.

    I second that anytime.
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