Why the change? (Elven hero 10 year costume)

Mik195 · January 22

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

JemadarofCaerSalis wrote: »

Syldras wrote: »

As an individual, who happens to be gay but doesn't think this plays any role when it comes to clothing in the real world or in ESO, I value freedom very much - just like many other people.

In my opinion, everyone should be able to wear whatever they want, no matter who they are. Same goes for characters in this game. This is the reason I favor giving people options.

I like that ESO mostly has no huge differences in male and female armor, unlike some other games where the male versions are super bulky, which is something I personally dislike.

Still, I personally don't want my male main to run around wearing a leather bra (or any other bra), which makes all costumes and styles where there is no other option completely useless for me. If people like costumes with bras for their character of whatever gender, fine, but for me, it doesn't fit the idea I have of my character (although in case of this costume, it doesn't really matter anyway, because the "cloak" looks like a torn washcloth to me, which is another thing that doesn't exactly fit the idea I have of what my character would prefer to wear).

So, yes, having an alternative, not character-gender-restricted, option for costumes that are very distinctively designed for one sex, like having a bra, would be nice. So everyone could just choose the one they like better.

As a woman, I always liked that the Elder Scrolls weren't as bad as most of the other games of the same times, and that there weren't huge differences between the sexes regarding armor.

I also completely agree that I love freedom of choice and would love it if there were ways to hide parts of the armor, or, as you said, alternative versions of styles/armor that were designed with one sex clearly in mind.

Give me more choices!

More choices is all I want. For costumes that zos has sold for 30 to 50 usd you would think we get a lot of customization from them.

I'm perfectly fine with motifs that may be skimpier than I'd use, but for purchased costumes or rewards like the Seducer/Saint costume, multiple options shouldn't be too much to ask.

TaSheen · January 22

*shrug* I grew up in the 50s and 60s, reading most everything out there in fantasy and sci fi. The art and so on never bothered me - I was just involved in the stories.

Not to mention I grew up in Vegas.... skimpy.... yeah. Way of life.

sans-culottes · January 23

I don’t think you had bad intentions—not that you care what I think.

Anyway! How about that cape? It’s a shame you can’t dye it.

Avran_Sylt · January 23

rrbreezy wrote: »

I don’t think you had bad intentions—not that you care what I think.

Anyway! How about that cape? It’s a shame you can’t dye it.

lol, course it's important not to let what others think dictate your actions too much, but it's a forum where discussions are had, ideas are shared, as well as knowledge!

But yeah, it's odd that the cape isn't dyeable. you'd think it'd be at least tied to the channel for the "under-arms"? section (ideally mostly matching the color).

sans-culottes · January 23

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

rrbreezy wrote: »

I don’t think you had bad intentions—not that you care what I think.

Anyway! How about that cape? It’s a shame you can’t dye it.

lol, course it's important not to let what others think dictate your actions too much, but it's a forum where discussions are had, ideas are shared, as well as knowledge!

But yeah, it's odd that the cape isn't dyeable. you'd think it'd be at least tied to the channel for the "under-arms"? section (ideally mostly matching the color).

Right? It’s a missed opportunity, especially since capes of any kind are basically nonexistent.

Whizzinglane · January 23

Well "chest hair," for one, could be the reason why there is only one model. Don't you want to showcase your masculinity?

Joke aside, though, we do need a male and a female body type model for this one.

Edit: typo

ZOS_GregoryV · January 23

Greetings all,

After removing some posts for being off-topic, we ask that all comments moving forward stay focused on the discussion at hand, please.

Regards,
-Greg-

Elvenheart · January 23

spartaxoxo wrote: »

rrbreezy wrote: »

That’s just, like, your opinion, man. Anyway, I’m delighted for you that you find this somehow empowering. That doesn’t change the history of cheesy, objectifying fantasy art (e.g., the 1980s).

Elder Scrolls Online promo art of the three heroes vs Elder Scrolls Arena box art is a good example of what you mean.

Omg, what IS that middle character wearing on the Arena cover? It looks 30 sizes too small! 🤣

Syldras · January 23

Elvenheart wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

rrbreezy wrote: »

That’s just, like, your opinion, man. Anyway, I’m delighted for you that you find this somehow empowering. That doesn’t change the history of cheesy, objectifying fantasy art (e.g., the 1980s).

Elder Scrolls Online promo art of the three heroes vs Elder Scrolls Arena box art is a good example of what you mean.

Omg, what IS that middle character wearing on the Arena cover?

Censor bars.

Avran_Sylt · January 23

rrbreezy wrote: »

TaSheen wrote: »

rrbreezy wrote: »

TaSheen wrote: »

It's a game set in an intrinsically magickal world - you don't have to worry about armor if you don't want to (aside from the fact that not all slots can be hidden, which does really pinch the attitude, I guess).

I'd kind of like to have a fem warrior go into battle naked except for woad (though that theory seems to have been debunked at this point).

So why does plate mail exist? In case it wasn’t clear, I was commenting on the often rather sexist implementation of skimpy, revealing armor for women—a frequent trope in fantasy media.

Excuse me. I'm a woman. Older at that (yes, SS and Medicare "older"). I don't find the "trope" sexist; in fact, I absolutely LOVE the Scorianite "battle bra", as well as the other options similar. I have various girls in Fang Lair and Scorianite - not Dark Shaman though because I'm not fond of long skirts.

Plate mail exists because it's always been three (or more) kinds of armor in fantasy games. *shrug*

That’s just, like, your opinion, man. Anyway, I’m delighted for you that you find this somehow empowering. That doesn’t change the history of cheesy, objectifying fantasy art (e.g., the 1980s).

Hmm, what's your thought on near-total androgynous designs where the concept of man or woman are strugglingly hard to decipher?

Perhaps in such a direction we could eliminate that kind of sexualization.

Therefore all characters being subject to total interpretation, and ultimately maximum player choice.

davidtk · January 23

When I read some opinions here I wonder if it wouldn't be better to have "characters" of neutral color, neutral shape so that it doesn't offend anyone, the same goes for outfits, because what one likes doesn't like the other and there will never be a compromise.

And if someone here is bothered that the outfits are unisex when the guy is wearing a bra, wouldn't it be better to call for the option to have both versions available by changing the option in the settings or when choosing the outfit? Something like a checkbox on the outfit icon? (What is your opinion on this option? Having a choice in outfit/costume? @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Kevin @ZOS_JessicaFolsom)
I'd quite like to have what's pictured:

With bra for women and for men without. Anyway, not to offend anyone, so of course with what I wrote, both versions available. Just tick the option for the outfit.

sans-culottes · January 23

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

rrbreezy wrote: »

TaSheen wrote: »

rrbreezy wrote: »

TaSheen wrote: »

It's a game set in an intrinsically magickal world - you don't have to worry about armor if you don't want to (aside from the fact that not all slots can be hidden, which does really pinch the attitude, I guess).

I'd kind of like to have a fem warrior go into battle naked except for woad (though that theory seems to have been debunked at this point).

So why does plate mail exist? In case it wasn’t clear, I was commenting on the often rather sexist implementation of skimpy, revealing armor for women—a frequent trope in fantasy media.

Excuse me. I'm a woman. Older at that (yes, SS and Medicare "older"). I don't find the "trope" sexist; in fact, I absolutely LOVE the Scorianite "battle bra", as well as the other options similar. I have various girls in Fang Lair and Scorianite - not Dark Shaman though because I'm not fond of long skirts.

Plate mail exists because it's always been three (or more) kinds of armor in fantasy games. *shrug*

That’s just, like, your opinion, man. Anyway, I’m delighted for you that you find this somehow empowering. That doesn’t change the history of cheesy, objectifying fantasy art (e.g., the 1980s).

Hmm, what's your thought on near-total androgynous designs where the concept of man or woman are strugglingly hard to decipher?

Perhaps in such a direction we could eliminate that kind of sexualization.

Therefore all characters being subject to total interpretation, and ultimately maximum player choice.

I loved David Bowie. But I don’t know that everyone else would celebrate this.

Anumaril · January 23

I was super disappointed by this as well. The costume looks amazing on women, and the old costume looked okay on men, but never to the point I used it. But this new high-res version got me excited to use it on my male character. And then... the breast panel... Why?

I get they put aside the design philosophy of making clothes adapt to gender, but this is a Hero costume you'd expect a lot of players will want to wear. It's not some random costume added to a Crown Crate. At least give us alternative costume variants it if it means so much to have the breast panel.

Avoriaa · January 23

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

rrbreezy wrote: »

TaSheen wrote: »

rrbreezy wrote: »

TaSheen wrote: »

It's a game set in an intrinsically magickal world - you don't have to worry about armor if you don't want to (aside from the fact that not all slots can be hidden, which does really pinch the attitude, I guess).

I'd kind of like to have a fem warrior go into battle naked except for woad (though that theory seems to have been debunked at this point).

So why does plate mail exist? In case it wasn’t clear, I was commenting on the often rather sexist implementation of skimpy, revealing armor for women—a frequent trope in fantasy media.

Excuse me. I'm a woman. Older at that (yes, SS and Medicare "older"). I don't find the "trope" sexist; in fact, I absolutely LOVE the Scorianite "battle bra", as well as the other options similar. I have various girls in Fang Lair and Scorianite - not Dark Shaman though because I'm not fond of long skirts.

Plate mail exists because it's always been three (or more) kinds of armor in fantasy games. *shrug*

That’s just, like, your opinion, man. Anyway, I’m delighted for you that you find this somehow empowering. That doesn’t change the history of cheesy, objectifying fantasy art (e.g., the 1980s).

Hmm, what's your thought on near-total androgynous designs where the concept of man or woman are strugglingly hard to decipher?

Perhaps in such a direction we could eliminate that kind of sexualization.

Therefore all characters being subject to total interpretation, and ultimately maximum player choice.

Yes, I do think all games should be Animal Crossing and I'm tired of pretending I don't. 🤡

Avran_Sylt · January 23

Y'know, looking at the design, I'm surprised (well not really) they didn't make a "male" version (useable between women/men with some kind of toggle) without the breast window, but removing the white "sleeves" to show off the interior arm muscles with a few leather straps holding the exterior black leather-looking stuff. (and then probably putting the color channel that would be made useless on the cape)

Idinuse · January 26

RebornV3x wrote: »

I wish they would have fixed the costume the in game costume has the inner thigh area covered and in ALL official media that area is skin. such a nice costume but it such a glaring issue I just can't

So much this. I fail to se any sort of viable reason for that part of the costume not to be skin. Especially considering the skimpy costumes already around many seem to prefer.

It is nothing short of an insult.

This should also be very easy to fix.

Soarora · January 29

Idinuse wrote: »

RebornV3x wrote: »

I wish they would have fixed the costume the in game costume has the inner thigh area covered and in ALL official media that area is skin. such a nice costume but it such a glaring issue I just can't

So much this. I fail to se any sort of viable reason for that part of the costume not to be skin. Especially considering the skimpy costumes already around many seem to prefer.

It is nothing short of an insult.

This should also be very easy to fix.

I guess the discussion got deleted, but someone showed an image of the elven hero as she is in the Summerset cinematic trailer, to which I pointed out that she's actually fully covered there. So, no not every official media shows her upper thigh revealed. That said, it is uncovered again in the High Isle cinematic.

spartaxoxo · January 29

Soarora wrote: »

I guess the discussion got deleted, but someone showed an image of the elven hero as she is in the Summerset cinematic trailer, to which I pointed out that she's actually fully covered there. So, no not every official media shows her upper thigh revealed. That said, it is uncovered again in the High Isle cinematic.

Here's screenshots from that trailer.

Edit they also once sold a statue with this version of the outfit. I don't think it's actually available anymore but it was at one point.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/134077/official-discussion-thread-for-heroes-of-tamriel-statue-high-elf

https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Merchandise:The_Elder_Scrolls_Online:_Heroes_of_Tamriel_-_The_High_Elf_Statue