Thoroughly Unbalanced BGs

Necrotech_Master · January 15

sshogrin wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

sshogrin wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

sshogrin wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

BGs are sometimes unbalanced for sure, but not every match is like that

the current 8v8 format is worlds more enjoyable than the 4v4v4 format

75% of the time doing 4v4v4 it felt like it was more 4v8 and you were always getting squashed

not every match in 8v8 or 4v4v4 was balanced, but it feels a lot better playing 8v8

Pretty much every 8v8 I queue into is completely unbalanced, I have yet to queue into one that's a good fight. It's not "sometimes", it's 99% currently for me. Worse yet is the people that queue in and just stand there expecting to be carried and go AFK, or people that just simply don't try. Then you have the others that leave the team quick and leave you a person down.

yeah ive seen a few of those, and i agree it sucks, but thats not the game mode thats the players which are a problem

theres been a few matches i been in over the past couple weeks that have been extremely close (actually in 1 case had a legitimate tie where both teams ended with the same score)

i usually been doing an avg of 3-6 matches a day for the past like 4 weeks (i just got my 30th battlemaster token yesterday) so ive seen a the entire spectrum of matches (the "your teams getting curbstomped", the "your team is curbstomping", and the "close matches that could end either way")

I've been doing a bunch of them daily myself over the last 3 weeks...I have yet to get into a close match. It's so thoroughly lopsided in every match I get in.
I can tell when the other team is a premade group, they work way too well together. I was in a Relic today, only 1 person defending the relic, the other 7 were fighting over by our relic, in nothing flat, all 7 of them were back at their relic and killed me. The map we were in had no possibility of them seeing me over there...that was the other team in voice, and considering that was the 3rd solo queue I did in a row going up against the same 8 people on the other team...you can't tell me they weren't a premade group. If you want to try and tell me that, you're only lying to yourself.

solo queue is well solo, there are no premade groups lol, doesnt mean that people arent in coms already if they know each other or in the same guilds and just queueing for the BGs, but i find that unlikely

there definitely isnt that many people queueing for BGs, usually when im queueing for them, i tend to most of the time see the same like 6ish names show up several times, but not always on the same teams, and this will continue for several matches before i get a match with like 80% fresh names

the character im queueing in is not even optimized or built for pvp (its a trial healer setup sorc using spc/pillager/symphony of blades) and 80% of the time im usually in the top 3 of our team for score, or at least the only one providing significant amounts of healing lol

there are some days where i get 3 wins out of 4 matches, and other days where im lucky to get 1 win out of 6 matches, sometimes just have those bad days where its hard to get a good team

3 BGs today against the same exact 8 players...that's not a coincidence. Especially when that team just dominates and wins 500-0. If I'm getting stuck into a crap group that often going up against the same exact 8 players, that's a premade team, you can lie to yourself all you want, but if BG solo queues were doing things correctly, then the same exact 8 players wouldn't get put on the same team 3 times in a row. If you think otherwise you're a fool.

ive never seen the exact same players get put on the same time any times in a row, and ive done ~130 BG matches in the past month

even days ive had to do upwards 6-8 matches to get 3 wins i still never saw the entire same exact enemy team lineup, sure its highly likely some of the same people end up on the same team, especially with the quantity of players in the BG queues being pretty low to begin with

usually the most same people i saw on a team was about 4, but the same happened to my team too

seeing the same people on the same teams means theres not a lot of people in the queues to begin with

believing the game is intentionally stacked against you and the extremely unlikely chance the enemy team was identical 3x in a row in a solo queue is almost hyperbolic exaggeration

sshogrin · January 15

Jierdanit wrote: »

sshogrin wrote:

Thumbless_Bot wrote: »

SerafinaWaterstar wrote: »

Hardly anyone I know does BGs unless there is a reason (endeavour/pursuit/token for bear).

I personally dislike them intensely - they are, and have generally always been, awful.

I did quite like the idea of the different objectives, such as capture the relic etc, but when other players don’t care & treat every damn match as a death match, it get tedious very fast.

I agree what has been said about matching, as it does seem to be way out of whack, and one side always seems to be disadvantaged. Always.

Every match is death match. It has to be and it should be. These are BATTLEgrounds, not steeplechase, not a mud run, not an obstacle course, battlegrounds. I see nothing wrong with this.

If the BG is "Deathmatch" then fine, but if it's Capture the Relic, Chaos Ball, etc., then no...it shouldn't just turn into death match. Some of us would like to do the objective. If all you want is death match, then queue in specifically to death match, if it's not a death match weekend, then don't queue into BGs at all, go to Cyrodiil and get in combat.
Not every BG is "death match" as you are trying to assert. It doesn't "have to be and should be" when there is a different objective. I've wasted so much time trying to do the objective and get a win when the other 7 in my group are playing death match and not caring about winning. Leaving the group and getting the queue cool down isn't the answer either if the rest of my team can't understand what BG we're in. If you don't understand the objective in BGs, then maybe you shouldn't queue for BGs. There are more games in BGs that what you think. Don't waste my time if you're think that every BG is a death match, don't queue anymore until you understand what BGs are.

If 7 people in your group want to play Deathmatch then maybe they are not the problem?

No, they are absolutely the problem. If the BG isn't "Deathmatch", then you shouldn't try to treat the BG as 'Deathmatch", you should do the objective of the BG that you got queued in to. I shouldn't have my time wasted because the other people in my group aren't paying attention to what BG they got queued in to, I shouldn't have to leave the BG and get hit with a queue cooldown because the other people in my group aren't paying attention to what BG we're in.
What part of this don't people understand? If you don't want to do the BG that you queued in to, then leave the BG, deal with the cooldown and re-queue until you get "Deathmatch". This would be like going to Vegas and sitting down at a Black Jack table and expecting the dealer to play poker instead of Black Jack.

sshogrin · January 15

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

sshogrin wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

sshogrin wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

sshogrin wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

BGs are sometimes unbalanced for sure, but not every match is like that

the current 8v8 format is worlds more enjoyable than the 4v4v4 format

75% of the time doing 4v4v4 it felt like it was more 4v8 and you were always getting squashed

not every match in 8v8 or 4v4v4 was balanced, but it feels a lot better playing 8v8

Pretty much every 8v8 I queue into is completely unbalanced, I have yet to queue into one that's a good fight. It's not "sometimes", it's 99% currently for me. Worse yet is the people that queue in and just stand there expecting to be carried and go AFK, or people that just simply don't try. Then you have the others that leave the team quick and leave you a person down.

yeah ive seen a few of those, and i agree it sucks, but thats not the game mode thats the players which are a problem

theres been a few matches i been in over the past couple weeks that have been extremely close (actually in 1 case had a legitimate tie where both teams ended with the same score)

i usually been doing an avg of 3-6 matches a day for the past like 4 weeks (i just got my 30th battlemaster token yesterday) so ive seen a the entire spectrum of matches (the "your teams getting curbstomped", the "your team is curbstomping", and the "close matches that could end either way")

I've been doing a bunch of them daily myself over the last 3 weeks...I have yet to get into a close match. It's so thoroughly lopsided in every match I get in.
I can tell when the other team is a premade group, they work way too well together. I was in a Relic today, only 1 person defending the relic, the other 7 were fighting over by our relic, in nothing flat, all 7 of them were back at their relic and killed me. The map we were in had no possibility of them seeing me over there...that was the other team in voice, and considering that was the 3rd solo queue I did in a row going up against the same 8 people on the other team...you can't tell me they weren't a premade group. If you want to try and tell me that, you're only lying to yourself.

solo queue is well solo, there are no premade groups lol, doesnt mean that people arent in coms already if they know each other or in the same guilds and just queueing for the BGs, but i find that unlikely

there definitely isnt that many people queueing for BGs, usually when im queueing for them, i tend to most of the time see the same like 6ish names show up several times, but not always on the same teams, and this will continue for several matches before i get a match with like 80% fresh names

the character im queueing in is not even optimized or built for pvp (its a trial healer setup sorc using spc/pillager/symphony of blades) and 80% of the time im usually in the top 3 of our team for score, or at least the only one providing significant amounts of healing lol

there are some days where i get 3 wins out of 4 matches, and other days where im lucky to get 1 win out of 6 matches, sometimes just have those bad days where its hard to get a good team

3 BGs today against the same exact 8 players...that's not a coincidence. Especially when that team just dominates and wins 500-0. If I'm getting stuck into a crap group that often going up against the same exact 8 players, that's a premade team, you can lie to yourself all you want, but if BG solo queues were doing things correctly, then the same exact 8 players wouldn't get put on the same team 3 times in a row. If you think otherwise you're a fool.

ive never seen the exact same players get put on the same time any times in a row, and ive done ~130 BG matches in the past month

even days ive had to do upwards 6-8 matches to get 3 wins i still never saw the entire same exact enemy team lineup, sure its highly likely some of the same people end up on the same team, especially with the quantity of players in the BG queues being pretty low to begin with

usually the most same people i saw on a team was about 4, but the same happened to my team too

seeing the same people on the same teams means theres not a lot of people in the queues to begin with

believing the game is intentionally stacked against you and the extremely unlikely chance the enemy team was identical 3x in a row in a solo queue is almost hyperbolic exaggeration

Not an exaggeration, a couple other people on my team noticed the same thing. We were on a team together for a BG right before. I noticed and put in to chat it's the same exact team.

Maybe the reason there aren't that many people queueing is because BGs have become so bad now, and this is happening. It's probably the same reason that pre-made groups are getting put in with solo queues.

Thumbless_Bot · January 15

sshogrin wrote: »

Thumbless_Bot wrote: »

SerafinaWaterstar wrote: »

Hardly anyone I know does BGs unless there is a reason (endeavour/pursuit/token for bear).

I personally dislike them intensely - they are, and have generally always been, awful.

I did quite like the idea of the different objectives, such as capture the relic etc, but when other players don’t care & treat every damn match as a death match, it get tedious very fast.

I agree what has been said about matching, as it does seem to be way out of whack, and one side always seems to be disadvantaged. Always.

Every match is death match. It has to be and it should be. These are BATTLEgrounds, not steeplechase, not a mud run, not an obstacle course, battlegrounds. I see nothing wrong with this.

If the BG is "Deathmatch" then fine, but if it's Capture the Relic, Chaos Ball, etc., then no...it shouldn't just turn into death match. Some of us would like to do the objective. If all you want is death match, then queue in specifically to death match, if it's not a death match weekend, then don't queue into BGs at all, go to Cyrodiil and get in combat.
Not every BG is "death match" as you are trying to assert. It doesn't "have to be and should be" when there is a different objective. I've wasted so much time trying to do the objective and get a win when the other 7 in my group are playing death match and not caring about winning. Leaving the group and getting the queue cool down isn't the answer either if the rest of my team can't understand what BG we're in. If you don't understand the objective in BGs, then maybe you shouldn't queue for BGs. There are more games in BGs that what you think. Don't waste my time if you're think that eveG is a death match, don't queue anymore until you understand what BGs are.

My point is that, whether it is Relic, or chaos ball, or flags, the point is to kill the enemy then, THEN take the objective. If everyone stands on flags holding l2 and healing, no one wins. If it becomes a foot race to flags, it's not a battleground, it's a steeplechase.

If a few people are standing off the to side slapping each other with frags, when the winner emerges, they will take the resource or go x someone else... either way, they've prevented the opponent from taking anything by x ing them, which is still playing the objectives. Killing is the primary objective. Dead opponents can't take your relic, the chaos ball or stand on flags. Even if this is all they do, as long as they do it successfully, they are helping, because now you can take the relic or stand on the flag, without resistance, or at least with less resistance.

You should be thanking them, not admonishing them. As they say, x-in' ain't easy... especially in 4v4 with these ridiculous tank bot builds everywhere.

Urzigurumash · January 16

Healing should be hit hard with a reduction in 4v4